What makes you the MOST depressed????

** - Please note with regard to the first option: I have no issue with suicide per se, but deciding that your entire family must die as well just makes you the proverbial prize cunt, millionaire or no.

The Cure ! Utter Shite

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: ** - Please note with regard to the first option: I have no issue with suicide per se, but deciding that your entire family must die as well just makes you the proverbial prize cunt, millionaire or no.

I put 'other' cos at least 9 make me depressed; but on the whole, I agree with the above!

Other - The cunting weather.

The forthcoming New Order "reissues" comes a close second

It's a combination of all the above plus money worries, weather, work stress, bad news, etc.

But suicidal people who take their kids with them really gets to me.

The fact that we havent had even a handful of sunny, warm dry days this summer. That at the same time as the gloomy economic news is most disheartening.

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: ** - Please note with regard to the first option: I have no issue with suicide per se, but deciding that your entire family must die as well just makes you the proverbial prize cunt, millionaire or no.

But I suppose it takes away issue of leaving the rest of your family behind

GUESS.

Nothing,lifes too short,

deal with it,get over it,move on

then build a joint,and everythings alright again

Gazman wrote: Nothing,lifes too short,

deal with it,get over it,move on

then build a joint,and everythings alright again

Well, yes, until you go reefer crazy and shoot your entire family & everyone else you know then drop said joint which sets fire to the house and burns baby burns.

And that is where optimism will get you.

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

Gazman wrote: Nothing,lifes too short,

deal with it,get over it,move on

then build a joint,and everythings alright again

Well, yes, until you go reefer crazy and shoot your entire family & everyone else you know then drop said joint which sets fire to the house and burns baby burns.

And that is where optimism will get you.

Been there,done it,moved on...

wheres my skins?

3615 Jiphy wrote: GUESS.

Being French?

LeggyD wrote:

3615 Jiphy wrote: GUESS.

Being French?

Could be worse...

could be English...

Racist, nasty, evil scum like Jade Goody getting millions of pounds for doing nothing whilst people like nurses get paid peanuts for saving lives.That sort of thing.

knowing social security will be bankrupt when i'm 65, and working 40 hrs a week for the rest of my life.

Gazman wrote:

LeggyD wrote:

3615 Jiphy wrote: GUESS.

Being French?

Could be worse...

could be English...

Excellent!

Then, to answer LeggyD, you can play again...

johnny wrote: Racist, nasty, evil scum like Jade Goody getting millions of pounds for doing nothing whilst people like nurses get paid peanuts for saving lives.That sort of thing.

Understand the sentiment Johnny,

but nurses are the laziest overpaid bassas ive ever met (Intensive and Special Care ones excluded)

Disgruntled NHS worker, Glasgow

Kiddie diddlers are the worst (since there isn't an option for those fuckers I put other), but close second is the first option of people who take out thier whole family... can't understand the logic behind it at all...

3615 Jiphy wrote:

Gazman wrote:

LeggyD wrote:

3615 Jiphy wrote: GUESS.

Being French?

Could be worse...

could be English...

Excellent!

Then, to answer LeggyD, you can play again...

Unable to fight alone and sticking up for each other again I see. The Auld alliance never dies.

I voted "baby murder", 2 votes so far, but is it really right vote, hmmmmm. Actually I am fookin depressed when I see those F00KIN bastards, driving the cars with sirens, blocking the streets in my town, yes - I mean government. They buy gasoline using my money . ergh...

for a completely insular answer, the download speeds from steinbergs servers, 1 gig at 30kb/s!!!

I really should get out more!

arek wrote: I voted "baby murder", 2 votes so far, but is it really right vote, hmmmmm. Actually I am fookin depressed when I see those F00KIN bastards, driving the cars with sirens, blocking the streets in my town, yes - I mean government. They buy gasoline using my money . ergh...

Yes, 'baby murder'. It's a phrase that's been used round here by at least one person who I'll give the benefit of the doubt to by not mentioning that his online name is Tex.

I very much doubt anyone bothered to complain about that, mind, though elsewhere on this delightfully ideologically confused website someone has kicked up a minor stink because I used the phrase "rancid spunk" to describe the aimless rancid spunk that is the New Order reissues.

