The First Ever NOOL Day

Right then, it sounds like a good idea, let's make it happen.

We need various contributions:

• designer of promotional material etc
• people with venue contacts for gig/DJ
• someone to organise football pitch (5 a side will do!)
• promotion costs (which will be reimbursed by ticket sales, whether it be an individual or several of us who contribute the costs, or we find an alternative way of fundraising)

Probably best to get expressions of interest in forming a small organising committee, which can then go forward and select a date, location town etc. Would help us if we knew for sure that the Order weren't playing that night, no chance we will out about gigs until well after we've organised this!

Shall we look at something like February or March? Gives us plenty of time then.

Expressions of interest please!

Certainly. Prob best for March maybe? Or maybe it would be best to get it on one of the bank holiday weekends? Easter Saturday, anyone?

Top idea, if theres enough interest it may be worth trying to find out from organisers of Pontins weekenders how many you need, costs etc. Obviously they have the benefit of the band being prepared to play but we can have tribute bands instead.

Stranglers did it in 2001 and Marillion are still doing it.

Brean Sands is in Somereset so a long way for most though and school holidays (ie Easter) will probably be booked out anyway..

you can put the slightlynarrow soundsystem down for free entertainments as well. I can't commit Rich, not till I ask him anyway, so it might just be me, a bass and an mp3 player. Bit like NO really :)

I would be defo up for it and would contribute financially. The only problem for me is that i will be working abroad from Jan 5th till the end of March. Please will you think about putting it forward to April ? :(

Count me in! March or April would be just fine ... Nice idea, btw

PS - I expect you lot to let me know at least a month before it happens so I can sort all my papers out.

Yeah Easter Bank holiday i reckon !

I'm in :D

oldmonkey wrote:

• someone to organise football pitch (5 a side will do!)

Oh yes bring it on. The Corby Scottish Order :D will fancy their chances in this. Myself, Steve, Eddie, Baldrick and Shug (if we can tempt him out of early retirement) will be confident of defeating the best teams you In-ger-lund boys can muster, we'll probably take the goalposts and the pitch home afterwards aswell.

James Thomas wrote: Top idea, if theres enough interest it may be worth trying to find out from organisers of Pontins weekenders how many you need, costs etc. Obviously they have the benefit of the band being prepared to play but we can have tribute bands instead.

Stranglers did it in 2001 and Marillion are still doing it.

Brean Sands is in Somereset so a long way for most though and school holidays (ie Easter) will probably be booked out anyway..

Crikey, was the stranglers one in 2001 !!! Top weekend :-)

Mint Idea!!- 'Make It Happen' as some deadly duo once sang

Shug wrote: I was wondering why you asked if Baldrick could play!

Stroll in the foowkin park.....and yes, I'd come out of retirement for it :D

Yeah, right you shandy drinking poofs. Wait until you take on the Stoke Order: there's me, Sam Chapman, Nick Hancock lives just up the road.....you'll be FOOKED!!!!

Fantastic idea. Especially the footie.

I was thinkin we should have it in a field in the precise geometric centre of fucking nowhere, so it's a cunt for EVERYONE to get to :) Count me RIGHT the fuck out of the footie.....screen goes wibbly wobbly....and we find ourselves in a bangor high school in the 80's........ "ok, we'll take the three legged anthrax infected chicken on our team if you take campbell"

you get the picture?

However, if anyone wants me to soundly thrash them at any racing game they care to mention, bring it on, I've raced GPL online, nothing a console has to offer will even raise a hair :D

Apart from that, the only other sporting activity I can be arsed with is fishing, and you'll never get me match angling.

Of course since I know absolutely fuck all about football, I could commentate.

Chris Nash wrote: I was always a rugby player. I'll leave the footie to the weedie boys...

Yes, rugby man gets his ear ripped off, they gaffer tape it back on and send him back into play. Footballer gets a hair tweaked or his wifes underpants ruffled and he's stretchered off.

Speaking of footbal....heard a joke today....probably a really old one, but I only just heard it...

Name 3 teams with swearing in their names

ARSEnal sCUNThorpe Utd. and FUCKING MAN U

Us northern types could show some of you southern lot how to play proper pub style dominoes as an aftershow to the footie

I'll take youse all on at darts and skittles!

