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Gordon-every word I speak is a lie-Brown says it's true.
Apparently it all starts in 51 days, be intersting to see how this pans out (after all, they're usually a lot more sheepish about any kind of verifiable prediction these days, since all the stuff about London being underwater by 2005 turned out to be shite).
Steve - when Bangor becomes Northern Ireland's version of Atlantis and you're dying of skin cancer after a particularly sunny fishing trip, I won't be the only one pointing and laughing.
Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote: Steve - when Bangor becomes Northern Ireland's version of Atlantis and you're dying of skin cancer after a particularly sunny fishing trip, I won't be the only one pointing and laughing.
If it happens I will expect nothing less mate.
You're an intelligent sort of chap, with some experience of accademia (from the shady fringes natch), wrap your eyes round this story that popped up on El-Reg the other day.....
Global Warming, as scientific as god
And consider this......
Statement A: You are a climate scientist who is paid to study global warming. Statement B: If there is no such thing, you're on the dole. Query: Your results indicate it's all balls, how do you proceed?
Show me ONE accurate prediction made 5 or 10 years ago (or even 11 years ago when global temp peaked).
Please note, in all matters I refer to Global Warming, the man made monster as opposed to any of the normal climatic changes that occur.......y'know, the way there were vineyards in STOKE hundreds of years before Al Gore OR four-by-bores.
PS: Ozone depletion is an entirely separate issue....though that's turned out rather less apocalyptic too.
Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote: Steve - when Bangor becomes Northern Ireland's version of Atlantis and you're dying of skin cancer after a particularly sunny fishing trip, I won't be the only one pointing and laughing.
A fradders special. Sorry Steve 
Chrissy wrote: stop calling climate change global warming and you'll see it makes a lot more sense :P
Double think.
The name changed when they realised that "global warming" was a measurable thing for anyone to see it wasn't going on.
Besides.....as long as there are icecaps, we're still in an ice age, Earth is NOT meant to have them, but oh no, because the monkeys seen them when they were kids, they have to stay forever.
Anyone willing to post one solid prediction? (either current or past)....if it's science, it'll be full of testable, verifiable predictions, because that's how science works. Without such solid, testable, verifiable predictions, it makes as much sense as killing a queer for christ.
Dropping a ball of mass M from height H results in it attaining velocity V. That's science. Debating the number of angels that can dance on a pin head, or the number of polar bears who can look cute and helpless on small icebergs=wooleythink. [1]
Nobody read the article about the IPCC faking it's results then, oh well.
[1]Note to anyone upset by polar bears clinging to icebergs......they can SWIM.
Doctor? wrote:
Note to anyone upset by polar bears clinging to icebergs......they can SWIM.
And they often get all the way to Iceland, so they are bloody good swimmers
can someone tell me how the fuck you start a thread,im a bit illiterate when it comes to computers
chelsea wrote: can someone tell me how the fuck you start a thread,im a bit illiterate when it comes to computers
On the forum page, near the top right of the page, under the banner and advert, you'll see two buttons, one for starting a thread: 
and one for starting a poll: 
That'll be £40
Jed Stephens wrote:
chelsea wrote: can someone tell me how the fuck you start a thread,im a bit illiterate when it comes to computers
On the forum page, near the top right of the page, under the banner and advert, you'll see two buttons, one for starting a thread:
That'll be £40
I'd say that the standard £40 fee should be waived in light of some excellent and utterly gratuitous use of foul language in an early post.
Fradders,you're only saying that because it suits.
You owe the swearbox more 40 spots than any cunt.FACT.
And Cambo is absolutely right on this one.
Global warming,climate change...we can't help it.It's just the way it is.
Burn everything to keep warm.That's how we roll...
It's fuck all to do with us.Miniscule.
Blame it on the sunshine,moonlight...or the boogie.
Nah,it's the sun innit?! Always the sun..Study the bitch.You know it,I know it..
My Mum is a bit old fashioned, but a very sensible, erudite woman. I remember her saying to me when explaining "ice ages" when I was at school, around seven years old (okay, that's 35 years ago) that we, "are coming to the end of the last ice age, so in fifty or sixty years time, there won't be much ice on the planet."
She also explained the cyclical nature of weather patterns, global warming and cooling and told me how often it all happens, etc.
She may not be a genius, but I'd say:
Mum 1 - 0 "Scientists"
However, my Mum did recently point out that the end of an ice age also affects the coastlines of continents and that there's bound to be both flooding and erosion...
Anyone got a finger they'd like to stick in a dyke? 
Chris Nash wrote:
Mum 1 - 0 "Scientists"
Nepotism.
Still,SHE'S RIGHT Y'KNOW!
Just as many scientists agree with your old dear as don't.. They just say it in hushed tones.That's where we are at...Peer pressure,job security,all them factors.
Fact is,ultimately,the sun governs our world.
For our part... Burn everything and eat all the animals we farm,plant a few trees,that's all we can do..That's how we'll do our bit..It really has a pissy effect what we do.Enjoy!
eskamiya wrote: I blame the gays.