Community. You gotta love it.

Looking at my bank statement,I'm basically working for nothing.

Not having many mates to chat with, so its other

Binocher wrote: The Cure ! Utter Shite

Like some of their stuff, but not a avid fan of them

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

arek wrote: I voted "baby murder", 2 votes so far, but is it really right vote, hmmmmm. Actually I am fookin depressed when I see those F00KIN bastards, driving the cars with sirens, blocking the streets in my town, yes - I mean government. They buy gasoline using my money . ergh...

Yes, 'baby murder'. It's a phrase that's been used round here by at least one person who I'll give the benefit of the doubt to by not mentioning that his online name is Tex.

I very much doubt anyone bothered to complain about that, mind, though elsewhere on this delightfully ideologically confused website someone has kicked up a minor stink because I used the phrase "rancid spunk" to describe the aimless rancid spunk that is the New Order reissues.

Community. You gotta love it.

I don't recall if I've ever used the phrase "baby murder" here. But, since you've opened the door counselor, how else would you describe what happens to an unborn baby during an abortion?

The PC, health and safety, fearful soceity that England has become in the last few years.

You cant buy something on a credit card without arousing suspicion these days.

Online systems which are so guarded by security they are in fact, impossible to work. I.e. Internet banking, student finance, etc.

The growing influence of Supermarkets, creating a nation where creativity and individuality is stifled in favour of homeogenity.

The decline of local butchers, fishmongers, greengroces, general stores, replaced by souless entities like Spar and Costcutter.

ringing up somewhere to make a simple enquiry and not being able to get through to anyone. step forward. BT.

ringing up somewhere, asking for something to be done, and it not being done. Step forward, Natwest and Sky.

Public transport basically being a law until itself and creating what is basically a random timetable.

Airport Security. Herded in like cattle, under constant suspicion and treated like dirt.

Tex wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

arek wrote: I voted "baby murder", 2 votes so far, but is it really right vote, hmmmmm. Actually I am fookin depressed when I see those F00KIN bastards, driving the cars with sirens, blocking the streets in my town, yes - I mean government. They buy gasoline using my money . ergh...

Yes, 'baby murder'. It's a phrase that's been used round here by at least one person who I'll give the benefit of the doubt to by not mentioning that his online name is Tex.

I very much doubt anyone bothered to complain about that, mind, though elsewhere on this delightfully ideologically confused website someone has kicked up a minor stink because I used the phrase "rancid spunk" to describe the aimless rancid spunk that is the New Order reissues.

Community. You gotta love it.

I don't recall if I've ever used the phrase "baby murder" here. But, since you've opened the door counselor, how else would you describe what happens to an unborn baby during an abortion?

Tex, without wishing to devalue the life of a fetus, there's no such thing as an "unborn baby." There are babies, which exist only outside the womb, i.e., they have been born, and there are fetuses, which exist only inside the womb, i.e., they haven't been born. Your entire argument appears to be premised upon a non-existent, nonsensical entity-- the "unborn baby"-- that was created solely for rhetorical purposes. Had you instead said "fetus murder," you'd be far more accurate in your description of the life being ended.

A good most of me feels that the near-25 years I've been alive has been almost altogether a waste of my precious time, which I really won't get into at the moment as far as highlights and/or details...

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

Gazman wrote: Nothing,lifes too short,

deal with it,get over it,move on

then build a joint,and everythings alright again

Well, yes, until you go reefer crazy and shoot your entire family & everyone else you know then drop said joint which sets fire to the house and burns baby burns.

And that is where optimism will get you.

You've just reminded me I need to change the batteries in our smoke alarms ASAP. I got so many balls to juggle with my lot,I just plain forgot to rim the bitch!

I once escaped a naughty as fuck fire,funny story in a way aswell,but this is no time for anactodes,I should know better after it.

When the batteries on ours go,they make such an annoying, constant bleep that you have to take the battery out of the cunt,or shoot yourself in the mouth.....But I have nee replaced em,see.. My fire training and saftey days,which we do at work,says a room goes up blazing in 3 mins tops,which is good knowledge..Fair dooze,but why do these meetings always have boring cunts overusing words like 'cascade' and 'ballpark?' Literally.