In the interests of feminism we should also think about pre-booze activities for the ladies.

Perhaps they could put on a strip show for us?

or just wash/iron the footy kits...

Barney Army wrote: In the interests of feminism we should also think about pre-booze activities for the ladies.

Perhaps they could put on a strip show for us?

or just wash/iron the footy kits...

You're all heart!

Sounds like a grand idea. Easter Weekend could be good. If another set of hands is needed along the way then drop us a line. Cheers aeaf

What about the old spectrum arena in Warrington for the venue? The band played there in 1986 and to my knowledge it doesnt get used much these days. I once went to a rave there so I know its certainly big enough for five a side football etc. Bet it would be well cheap to rent out for a weekend.

Easter sounds good.

If it's London and on a Saturday I'll definately go.

Can we arrange for things to go on into the night; involving alcohol and NO / Hac related DJ stuff- that would be cool, then if me and others can't make the day we could come along at night...?

FANTASTIC IDEA BTW... Maybe we could make it a quarterly thing, moving around the UK, if it's a success (which i'm sure it will be).

Barney Army wrote: In the interests of feminism we should also think about pre-booze activities for the ladies.

Perhaps they could put on a strip show for us?

or just wash/iron the footy kits...

My contribution will be the striptease Barney...There will be a mad exadus and we can easily get to the bar for a generous slurp!!

But as for the housework...

Find a decent sized bit of land, p'haps an old sports club etc, who need the money - get a marquee, a mobile bar, a barbecue or something, hire in the equipment you want for your 'footie'; a DJ etc etc - much, much, much cheaper. You can all bring your sleeping bags and crash in the marquee then! (Also if it's a Club they will have toilet/shower facilities on site). Lots of the smaller clubs struggle these days and look at ways to 'rent' out their land etc to companies for their 'fun days' or 'team building' days - so worth thinking about.

Wino wrote: Find a decent sized bit of land, p'haps an old sports club etc, who need the money - get a marquee, a mobile bar, a barbecue or something, hire in the equipment you want for your 'footie'; a DJ etc etc - much, much, much cheaper. You can all bring your sleeping bags and crash in the marquee then! (Also if it's a Club they will have toilet/shower facilities on site). Lots of the smaller clubs struggle these days and look at ways to 'rent' out their land etc to companies for their 'fun days' or 'team building' days - so worth thinking about.

I've just rang my mate who lives right near spectrum, he says its already got five a side pitches marked out on the wooden floor inside just like a school gym! BTW this is the place age of consent was recorded that is on the live CD from the RETRO box set...

Preliminary research I've done this morning has centred around venues that the Order have played, where music wasn't their primary usage. Macclesfield Leisure Centre is a good one, as is Gloucester Leisure Centre. If we are working on the principle that it will be Easter Monday, we'll have to put together a package (and the funding up front) to sell it to the prospective venues.

Several other bands have done fan conventions in the past (which is what this amounts to, essentially) - worth checking out their sites and finding out what can be done.

At this stage, we don't need to know who will be attending, which bands, DJs etc. Date and preferred location will have to be the first things to establish.

I vote for the Saturday then! (15th April) and somewhere around the Midlands!

Barney Army wrote: In the interests of feminism we should also think about pre-booze activities for the ladies.

Perhaps they could put on a strip show for us?

or just wash/iron the footy kits...

Just about to put an order in for this so I can be match fit in time :Dhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006L7O8E/qid=1131108949/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/202-5687792-2141461

Don't fancy the laundry bit though :(

Think the NOOL day is a great idea, want to go, willing to contribute/ assist as necessary

Not a bad idea.

Having it London would an even better idea ;)

Think i'll come over for this, i'll def take part in the footer :)

Spectrum Arena??

There are fook all boozers nearby. Although it's good for footy. I used to play footy at the all-weather pitch in Padgate just down the road.

And for all you plastic jocks ...I used to play footy with a Scotch (sic) international at me local leisure center, he was good. but not that good, he used to play for Citeh, care to guess his name?

