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A recent landmark ruling by the High Court takes the UK one step closer to becoming an “informant society” along the lines of the former East Germany or Soviet Union. El Reg previously reported on the case of deputy head, John Pinnington, who was fired from his job when an enhanced criminal record background (CRB) check turned up allegations of abuse made against him. He took his case to judicial review, arguing that the allegations were seriously flawed, were unsubstantiated, and that the police should only include them in a CRB check where there were some grounds to believe they might be true.

This view was rejected, as Lord Justice Richards ruled that there was nothing unlawful about the actions of the Police force in passing on allegations. And future employers "should be aware" of the accusations, however weak and unreliable they are. In relation to employment with children or vulnerable adults, it is information of which an employer should be aware. It is then for the employer to decide whether the employment of the person concerned involves an unacceptable risk.

Let’s be completely clear: Vulture Central has no way of knowing whether these allegations were true, false, or the deluded imaginings of politically-correct Martians.

What we do know is that police investigated and took no further action, and that at least one set of allegations was based on the controversial "facilitated communication" method of eliciting statements from children too damaged, otherwise, to speak on their own behalf. On any objective scale of evidence, they belong in the category labelled “weak”.

Although the legal reasoning is immaculate, it misses the point when it comes to how the real world operates, which is that when faced with a candidate about whom allegations have been made, employers will almost universally opt for the safe option – and not employ that individual.

For further analysis, we spoke with Chris Saltrese, the solicitor who has represented Pinnington throughout this case:

The ‘enhanced criminal record certificate’ is a consummate example or Orwellian doublespeak. Required for all who work or volunteer with children and vulnerable adults, it refers not to criminal records as such, but to untested information made available to the police.

As such it may ruin the life and livelihood of a person with no criminal record at all. Flimsy and insubstantial allegations are lent bogus respectability exciting revulsion merely by the fact that they are there to read.

For when it comes to sexual allegations in print, the power of the word is far deadlier than the facts.

When John Pinnington launched his bid to have unreliable allegations removed from his certificate, there was already case law to suggest that the threshold of disclosure was low. The statutory obligation for the police to include information ‘that might be relevant and ought to be included’ had been held to include acquittals and misconduct falling short of a criminal offence.

Mr Pinnington’s case tested the outer limit of inclusion by posing the question of whether allegations that did not attain a threshold of reasonable suspicion ought to be included.

Reasonable suspicion is a low threshold – it is that required for arrest and to trigger care proceedings in family law. It is no where near the standard of criminal prosecution, let alone conviction.

Yet the court held that the threshold should fall below reasonable suspicion. All that was required was that the allegations could not, on the untested material in possession of the police, be dismissed as necessarily untrue.

This is significant (and topical) for two reasons. John Pinnington was OK on a standard CRB check, but he fell foul of the system when he changed jobs and was asked to undergo an “enhanced” CRB check – which includes soft information of the type used here.

However, as we move from the existing system of CRB checking to the new enhanced “vetting database” – as reported in great detail by El Reg – all checks will be effectively enhanced checks.

Second, still smarting from its defeat at the hands of Max Mosley, the News of the World has been laying in to what it considers the iniquities of the developing law on privacy. In defence of its right to poke into individual private lives, it asks its readers whether they would not wish to know what their children’s teachers get up to at the weekend.

Undoubtedly many parents would, and it is this, plus the result of the Pinington case, that is likely to provide a new focus for future salacious reportage.

Last word to Mick Brookes, General Secretary of the National Association of Head Teachers: We believe this is a retrograde action that will simply put more teachers and other members of the children’s workforce in danger of malicious and false allegation at risk. We recognize absolutely the need for our schools to be safe places, but this action overturns natural justice as it appears that colleagues working in schools run the risk of being guilty by accusation. This makes professional and dedicated staff vulnerable to the ruination of careers and even lives for no substantiated reason. We would ask the High Court and the police to reconsider their position.

SOOOOOOO...... Liam, when you shatter little Mary's dreams of Jesus, she just tells the police you touched her, and you never teach again, even after it's proved to be a load of testicles.

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Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

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El Jarvo wrote: Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

I ever mentioned I used to lecture in synthesis? :eek:

As the abused become abusers.....do students become teachers?

EDIT: now HERE's one to make you lose sleep Al.....all these cnuts can countersign passport applications, being considered professional, responsible and upstanding citizens[1]....we're, I believe the saying goes, DOOOOOOOOOOOmed.