Boatraceface wrote: why do these meetings always have boring cunts overusing words like 'cascade' and 'ballpark?' Literally.

Awe-some!

Boatraceface wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

Gazman wrote: Nothing,lifes too short,

deal with it,get over it,move on

then build a joint,and everythings alright again

Well, yes, until you go reefer crazy and shoot your entire family & everyone else you know then drop said joint which sets fire to the house and burns baby burns.

And that is where optimism will get you.

You've just reminded me I need to change the batteries in our smoke alarms ASAP. I got so many balls to juggle with my lot,I just plain forgot to rim the bitch!

I once escaped a naughty as fuck fire,funny story in a way aswell,but this is no time for anactodes,I should know better after it.

When the batteries on ours go,they make such an annoying, constant bleep that you have to take the battery out of the cunt,or shoot yourself in the mouth.....But I have nee replaced em,see.. My fire training and saftey days,which we do at work,says a room goes up blazing in 3 mins tops,which is good knowledge..Fair dooze,but why do these meetings always have boring cunts overusing words like 'cascade' and 'ballpark?' Literally.

I mind years ago the house next door to my mums went on fire, we were in our kips,next thing i know,the local bastard copper (and believe me,he was a bastard)was shaking me giving it "Gary,get up,get up",i can always mind opening my eyes,looking at him and saying.. "it wasnt me!"I thought i was getting the jail, The chunt burst out laughing and said,"the house next doors on fire ya wee prick,get up"

True story that

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

Tex wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

arek wrote: I voted "baby murder", 2 votes so far, but is it really right vote, hmmmmm. Actually I am fookin depressed when I see those F00KIN bastards, driving the cars with sirens, blocking the streets in my town, yes - I mean government. They buy gasoline using my money . ergh...

Yes, 'baby murder'. It's a phrase that's been used round here by at least one person who I'll give the benefit of the doubt to by not mentioning that his online name is Tex.

I very much doubt anyone bothered to complain about that, mind, though elsewhere on this delightfully ideologically confused website someone has kicked up a minor stink because I used the phrase "rancid spunk" to describe the aimless rancid spunk that is the New Order reissues.

Community. You gotta love it.

I don't recall if I've ever used the phrase "baby murder" here. But, since you've opened the door counselor, how else would you describe what happens to an unborn baby during an abortion?

Tex, without wishing to devalue the life of a fetus, there's no such thing as an "unborn baby." There are babies, which exist only outside the womb, i.e., they have been born, and there are fetuses, which exist only inside the womb, i.e., they haven't been born. Your entire argument appears to be premised upon a non-existent, nonsensical entity-- the "unborn baby"-- that was created solely for rhetorical purposes. Had you instead said "fetus murder," you'd be far more accurate in your description of the life being ended.

Potato potaato... baby and a fetus are one and the same, its not like they go in a cocoon and morph from worm to adult form... so you sir are trying to use vocabulary to minimize and change things

EdelBrock wrote: Potato potaato... baby and a fetus are one and the same,

Actually, they're not.

EdelBrock wrote: its not like they go in a cocoon and morph from worm to adult form... so you sir are trying to use vocabulary to minimize and change things

No, but it is like one is in the womb, and one is born from the womb after it has developed within the womb.

Pretty basic, really.

Tex, and you, are the ones ignoring basic biology (no surprise there, that conservatives discard science when it doesn't fit their ideology) and using rhetoric in its place.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Potato potaato... baby and a fetus are one and the same,

Actually, they're not.

EdelBrock wrote: its not like they go in a cocoon and morph from worm to adult form... so you sir are trying to use vocabulary to minimize and change things

No, but it is like one is in the womb, and one is born from the womb after it has developed within the womb.

Pretty basic, really.

Tex, and you, are the ones ignoring basic biology (no surprise there, that conservatives discard science when it doesn't fit their ideology) and using rhetoric in its place.

So 10 seconds before the baby passes the beef flaps, its something entirely different than 10 seconds later? No science involved there that its the same thing, just one gets to lunch off of mommy and the other doesn't as much

EdelBrock wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Potato potaato... baby and a fetus are one and the same,

Actually, they're not.