But....that was 17 years ago when I was fit & sprightly, now I'm just an 'ard old tackler. I always surprise people on a footy pitch, I'm a 'ard cunt on it, soft twat off it.

Although perhaps too soft these days after a particularly rash challenge that put me in hospital for 3 fookin days getting me cruciate mended. But I had to show those security guards from Salford I could run a game.

You probably think I'm bullshittin but ask me mates at the Apollo gig, we were 3-0 up, 20 mins to go, I was bossin the midfield, cruciate goes, we lost 3-5...twats.

Barney Army wrote:

And for all you plastic jocks ...I used to play footy with a Scotch (sic) international at me local leisure center, he was good. but not that good, he used to play for Citeh, care to guess his name?

Denis Law? :D City haven't had that many Scottish Internationalists over the years, Asa Hartford maybe? Tommy Hutchison, Willie Donachie, Colin Hendry or Paul Dickov. Can't think of any more.

John Sludden wrote:

oldmonkey wrote:

• someone to organise football pitch (5 a side will do!)

Oh yes bring it on. The Corby Scottish Order :D will fancy their chances in this. Myself, Steve, Eddie, Baldrick and Shug (if we can tempt him out of early retirement) will be confident of defeating the best teams you In-ger-lund boys can muster, we'll probably take the goalposts and the pitch home afterwards aswell.

Kick ass on the footie pitch

BALDRICK wrote:

John Sludden wrote:

oldmonkey wrote:

• someone to organise football pitch (5 a side will do!)

Oh yes bring it on. The Corby Scottish Order :D will fancy their chances in this. Myself, Steve, Eddie, Baldrick and Shug (if we can tempt him out of early retirement) will be confident of defeating the best teams you In-ger-lund boys can muster, we'll probably take the goalposts and the pitch home afterwards aswell.

Kick ass on the footie pitch

You boys are just setting yerselves up for a fall, ain't ya!!

John Sludden wrote:

Barney Army wrote:

And for all you plastic jocks ...I used to play footy with a Scotch (sic) international at me local leisure center, he was good. but not that good, he used to play for Citeh, care to guess his name?

Denis Law? :D City haven't had that many Scottish Internationalists over the years, Asa Hartford maybe? Tommy Hutchison, Willie Donachie, Colin Hendry or Paul Dickov. Can't think of any more.

nah man. City & Scotland. No fookin wonder you aint heard of him

Alright, a big clue. Initials are DP

Barney Army wrote:

John Sludden wrote:

Barney Army wrote:

And for all you plastic jocks ...I used to play footy with a Scotch (sic) international at me local leisure center, he was good. but not that good, he used to play for Citeh, care to guess his name?

Denis Law? :D City haven't had that many Scottish Internationalists over the years, Asa Hartford maybe? Tommy Hutchison, Willie Donachie, Colin Hendry or Paul Dickov. Can't think of any more.

nah man. City & Scotland. No fookin wonder you aint heard of him

Alright, a big clue. Initials are DP

All of the players mentioned played for City! Could it be Derek Parlane ex Rangers and Leeds?

that's the guy!!

*jaw wobbles* *tears start*

I will particpate in the Brisbane version of this. I shall turn up to my local pasrk and play NO music really loud on a battery operated CD player and whip up a BBQ for one. Then I'll sit and cry. Thinking about what I am missing. Then I will be arrested because people will think I have gone mad. A girl sitting on her opwn crying and listening to NO in the middle of a public park.

I EXPECT MANY PHOTOS AND ANECDOTES TOP BE SHARED PEOPLE>

This is a great idea. I will have to me up with you all or come over for one of these in the future (we're talking 2, 3 years) to meet you all!

Don't listen to what people tell you - It's crap being young.

Can't you get a responsible adult to bring you?...oh wait....NO fans...ah yes...see the problem there.

You're right, being young sucked, old people only think it's cool cos their lives suck NOW and somehow imagine it didn;t always suck so bad.

But just wait until you grow out of your hangover immunity, that'll learn ye!

Barney Army wrote: Spectrum Arena??

There are fook all boozers nearby. Although it's good for footy. I used to play footy at the all-weather pitch in Padgate just down the road.