You knows it. Stephen Gately was going to unveil the truth about the global Queer-Jewish conspiracy to drown all us straight gentile infidels by melting all the ice with their bloody nancy-boy hairdryers. But they bumped him off, just like they did with Lee Harvey Oswald.
That beach ball at the Sunderland-Liverpool game? That was them, too. They'll be trying to covertly assassinate Cheryl Cole next, thus plummeting the entire known universe into chaos, disorder and moral anarchy.
Mark my fucking words.
Doctor? wrote:
Chrissy wrote: stop calling climate change global warming and you'll see it makes a lot more sense :P
Double think.
The name changed when they realised that "global warming" was a measurable thing for anyone to see it wasn't going on.
Besides.....as long as there are icecaps, we're still in an ice age, Earth is NOT meant to have them, but oh no, because the monkeys seen them when they were kids, they have to stay forever.
Anyone willing to post one solid prediction? (either current or past)....if it's science, it'll be full of testable, verifiable predictions, because that's how science works. Without such solid, testable, verifiable predictions, it makes as much sense as killing a queer for christ.
Dropping a ball of mass M from height H results in it attaining velocity V. That's science. Debating the number of angels that can dance on a pin head, or the number of polar bears who can look cute and helpless on small icebergs=wooleythink. [1]
Nobody read the article about the IPCC faking it's results then, oh well.
[1]Note to anyone upset by polar bears clinging to icebergs......they can SWIM.
You have many things wrong with what you are talking about Cambo. First we are NOT in an ice age. We are in an interglacial period, a warm period between glaciations (ice ages) and not just recently, all of human kind has only been around during this interglacial period (the Little Ice Age and the Younger Dryas events were point specific).
The other misunderstanding is that climate is not a simple experiment like dropping a lead ball and timing it. There are so many factors (cycles) taking effect that Chaos theory begins to have a large effect on the science. We can not make good predictions, simply because there is far too much data to collect and that could change by the slightest movement in one of the cycles, let alone many of them. We simply aren't that smart.
There is plenty of good science to back up the history of climate of the Earth, and plenty to back up the current direction, but prediction is far out of our grasp at this point.
I think the most unfortunate thing about climate science is that the science is quite sound and spot on, the scientists working on this are damn good at what they do. However, you have all of these nutter spokespeople running around yelling out complete drivel and gibberish. It seems everyone thinks they are climate experts, simply cause they read an article and watched a movie. It really ruins the credibility.
If you cannot predict and test, it's not science. That's a matter of the basic definition of the term. Also a matter of basic definition is that an ice age is any period when there is persistent ice at the poles.
What about Mr Gore's graph....why did he lie about it and say that it clearly showed that temp followed CO2 concentration.....when the reverse is in fact the case.....shows the level of human curiosity these days.....he stands showing the graph, talking shite about it and nobody points out it's backwards. It's another fairly basic fact about reality that cause always precedes effect, so if temp moves them CO2 moves.... Oh never mind.
And why do the IPCC feel the need to conceal and fake data if it's all irefutable scince? Ask the people of Hiroshima if Einstein faked his equations 
Then how about Chaos Theory Mr. Campbell?
We can test and predict each cycle, and each can completely proven, however we can not understand how each one interacts. One slight movement in one cycle throws all the others into a completely different speed.
Just because the Greeks couldn't understand retrograde, doesn't mean Astronomy isn't a science.
Chaos Theory also says that my last fart is as likely to cause a global climate disaster as the minute percentage of the Earth's CO2 that monkey activity produces.
The Greeks could still predict planetary positions!
Besides nobody genuinely believes this shit. NOT ONE CUNT, if they did, they would save the thousands of tons of CO2 they emit by killing themselves and leaving the world in peace for the rest of us.
If cars and not solar radiation (after all, man's devices are WAY more important than mere stars) are the cause, why does Mars' temperature track ours so closely.
I hated science at school. It was just a geeky pseuds version of conkers, only less fun.
Nothing's changed.
Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote: I hated science at school. It was just a geeky pseuds version of conkers, only less fun.
Nothing's changed.
and you couldn't "accidentally" twat someone on the knuckles
You obviously weren't paying enough attention.
Leave me alone with your PC for 3 minutes and we'll see who can do geeky knuckle smashing :D
Besides, the point of this thread, which we've lost, is that if Gordo told me about gravity I'd try and float out a window, seriously if GW is not-bullshit it'll be the first thing out of Brown's gob that hasn't passed through a bovine digestive tract first.
Surely it is entirely feasible that contemporary 'global warming'/'climate change' is the result of both cyclical environmental shifts AND the intervention of industrial pollution. This either/or thing is for gayers.
After all, if you and your opponent both soaked your conkers in vinegar you might end up with a stalemate, eh?
Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote: Surely it is entirely feasible that contemporary 'global warming'/'climate change' is the result of both cyclical environmental shifts AND the intervention of industrial pollution. This either/or thing is for gayers.
After all, if you and your opponent both soaked your conkers in vinegar you might end up with a stalemate, eh?
I thought you were band from taking photos of children?