EdelBrock wrote: its not like they go in a cocoon and morph from worm to adult form... so you sir are trying to use vocabulary to minimize and change things

No, but it is like one is in the womb, and one is born from the womb after it has developed within the womb.

Pretty basic, really.

Tex, and you, are the ones ignoring basic biology (no surprise there, that conservatives discard science when it doesn't fit their ideology) and using rhetoric in its place.

So 10 seconds before the baby passes the beef flaps, its something entirely different than 10 seconds later?

Nice use of a strawman. The rhetoric just never ends, does it?

I suppose it would depend on when that 10 seconds occurs. Wouldn't you? I.e., if that 10 seconds occurs in the first trimester, would you call what you so eloquently referred to as "passing the beef flaps" a baby? What about in the second trimester? The third?

Obviously (to anybody who doesn't live in Jesusland), the closer to 40 weeks the fetus is, the more developed it is, and thus, the more likely it is to survive.

And just as obviously (again, to anybody who doesn't live in Jesusland), the closer to conception the fetus is, the less developed it is, and thus, the less likely it is to survive.

If it's born, and survives, it's a baby. If it isn't born, it's a miscarried fetus, perhaps nothing more than a spot of protoplasm, or maybe something more developed, but not a baby. A baby, after all, is a human being at a certain stage of development, and if it hasn't yet reached that stage of development, it isn't a baby, any more than it is a toddler, or a teenager, or an adult.

EdelBrock wrote: No science involved there that its the same thing, just one gets to lunch off of mommy and the other doesn't as much

Yes, there's no science involved in biology.

Just another day in Jesusland.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

Just another day in Jesusland.

When did California become part of Jesusland?

1840-something?

But true, technically, California isn't part of the bible belt. And Edelbrock isn't a bible-thumper. But the elevation of ideology above science does come straight from the bible belt.

Another true fact: TACOS RULE!

Comrade Shampanyov wrote: And Edelbrock isn't a bible-thumper. But the elevation of ideology above science does come straight from the bible belt.

I think you're wring to state this is geographic terms. it could only come from a complete and utter idiot. So thats that box ticked.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

So 10 seconds before the baby passes the beef flaps, its something entirely different than 10 seconds later?

Nice use of a strawman. The rhetoric just never ends, does it?

I suppose it would depend on when that 10 seconds occurs. Wouldn't you? I.e., if that 10 seconds occurs in the first trimester, would you call what you so eloquently referred to as "passing the beef flaps" a baby? What about in the second trimester? The third?

Obviously (to anybody who doesn't live in Jesusland), the closer to 40 weeks the fetus is, the more developed it is, and thus, the more likely it is to survive.

And just as obviously (again, to anybody who doesn't live in Jesusland), the closer to conception the fetus is, the less developed it is, and thus, the less likely it is to survive.

If it's born, and survives, it's a baby. If it isn't born, it's a miscarried fetus, perhaps nothing more than a spot of protoplasm, or maybe something more developed, but not a baby. A baby, after all, is a human being at a certain stage of development, and if it hasn't yet reached that stage of development, it isn't a baby, any more than it is a toddler, or a teenager, or an adult.

EdelBrock wrote: No science involved there that its the same thing, just one gets to lunch off of mommy and the other doesn't as much

Yes, there's no science involved in biology.

Just another day in Jesusland.

My point on the science is that the development of a baby is not an exact science in vocabulary, where exactly something turns to something else is a fuzzy line. I t still feeds on her jugs for a wee bit longer... If it has to do with the ability of a baby able to survive on its own and not its mother then when is that? 15? Hell there are some that are still in thier 40s that rely on mommy and could not survive on thier own (some even in thier 20s)

EdelBrock wrote:

My point on the science is that the development of a baby is not an exact science in vocabulary, where exactly something turns to something else is a fuzzy line. I t still feeds on her jugs for a wee bit longer... If it has to do with the ability of a baby able to survive on its own and not its mother then when is that? 15? Hell there are some that are still in thier 40s that rely on mommy and could not survive on thier own (some even in thier 20s)

Christ, you can mangle a sentence.

But the fact remains, the moment when a fetus becomes a baby is exact-- the moment a viable fetus "passes the beef flaps," it's a baby. Before that moment, it's a fetus.