And for all you plastic jocks ...I used to play footy with a Scotch (sic) international at me local leisure center, he was good. but not that good, he used to play for Citeh, care to guess his name?

But....that was 17 years ago when I was fit & sprightly, now I'm just an 'ard old tackler. I always surprise people on a footy pitch, I'm a 'ard cunt on it, soft twat off it.

Although perhaps too soft these days after a particularly rash challenge that put me in hospital for 3 fookin days getting me cruciate mended. But I had to show those security guards from Salford I could run a game.

You probably think I'm bullshittin but ask me mates at the Apollo gig, we were 3-0 up, 20 mins to go, I was bossin the midfield, cruciate goes, we lost 3-5...twats.

Blimey charlie, them all weather pitches are only round t'corner from my house here in sunny warrington.

Oh yeah, forgot about there being no boozers nearby. Except for the "silver birch" but you would'nt want to go in there!

Spectrum probbly has a bar inside, but dunno howlong it is since it was last used.

old NO gig venue great idea. macclesfield great idea. football great idea. beer great idea. dj great idea.

i think it's a great idea.

Count me in.

Just make sure the goal posts and turf are still there afterwards.

Who is going to take a lead on organising it then??

Ness wrote:

Barney Army wrote: In the interests of feminism we should also think about pre-booze activities for the ladies.

Perhaps they could put on a strip show for us?

or just wash/iron the footy kits...

Just about to put an order in for this so I can be match fit in time :Dhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006L7O8E/qid=1131108949/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/202-5687792-2141461

Don't fancy the laundry bit though :(

Think the NOOL day is a great idea, want to go, willing to contribute/ assist as necessary

gulp, I've got a lump in my..ehem, throat

If any of you are in the TA, could you bring some of the nice tea with "extras" for our man barney's here?

Having the 1st NOOL day in the Manchester area makes sense alright - I'll probably not be able to go tho' - child no.4 arrives early January (hopefully!), so i can't see me getting out of Dublin on an overnight for at least 6 months after that - priorities.

Never say never tho

You know I been so busy gobshiting and getting excited about the apollo, I forgot to mention the obvious skill i can bring to this. If there are to be live bands, I'll gladly engineer, or, if better engineers are available, I have no major ego blocks on being a cable monkey. I'll do anything (except monitors obviously, I'm not a total fruitloop). Could even drag me PC over and do a bloody good live recording. I'm sure Re:order and Digital both have their own engineers, maybe they'll take it in turns to deal with "other ranks", if not, I'd be yer man.

Steve, yer in! We don't have a sound man, and have to rely on the in-house guy if there is one.

Havent read thru the whole thread so apologies if this has been suggested but we getting one or other or both of Re~Order & Digital to play? kick off the festivities after (presumably the footie) then dj madchester tunes until the early hours!! jobs a goodun

oldmonkey wrote: Steve, yer in! We don't have a sound man, and have to rely on the in-house guy if there is one.

Gawd 'elp ya's...I'd rather mix on stage than trust half those chimps :)

When time comes nearer, we'll work out what the venue's got and what we need to beg/steal/borrow or (gulp) hire.

I work for standard pubsound wages too :) ie my glass is never empty, makes me extremely cheap for the first few hours when all hell is breaking loose, round about 30p an hour.....but by closing time you may find Arthur Baker would have been cheaper :) No point mixing for pissed ears when yer sober as i always say...usually before falling over taking the desk and fx rack with me.

^ Joke...I've only ever done anything remotely like that once.