[1]How the FUCK journalist got on the list I dunno, but anytime I have to read the whole list to some poor sod who's stumped for who can do it for him, there's a barely stifled snigger at both ends of the line.

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Last week, a teacher has been charged 500€ for having slapped a kid who had said "connard" to him.

How to translate connard? Something more rude than bastard I think...

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El Jarvo wrote: Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

Go into teaching and you'll find there's a fairly high proportion of catholics, so by inference ...

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On the other hand, I have just read that teachers in Texas will be allowed to have a gun in their classes...

What a wonderful world...

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3615 Jiphy wrote:

How to translate connard? Something more rude than bastard I think...

Calling someone a duck isn't much of an insult over here, more a termof endearment. Go to Notts and they do it all the time!

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James Thomas wrote:

Go into teaching and you'll find there's a fairly high proportion of catholics,

James, if ever you have the misfortune to grace this complicated bit of Ireland, the above is as far as you need to go in 50% of company to kick off a major riot. Both lots are convinved the other lot run the whole country, have all the breaks, get everything handed to them yadda yadda.

Not saying to avoid it or anything, just have a few jars, chuck that line in, and watch apparently rational human beings descend into rabid beasts in minutes flat.....works much better in mixed company.

just something to try on a bored night in Belfast (there's another sort?).

Anyway....am I the only one here a touch worried by this sort of lawmaking?

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El Jarvo wrote: Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

Well........it has better career prospects than being the chairman of the New Order fanclub!:laugh: :wink:

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3615 Jiphy wrote: Last week, a teacher has been charged 500€ for having slapped a kid who had said "connard" to him.

How to translate connard? Something more rude than bastard I think...

Probably more in the lines of ass hole...or num nuts!

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El Jarvo wrote: Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

Spotty students can't stay students forever, what else to become other than spotty teachers?:evil4:

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EdelBrock wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

Spotty students can't stay students forever, what else to become other than spotty teachers?:evil4:

Quite right. Exactly like arseholes who become military arseholes can only become ex military arseholes while being fawned as national heroes for allegedly "defending freedom"

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3615 Jiphy wrote: On the other hand, I have just read that teachers in Texas will be allowed to have a gun in their classes...

What a wonderful world...

That's ONE school district...it's not like every damn teacher in the state will be armed...

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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: That's ONE school district...it's not like every damn teacher in the state will be armed...

Good news, but still...

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Canadia wrote:

3615 Jiphy wrote: Last week, a teacher has been charged 500€ for having slapped a kid who had said "connard" to him.

How to translate connard? Something more rude than bastard I think...

Probably more in the lines of ass hole...or num nuts!

More like, indeed...

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Doctor? wrote:

James Thomas wrote:

Go into teaching and you'll find there's a fairly high proportion of catholics,

James, if ever you have the misfortune to grace this complicated bit of Ireland, the above is as far as you need to go in 50% of company to kick off a major riot. Both lots are convinved the other lot run the whole country, have all the breaks, get everything handed to them yadda yadda.

Not saying to avoid it or anything, just have a few jars, chuck that line in, and watch apparently rational human beings descend into rabid beasts in minutes flat.....works much better in mixed company.

just something to try on a bored night in Belfast (there's another sort?).

Anyway....am I the only one here a touch worried by this sort of lawmaking?

:shrug: I thought it was just 'cause they are generally nicer people.:shrug:

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what if you're both a student and teacher? double deduction?

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As was pointed out on El Reg's comments page for this story, the best way to get a fucktarded bit of "law" like this overturned, is just to say Gordon Brown/a few judges, touched your willie when you were little.

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I'm a student right now, although my part-time job is to tutor English to kids.

:read:

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El Jarvo wrote: Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

i expect teachers make up an unhealthy amount of the internet in general. it's the perfect medium for being a know-it-all, which is what teachers are best at. that, and not having a life. dating websites are crawling with teachers. i hear.

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bloodynora wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

i expect teachers make up an unhealthy amount of the internet in general. it's the perfect medium for being a know-it-all, which is what teachers are best at. that, and not having a life. dating websites are crawling with teachers. i hear.

Yes, years of studying at Uni, or becoming a specialist in a chosen field usually does make you a know it all.....

I suppose you would know a lot about being a cunt eh?

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recycle wrote:

bloodynora wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

i expect teachers make up an unhealthy amount of the internet in general. it's the perfect medium for being a know-it-all, which is what teachers are best at. that, and not having a life. dating websites are crawling with teachers. i hear.