By the way, my almost-but-not-quite- 3-year-old Godson has now informed us that he's not a baby any more, he's a big boy now.

His favorite pastime is still suckling...

Just like the big boys.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

My point on the science is that the development of a baby is not an exact science in vocabulary, where exactly something turns to something else is a fuzzy line. I t still feeds on her jugs for a wee bit longer... If it has to do with the ability of a baby able to survive on its own and not its mother then when is that? 15? Hell there are some that are still in thier 40s that rely on mommy and could not survive on thier own (some even in thier 20s)

Christ, you can mangle a sentence.

But the fact remains, the moment when a fetus becomes a baby is exact-- the moment a viable fetus "passes the beef flaps," it's a baby. Before that moment, it's a fetus.

By the way, my almost-but-not-quite- 3-year-old Godson has now informed us that he's not a baby any more, he's a big boy now.

His favorite pastime is still suckling...

Just like the big boys.

on the fetus... the vocabulary isn't completely in acceptance thus the arguements that are always happening...

on your Godson, well he's making leaps and bounds, they grow up so fast... maybe one day Liam can take suite

EdelBrock wrote:

on the fetus... the vocabulary isn't completely in acceptance thus the arguements that are always happening...

It's completely in acceptance by people who base their word choices on biological fact. It's not completely in acceptance by people who base their word choice on rhetoric.

The fact that people use a computer to spout religious, anti-scientific bollox.

Just remember, it was invented by a chutney ferret!

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

on the fetus... the vocabulary isn't completely in acceptance thus the arguements that are always happening...

It's completely in acceptance by people who base their word choices on biological fact. It's not completely in acceptance by people who base their word choice on rhetoric.

ummmmm.... no not really...

Show me a definative definition from a reliable, unbiased source, because simply it isn't there. Some say life begins at conception, some at around the third week when the heart begines to beat, others around the second month when it can begins to feel, and yet others when it leaves the woman's womb... science is at war with it almost as much as the population, except many doctors are worried about legal reprucussions....

Plus when it comes to law and media, even they can confuse the two:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/02/unborn_baby_was_healthy_doctor.html

Doctor? wrote: The fact that people use a computer to spout religious, anti-scientific bollox.

Just remember, it was invented by a chutney ferret!

Gore was gay!!! :D

EdelBrock wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

on the fetus... the vocabulary isn't completely in acceptance thus the arguements that are always happening...

It's completely in acceptance by people who base their word choices on biological fact. It's not completely in acceptance by people who base their word choice on rhetoric.

ummmmm.... no not really...

Show me a definative definition from a reliable, unbiased source, because simply it isn't there. Some say life begins at conception, some at around the third week when the heart begines to beat, others around the second month when it can begins to feel, and yet others when it leaves the woman's womb... science is at war with it almost as much as the population, except many doctors are worried about legal reprucussions....

Plus when it comes to law and media, even they can confuse the two:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/02/unborn_baby_was_healthy_doctor.html

You're confusing the question of when life begins with the question of whether a fetus is a baby.

Not really, because you are trying to use the word 'fetus' as unliving and the word 'baby' as living because they don't have the same emotion behind them.... vocab and definitions are important here, and that is what is being discussed, as I stated before the vocabulary is not a complete science...

EdelBrock wrote: Not really, because you are trying to use the word 'fetus' as unliving

No, I'm not. In fact, I prefaced my original post on the subject with this disclaimer:

Comrade Shampanyov wrote: without wishing to devalue the life of a fetus

And that pretty much destroys your premise here. The confusion is in your mind, not in my choice of words.

EdelBrock wrote: and the word 'baby' as living because they don't have the same emotion behind them....

And now you've proved my point-- that Tex has substituted the word "baby" for "fetus" as a rhetorical technique, because, as you say, the word "fetus doesn't "have the same emotion."

EdelBrock wrote: vocab and definitions are important here, and that is what is being discussed, as I stated before the vocabulary is not a complete science...

Vocabulary isn't a science at all. It's a store of words at one's disposal.

The fact that you acknowledge that "vocab and definitions are important here" once again underscores my argument: Tex is substituting the word "baby" for "fetus" as a rhetorical technique, rather than as an expression of biological reality.