Ramble alert!!!!! ...and that at a gig where all me rich and gary were all simultaneously on what risk assessors may refer to as "a hundred year bender". You know the night's gonna go bad when, half way through the first tune, you grab your smuggled half bottle of Bush, only to realise you've already necked it all. We had to cut short our set cos we overran bigstyle. I begged the geezer runnin the place to let me fire up the beasts again later and play out our killer closing tune. By the time that came around, rich and gary were unconcious, I soldiered on (mainly automated tune anyway), stodd on the output leads from the mixer, reconnected them, and crashed the atari. Never let your gob write cheques yer ass can't cash. On the upside of that night, part of the reason we'd overran is cos we'd played in a track inolving me and some other geezers, singing the word "nosebeast" in falsetto voices over a disturbed D-B groove.....it's possibly the single stupidest thing I've ever recorded, I don't think we stop laughing the whole time we recorded it, or the whole time we played it out (which was a spur of the moment thing, and involved playing it in from a 4-track while I furiously kneaded the 7-band eq on it, and fucked about with the pitch).....right up until Rich tapped me and said "look out there" ...the place was fucking bouncing....it looked like a pistols gig, people were pogo-ing and moshing, and bouncing off each other and the walls, and a few ppl happily trance dancing amid it all. I stil don't believe it, the other guys who recorded the thing with me don't believe it, but it happened. Wiped the smile off my face nearly as fast as the night my anti-happy-hardcore protest tune made people in the arts college dance on tables. Wankers, I demand they look aghast and throw stuff.

as long as it doesn't clash with the date for the 2006 European Cup Final coz i'll be in Paris

DoN wrote: Havent read thru the whole thread so apologies if this has been suggested but we getting one or other or both of Re~Order & Digital to play? kick off the festivities after (presumably the footie) then dj madchester tunes until the early hours!! jobs a goodun

That was the plan, we'll have to see if Digital fancy it or not. May be a long way from London!

Well if you don't get Hooky...or Pickering..or Haslam...or anyone Hacienda related....I'm sure that lovely Monty would love to do a DJ set! I'm sure he comes cheap....some would argue if he comes at all!!

monty wrote: Well if you don't get Hooky...or Pickering..or Haslam...or anyone Hacienda related....I'm sure that lovely Monty would love to do a DJ set! I'm sure he comes cheap....some would argue if he comes at all!!

monty disco would be a must of course !! . as long as it doesn't mean the expected manchester disco before then dont fall away

OOH NO! I'm going to be booking that in the next few days.I've not been able to get on Star & Garter's website for couple of weeks.I'm going to hammer the credit card and get it booked about January hopefully.Watch this space folks. It's a shame I couldn't have booked it sooner,I could have handed out some flyers tomorrow at the Apollo. See ya tomorrow,Grant.We're gonna drink Manchester DRY!!!!

For the footy...

Corby boys are in for a shock. Aint that right John S!

How big is the Manchester Order's center forward?

And he aint our hardest player by a long shot...seriously.

We'll stroll it...

Barney Army wrote: For the footy...

Corby boys are in for a shock. Aint that right John S!

How big is the Manchester Order's center forward?

And he aint our hardest player by a long shot...seriously.

We'll stroll it...

Fooking 'ell Nick, you've certainly got some imposing looking lads on your side, some of them make Peter Crouch look like a short arse. We are confident our brain will triumph over your brawn anyway. "I said the harder they come the harder they fall one and all." :D.

John Sludden wrote:

Barney Army wrote: For the footy...

Corby boys are in for a shock. Aint that right John S!

How big is the Manchester Order's center forward?

And he aint our hardest player by a long shot...seriously.

We'll stroll it...

Fooking 'ell Nick, you've certainly got some imposing looking lads on your side, some of them make Peter Crouch look like a short arse. We are confident our brain will triumph over your brawn anyway. "I said the harder they come the harder they fall one and all." :D.

Barney's Army footie team did look like big bruisers last night John..

an event like this deserves to be honoured with a suitable venue,nad im sure rocKet miCK would back me up on this. CHORLEY TOWN HALL. im serious,chorley is loaded with pubs,plenty of places to stay,its smack bang in the middle of brittain,and the order played one of their first gigs there. the town hall has a VERY big ball romm and the idea of hooky djing fills me with glee. if you need any contributions,time ect get in touch,if we compare prices ect on venues and such we can make arrangements. on a side note,pick a date and stick to it,you will never be able to please everybody so people will either have to work around it or wait for the next un.

Count me in. If I can get the proper software and printer in time, I would love to do some poster/artwork design, as well. I bet Clockwork C would like to, as well!

mike powell wrote: an event like this deserves to be honoured with a suitable venue,nad im sure rocKet miCK would back me up on this. CHORLEY TOWN HALL. im serious,chorley is loaded with pubs,plenty of places to stay,its smack bang in the middle of brittain,and the order played one of their first gigs there. the town hall has a VERY big ball romm and the idea of hooky djing fills me with glee. if you need any contributions,time ect get in touch,if we compare prices ect on venues and such we can make arrangements. on a side note,pick a date and stick to it,you will never be able to please everybody so people will either have to work around it or wait for the next un.