Yes, years of studying at Uni, or becoming a specialist in a chosen field usually does make you a know it all.....

I suppose you would know a lot about being a cunt eh?

ha ha - absolutely. although i find english/drama goes down better at gcse, which is the age group i teach...

sorry for any offence. i'm delighted to see you think i know it all, though. i quite agree.

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bloodynora wrote:

recycle wrote:

bloodynora wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Is it me, or do we have an unhealthy amount of teachers here?

Everyothercunt seems to be a teacher on this forum!

Why is this? It's just not natural.

We're hardly representative of a cross-section of society. I've never met so many teachers or wannabe teachers or hasbeen teachers as when I started posting here.

New Order, the band for football hooligans and spotty students?

Like fcuk they are - New Order, the band for teachers.

Yeah, well, carry on.

i expect teachers make up an unhealthy amount of the internet in general. it's the perfect medium for being a know-it-all, which is what teachers are best at. that, and not having a life. dating websites are crawling with teachers. i hear.

Yes, years of studying at Uni, or becoming a specialist in a chosen field usually does make you a know it all.....

I suppose you would know a lot about being a cunt eh?

ha ha - absolutely. although i find english/drama goes down better at gcse, which is the age group i teach...

sorry for any offence. i'm delighted to see you think i know it all, though. i quite agree.

Teachers really take thier status of knowledge a bit too seriously, ready to strike when thier knowledge is questioned, don't ya think?

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EdelBrock wrote: Teachers really take thier status of knowledge a bit too seriously, ready to strike when thier knowledge is questioned, don't ya think?

Status of knowledge? What, like, having the ability to teach Geography to GCSE standard?

Indeed. For that reason alone, whenever I'm in the company of teachers, I always try to steer the conversation topic away from drumlins, deciduous woodland and ox-bow lakes! Take them out their comfort zone and see how they like it! :lol: :uhoh:

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El Jarvo wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Teachers really take thier status of knowledge a bit too seriously, ready to strike when thier knowledge is questioned, don't ya think?

Status of knowledge? What, like, having the ability to teach Geography to GCSE standard?

Indeed. For that reason alone, whenever I'm in the company of teachers, I always try to steer the conversation topic away from drumlins, deciduous woodland and ox-bow lakes! Take them out their comfort zone and see how they like it! :lol: :uhoh:

Al, now is not a time to start trying to wind us up. Don't you realise we only have a weeks holiday left? It has taken me the last five to wind down after an extremely stressful last half term, you wouldn't believe the pressure involved supervising ten children at a theme park. So I have one week to relax and enjoy the summer,add to that;

  1. it will be October (OCTOBER!!) before I can have another week off.
  2. I have to start getting up ridiculously early (we start at 08:40 for God's sake)
  3. I am timetabled for 20 hours a week but have to squeeze in a bit more on top of that doing marking preparation and stuff.
  4. I have to work until 15:10 three times a week!! For goodness sake it ought to be 14:40 every day,how do they think I can keep going for so long?
  5. I have to work with people like Liam.

So, please think before you make such absurd comments.

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The fact that someone says that there are people like me both concerns me and makes me sad.

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So it's only you that finds it easy?

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Ah, I take it I've stumbled across the thread dedicated to people struggling to come to terms with their homosexuality???

My apologies. I will take my business elsewhere.

:shades:

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PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: Ah, I take it I've stumbled across a whole website dedicated to people struggling to come to terms with their homosexuality???

Fixed

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Doctor? wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: Ah, I take it I've stumbled across a whole website dedicated to people struggling to come to terms with their homosexuality???

Fixed

The thread or yourself?:uhoh:

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I'm involuntarily to be a teacher, too.

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Does anyone teach English abroad? From what I have read it mostly seems to be made up of socially inadequate anime freaks or reprobates looking for cheap asian pussy.

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Andy wrote: Does anyone teach English abroad? From what I have read it mostly seems to be made up of socially inadequate anime freaks or reprobates looking for cheap asian pussy.

Would you expect English salary too?

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most teachers are cunts, full of shit, who dont like to hear 'societies no.1 sin' - being judgemental/& opinionated. Still too many on these boards tho, time for a career change i reckon - librarian?? (do people still lend books):read:

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While I was teaching abroad, I was said many times (by headmasters and the like) that the British were not able to teach grammar correctly. What is it all about?

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