Comrade, make a choice then... is the fetus living? If so then abortion would be in the law books murder... vocab is very much a part of science, that you don't think so shows how distant you are from the scientific community... i'll give an example:

http://ngmdb.usgs.gov/Info/NACSN/05_1547.pdf

The Europeans have thier own as well. Granted this is for Geology, but it is designed specifically to make sure everyone is on the same page for definition in terms... I'm no medical expert, but if geologists have this, I have no doubt that medical professions have a similar thing as well...

EdelBrock wrote: Comrade, make a choice then... is the fetus living?

I've been pretty clear is saying that it is living. So why the confusion?

EdelBrock wrote: If so then abortion would be in the law books murder...

I think you mean "a living human being," don't you? And that is where the law struggles-- with the definition of a human being.

EdelBrock wrote: vocab is very much a part of science, that you don't think so shows how distant you are from the scientific community...

I haven't said science doesn't have a vocabulary. I said vocabulary isn't a science.

EdelBrock wrote: i'll give an example:

http://ngmdb.usgs.gov/Info/NACSN/05_1547.pdf

The Europeans have thier own as well. Granted this is for Geology, but it is designed specifically to make sure everyone is on the same page for definition in terms... I'm no medical expert, but if geologists have this, I have no doubt that medical professions have a similar thing as well...

Yes, medical science does have a vocabulary. And I very much doubt that "fetus" and "baby" are inter-changeable terms in medical science.

EdelBrock wrote:

Doctor? wrote: The fact that people use a computer to spout religious, anti-scientific bollox.

Just remember, it was invented by a chutney ferret!

Gore was gay!!! :D

Alan Turing ????

Old Lead Foot wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Doctor? wrote: The fact that people use a computer to spout religious, anti-scientific bollox.

Just remember, it was invented by a chutney ferret!

Gore was gay!!! :D

Alan Turing ????

two points!

Hmmmm. Drummer>septic impressive.

:D

(the yanks like to claim Von Neuman invented it BTW....but then he was German anyway.....just like the guy who put Armstrong on the moon with a modified terrorist weapon)

This thread makes me depressed, and it's all my fault.....

I'm sorry everybody.

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: This thread makes me depressed, and it's all my fault.....

I'm sorry everybody.

apologies accepted :)

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: This thread makes me depressed, and it's all my fault.....

I'm sorry everybody.

Deal with it,get over it, move on

build a ...

a fuck,you know the rest

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: This thread makes me depressed, and it's all my fault.....

I'm sorry everybody.

Can I change my vote? I originally said the reissues make me depressed, but I now see the error of my ways. The fact that I have never had the joy of your man batter spunked all over my face brings me to tears!

I'm crying as I type this.

This, Jeff, is the great sorrow of the human race. There are devout Buddhists in Tibet who would be completely at peace with the universe were it not for this void at the very core of their being.

"Why?" they cry (internally, and on a spiritual level, natch). "Why won't Fradders spunk on my chops???!".

Only a precious few people know this special, intimate joy. And they are the sacred ones. Amen.

'take a break' magazine makes me pray for a vengeful old testament god to wipe out mankind, for surely we are beyond redemption.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

Tex wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

arek wrote: I voted "baby murder", 2 votes so far, but is it really right vote, hmmmmm. Actually I am fookin depressed when I see those F00KIN bastards, driving the cars with sirens, blocking the streets in my town, yes - I mean government. They buy gasoline using my money . ergh...

Yes, 'baby murder'. It's a phrase that's been used round here by at least one person who I'll give the benefit of the doubt to by not mentioning that his online name is Tex.

I very much doubt anyone bothered to complain about that, mind, though elsewhere on this delightfully ideologically confused website someone has kicked up a minor stink because I used the phrase "rancid spunk" to describe the aimless rancid spunk that is the New Order reissues.

Community. You gotta love it.

I don't recall if I've ever used the phrase "baby murder" here. But, since you've opened the door counselor, how else would you describe what happens to an unborn baby during an abortion?

Tex, without wishing to devalue the life of a fetus, there's no such thing as an "unborn baby." There are babies, which exist only outside the womb, i.e., they have been born, and there are fetuses, which exist only inside the womb, i.e., they haven't been born. Your entire argument appears to be premised upon a non-existent, nonsensical entity-- the "unborn baby"-- that was created solely for rhetorical purposes. Had you instead said "fetus murder," you'd be far more accurate in your description of the life being ended.