How the fuck do I travel to Chorley? And where is Chorley on the map? Is it anywhere by the sea? I know, I suck. Even managed to get lost in my own fookin city yesterday. Will Rocket let me spend the night at his house then (NOT WHAT YOU THINK, sinners!!)? I don't do ironing though. But I can order a pizza and check out the local delivery boys.

Maya,Chorley's about an hour on the train from Manchester Piccadilly to Blackpool North.Never been there at night though,so I can't comment on the pubs.

mike powell wrote: an event like this deserves to be honoured with a suitable venue,nad im sure rocKet miCK would back me up on this. CHORLEY TOWN HALL. im serious,chorley is loaded with pubs,plenty of places to stay,its smack bang in the middle of brittain,and the order played one of their first gigs there. the town hall has a VERY big ball romm and the idea of hooky djing fills me with glee. if you need any contributions,time ect get in touch,if we compare prices ect on venues and such we can make arrangements. on a side note,pick a date and stick to it,you will never be able to please everybody so people will either have to work around it or wait for the next un.

keep going mate -- you could add more to that. youve also got chorley cakes and starsailor aint you

More chance of it being in Corby than there is Chorley!

Don't mind doing the catering side; as long as it's not in London! In fact, I don't mind doing it at all, as long as it's in Solihull and at a push, Brum, but the latter being the case, I want security OK? A Stoke flag alone, should do the trick!

I still think we should put it somewhere fucking daft so we all get equally fucked over. Like the Only time NO got to go to the Hacienda Birthday bash.....and they held it in Holland.

With no more gigs on the horizon maybe time to start sorting this out?

Maybe best to start with the basics?

Date: I'd be happy letting the 'ardcore sort out a few dates then put it down to a vote for everyone else. Unfortunately it's not gonna suit everyone but can anyone else think of a better way?

Location: Probably London is best, more to do, and probably cheaper for those/any coming from abroad.

Oh, and when is Spotty over here? At the risk of sounding a soft-arse maybe we should schedule it for then, without this site (apart from the Vikings) we'd all just have gone to the gigs with our mates and not had the pleasure of meeting other New Order fans from all over the world.

One last thing, I've lost my bravado about the football now, after a poor showing on Weds. Although our team was sporting bruised ribs,toes,elbows.. sore calfs,thighs (one buttock) and a collective hangover to slay an army. All in a good cause though.

AND... could it coinicide with the Release of Community 2?

Barney Army wrote:

Location: Probably London is best, more to do, and probably cheaper for those/any coming from abroad.

Amen to that, Nick! It would cost me a fookin bomb if I had to travel anywhere further especially cause there are no flights from Belgrade direct to any city in England apart from London. Mind the foreigners peeps please, after all it's easier for you to travel your own country.

EDIT: this is for Barney Armey

I'm with you on all of that, except the London bit. For once it' not a "what a pile of cunts southerners are" (can't say that for a while anyway since the London order were such a pleasant lot), but rather because London is Gouge City. SO expensive. Somewhere NEAR London could be just as convenient, and might not involve being bent double over the counter and having your trousers removed for each purchase. "London:world's largest M'way services".

I'm thinking Rockall, Rathlin Island, Douglas, truro, somewhere feckin stupid.Portmerion would be cool,but would be SO expensive, and full of prisoner fans, not all of whom are as descerning as myself in musical terms :)

in seriousness tho, the considerations are.......

access to a 5-a-side facility access to copious amounts of alocohol access to a stage with lights (maybe even with sound too, as long as the housemonkey keeps his paws off), somewhere that gets used as a full on club would be ideal because it will have correctly installed decks (fucking essential if you ever want to HEAR certain early NO efforts). Also it needs to be somewhere that we don't get fucked out in the street at 1am or some shite like that.

Reckon the reality, will be at least 2 venues in one town, which might not be bad. The footballers could go do their thing while myself, such members of bands as can be found, the rest of the wimps prepare the evening's entertainments.

incidentally....any of you chaps work in a sound hire firm or know anyone who does? That could come in rather handy :)

NObabe wrote:

Barney Army wrote:

Location: Probably London is best, more to do, and probably cheaper for those/any coming from abroad.

Amen to that, Nick! It would cost me a fookin bomb if I had to travel anywhere further especially cause there are no flights from Belgrade direct to any city in England apart from London. Mind the foreigners peeps please, after all it's easier for you to travel your own country.

Shouldn't be too hard to sort out an internal flight to most other UK cities for next to nothing. However, that's a good point you're making. As I was/am suggesting somewhere near to London, just to get out of the capital City rip off zone, maybe a coach/minibuss could be hired or something and used as a find-the-gig-mobile/field ambulance.

I dunno, maybe I'm, overcomplicating things, maybe it's not like that any more, but the last time we looked into doing shows in London, we were just STUNNED at how much it would cost. We could have run a week of shows in one of Belfast's better efforts for the same money it would cost to do a quick 2 band gig in a medium pub-venue in London.

kinda hoping Digital and Re:Order will have all the know how on that.

Besides Maya, after flying in from Belgrade, any internal journey will be a mere hop :)

Steve Campbell wrote: Besides Maya, after flying in from Belgrade, any internal journey will be a mere hop :)

Trust me Steve, you wouldn't want to know the average serbian salary converted into english pounds! But as I'm not being a moaning bitch I'll stick to whatever you lot decide and see what I can do.

you're probably not much skinter than me my dear :)

Also worth remembering that what you spend on travel, may be recouped on lower cost of drink and facilities.

the real shitter for me is forking out to have my passport renewed so I can fly like a grownup instead of killing myself on the coach again....coach from Belfast-scotland-London? how about fuck off :)

NObabe wrote: Trust me Steve, you wouldn't want to know the average serbian salary converted into english pounds!

You're right. You must earn fuck all in those Siberian Mines.

Steve Campbell wrote: I still think we should put it somewhere fucking daft so we all get equally fucked over. Like the Only time NO got to go to the Hacienda Birthday bash.....and they held it in Holland.

Is there a suggestion in there? If so, it sounds like a good one

it wasn't but now you mention it. hmmmmmmmm

It would certainly make it easier to get shitefaced without worrying about having to leave early with Her Majesty's gentlemen.

on the other hand, if we talk the tribute bands into playing, as it is, I'm the only guy with a problem, It's a laptop, a bass and a cable bag on a plane.....move the whole shebang to the Dam, and those poor sods have to move instruments, backline, the lot.

Still here's dreaming :)

Holland? That's me out then.

Maya, pet, be cool, it's not gonna be in Holland. We were just musing that such a location would be convenient for certain persons who prefer other methods of getting loaded than good old booze. Look at it this way,however skint you are...I'm on friggin benefits, and what ever you have to lug with you from Belgrade, I'll have the same AND cables and a laptop (maybe even a full computer) to get from belfast. SO I'll not be wanting anything too tricky either.

We aint gonna have it without you chick :)

Steve Campbell wrote: Maya, pet, be cool, it's not gonna be in Holland. We were just musing that such a location would be convenient for certain persons who prefer other methods of getting loaded than good old booze. Look at it this way,however skint you are...I'm on friggin benefits, and what ever you have to lug with you from Belgrade, I'll have the same AND cables and a laptop (maybe even a full computer) to get from belfast. SO I'll not be wanting anything too tricky either.