You can engage in semantic gymnastics all you like. "Fetus" is a technical term for "unborn baby". Expectant mothers don't get asked how their "fetus" is doing. When mom and dad go for the sonogram to determine the sex of the unborn baby, they don't walk away from the doctors office saying, "We're having a feamle feuts!"

Based on your post, it would seem that we are in agreement that there is human life growing inside the womb of the mother. The question is, "What is our threshold for killing that life?"

I don't know how many people here have been to a neonatal unit at a hospital, but babies are now surviving outside the womb at 26 weeks. Once you see that child, you can't tell me it was a "fetus" one moment and a baby the next.

PS

As for words or phrases used for "rhetorical purposes", I can say the same about "fetus", "right to choose", "reproductive rights", etc.

Oh, for fuck's sake. What the fuck is a "fetus"??? Isn't he a character in "Peanuts"???

the ever increasing world population. Is abortion really a bad thing? People and their idelogies...gawd.

coney island baby wrote: the ever increasing world population. Is abortion really a bad thing? People and their idelogies...gawd.

Same for capital punishment, the death penalty actually helps decrease our footprint for global warming

coney island baby wrote: the ever increasing world population. Is abortion really a bad thing? People and their idelogies...gawd.

Not really "ideological" here, though, is it? More like some dumb fuck thinking (a) he could/should be able to decide what women do with their bodies and (b) the selfsame dumb fuck lacking the basic sensitivity to realise that that, simply by the law of averages, there must be quite a few posters on here who've had actually had abortions themselves and might - just might - be a little upset at being dubbed a "murderer".

reminds me of the Hypocrisy of the republican campaign. They whine when media focuses on the knocked up daughter, but they have no problem interfering with women's reproductive rights. I agree children should be of limits but the same goes with women's bodies.

bloodynora wrote: 'take a break' magazine makes me pray for a vengeful old testament god to wipe out mankind, for surely we are beyond redemption.

... and the worst thing is, if I'm at the Dentists and it's there, I read it. Then feel dirty afterwards.

If your comments are directed at me, my past postings were only showing the hypocricy in Comrade's use of vocabulary. I don't think ALL abortions are out of line. For instance, my wife had to have two C-sections when having our children. She simply can not have another child, or she most likely will die in birth. In this instance, and many others where the mother's life is at stake, a woman has been raped, and many other such exceptions I have no issue with abortion... its just that this is not what the majority of abortions are about.

I do find it a bit perplexing how the same people who bang on about 'woman's rights' to kill the fetus inside, which is truely a victim to anything, are also the same ones against the death penalty to people that have chosen thier path in life

You know what, I have no inclination to go on about this... I was only trying to state the hypocrisy in Comrade's vocabulary not actually get into an abortion right/wrong debate which is so utterly pointless....

what makes me sad is that I got sucked into this stupid thing

I'll say no more on the matter...

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: Oh, for fuck's sake. What the fuck is a "fetus"??? Isn't he a character in "Peanuts"???

Talk shite about "Peanuts" and see what you've done!...

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx/?news=329248&GT1=28103

not directed at you.

But what really makes me depressed is how MCcain got sucked into the whole Christian conservative movement. I'm fast losing respect for him, as i don't recognize him anymore.

off subject-

Guilani was truly scary yesterday. It was like a lynching mob. And when did he become an expert on security?

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

coney island baby wrote: not directed at you.

But what really makes me depressed is how MCcain got sucked into the whole Christian conservative movement. I'm fast losing respect for him, as i don't recognize him anymore.

off subject-

Guilani was truly scary yesterday. It was like a lynching mob. And when did he become an expert on security?

AFTER the planes crashed into the towers!

Hindsight IS 20/20!

Remember Guilani was about to get kicked out of office before the towers fell... it saved his career and launched it in a whole new way. Never liked the guy. There are a bunch in the Republican party I don't care for... I really would like another Reagan, not a Guilani and Romney, who I think is really good is Huckabee, but unfortunately he has the albatross of being a prior preacher around his neck which makes people jump to conclusions befoer even listening to him.

I think your issues Jon, with McCain, are correct... it is unfortunate in order to win an election you HAVE to have appeal to the base, which McCain never really has done... he really has no choice in the matter if he wants to win... but the same can be said for Obama, he's trying to appeal to so many in a fractured party that I think his abilty to send a clear message gets muddled.... maybe these are the reasons only two other senators have ever reached the White House....

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

coney island baby wrote: the ever increasing world population. Is abortion really a bad thing? People and their idelogies...gawd.

Not really "ideological" here, though, is it? More like some dumb fuck thinking (a) he could/should be able to decide what women do with their bodies and (b) the selfsame dumb fuck lacking the basic sensitivity to realise that that, simply by the law of averages, there must be quite a few posters on here who've had actually had abortions themselves and might - just might - be a little upset at being dubbed a "murderer".

To your a) - what control? Control over hair color, breast size, tattoos, piercings?

To your b) - a close inspection in the mirror will reveal who used the term "murder" first in this thread.

Gazman wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: This thread makes me depressed, and it's all my fault.....

I'm sorry everybody.

Deal with it,get over it, move on

build a ...

a fuck,you know the rest

Listen to the wiseman...

...geez. Now this whole damn thread's made me depressed.

NEW Order...........pathetic!

3615 Jiphy wrote:

Gazman wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: This thread makes me depressed, and it's all my fault.....

I'm sorry everybody.

Deal with it,get over it, move on

build a ...

a fuck,you know the rest

Listen to the wiseman...

not knowing what to do in a bad situation.

The fact that fuckface McCain and pussylips Palin may be POTUS and VPOTUS makes my skin crawl.

Hopefully some brave patriot will have the balls, a high-powered rifle and two bullets in case this actually comes to pass in November.

*Hides from Secret Police*

Sheds on a Plane wrote: The fact that fuckface McCain and pussylips Palin may be POTUS and VPOTUS makes my skin crawl.

Hopefully some brave patriot will have the balls, a high-powered rifle and two bullets in case this actually comes to pass in November.

*Hides from Secret Police*

Now that is some quality discourse......

Tex wrote:

Sheds on a Plane wrote: The fact that fuckface McCain and pussylips Palin may be POTUS and VPOTUS makes my skin crawl.

Hopefully some brave patriot will have the balls, a high-powered rifle and two bullets in case this actually comes to pass in November.

*Hides from Secret Police*

Now that is some quality discourse......

Coming from you, quite a compliment...

Oh, and the pending re-masters make me happy-dappy in pantaloons, since I've yet to locate my CD collections and have to assume it's M.I.A.

Lest we forget...

Being depressed makes me being depressed .

SHED wrote: NEW Order...........pathetic!

! DISCO R0CKET.

1. Mike. Do you think we'll get there by midnight. Trent. Baby, we're going to be up five hundy by midnight! M. !Yea- aah- hhhhh..

T. Vegas !baby. !Vegas. M. !Vegas!

2. Just that there isn't more of this Huffingtonpost.com..

and to wait a week until this Appaloosa hits theatres.

Looking forward to a top night in Manc,to find I can't afford to go.Seeing Jemmie,Bonzer,Canadia this afternoon in the bar,and I really wanted to stop out for a few beers.

Fuck Gordon Brown.

MONTY POTTER & THE HALF COOKED PRINCE wrote: Looking forward to a top night in Manc,to find I can't afford to go.Seeing Jemmie,Bonzer,Canadia this afternoon in the bar,and I really wanted to stop out for a few beers.

Fuck Gordon Brown.

It was rubbish*

Still I finally got the pacamac i've been coveting all this time. Me and Bonz were on the net Friday trying to find stockists and I dropped my beautiful laptop on the floor and all the screen has smashed so it is no longer touchscreen.

Then we considered buying shower caps but were too far away from a Boots.

Got in the pub, to be told they hand them out free at the gig.

Great, I thought,and proudly strutted round in my yellow plastic tent for about ten minutes. Then the wind blew and I was nearly suffocated - death by pacamac!

It lasted ten minutes. Didn't even rain later anyway.

Pffffft

.:\ohwell:

* that is actually completely untrue but thought it would make you feel a bit better for a short time