We aint gonna have it without you chick :)

Aw! The thing is I’m just being skint when outside this mad country, while here I earn pretty well to be a rich bitch, haha. Most of you would look like bloody millionaires here with things being so much cheaper than over there except for adidas yeah. Bought me Adidas Supergirl Pants in London for ₤25 (3,000 dinars at that time) came back here and went to Adidas shop, holy fuck, the same piece was almost 3,700 din. Fookin rip off I say!!! Will also have to take a a loan from the bank but that’s okay really. And I already have my connections (so to speak) in the UK Embassy ---- mmmm, that Brit guy who will sign for my visa (V-I-S-A <--------- that is exactly where you and I differ my friend)he’s so damn cute, hope he’s there when I come to visit him again , fingers crossed!! Shouldn’t really be a problem now that I’ve already been there and came back on the day that I said I would. Might only need a proof that I’m going to a NOOL day, haha (but I kid you not!!!). On a serious note, maybe I’ll even get Tim as a moderator of this forum to write some kinda invitation or something and send them a fax but that only if he’s willing to. Shouldn't cost him a thing, mind!!! Shit, that would be treated as an international call too but he could always do that from work, hee hee. But will email Tim about it when the time comes if necessary.

Till then,

I'd think since you;ve had a UK visa befoe and were a good little girl they'll be ok about giving you another one. What do they rip you off for it but?

Just do what I do and stuff a couple of complex looking cables in your pocket and claim you're "with sound for this gig and if I don;t get there there wont be a gig (large eyes and blubbing)", works a treat :)

So we actually should start thinking about where. Seriously (for the first time in my life?), somewhere near enough to Londond to make getting there easy, but far enough out to not be in the capital high price zone. Unless you guys can think of a suitable alternative. We need to know if we are indeed having bands/DJ's, and most importantly and least pleasantly, we'll need to work out how much cash we're going to need to front between us. I mean with bands alone, we may only need 50 quids worth of mics and cables by using an in-house rig, OR we may suddenly find ourselves hiring 400 bill's worth of decent rig (that brings vans into the equation too). Same deal with the 5 a side....is this a knock about in the park or an organised indoor match/tournament that will require the block booking of a leisure centre. The booze up....will they want a room deposit or will they take our assurance that $BIGNUM vikings can sink a profit for them. Details like the fact that singer X likes shure and singer Y always uses AKG we can thrash out (of them) nearer the time. but we should, as soon as possible work out how much the sod's gonna cost and whether everyone will be expected to pay a bit into the kitty in advance or whether a few people are gonna underwrite it and charge an entrance (trouble with that is, if we have bands and so on, they aint gonna wanna pay to play, but a kitty deposit will sit easier).

PS if we actually Do get any bands, and they happen to be used to working with a monitor engineer, let me know asap so I can think of an illness to keep me away from that job, or the whole thing ( shudder). I don't mind mixong monitors from Front of House, cos if you shout "look you donkey, you can't have your guitar AND your vocal both up louder in the monitor, basic law of physics, now put up and shut up", down the talkback, you;ve a much higher chance of living through it from out there than if you;re up there in guitar swinging distance.

Steve Campbell wrote: I'd think since you;ve had a UK visa befoe and were a good little girl they'll be ok about giving you another one. What do they rip you off for it but?

₤40! Bastards!

For the priviledge of visiting England, good God. I wonder if you get money off if you only come to Northern Ireland.

Mayhaps we should have it in Belgrade :)

Steve Campbell wrote: For the priviledge of visiting England, good God. I wonder if you get money off if you only come to Northern Ireland.

Mayhaps we should have it in Belgrade :)

Well in case that ever happens, you'll be the 1st (out of 10) on the list to stay over at my apartment. :p

That what you're currently thinking of, it's a SIN!!

I look nowt like bernard so I think it'll all be Godly :)

NObabe wrote:

That what you're currently thinking of, it's a SIN!!

Man there better be some 'original sinning' going on or it's going to be hard to justify flying over. ;)

Im sure there will be- 'I see danger on the corner sent by me'

What is the capital mark up like these days? Like I said somewhere above, last time we looked into doig some shows in London it scared the hell out of us, would have cost a fortune for venue, PA hire, beds, the lot. Then again, maybe that's only the town centre, which is why i've been thinking somewhere NEAR london but not in it.

(actually it's all a big scam, I'm waiting from someone to suggest somewhere out by Woking direction so I can do NOOL day and my War of the Worlds walk (following the martians up the thames valley from Weybridge) all at once :D )

I think someone mentioned doing it in an out of season holiday camp, that would be excellent, we could make a weekend of it :)

We gotta get something cooking at least to give us an idea of what we're up against.

I can do all the technical organisation from here. I just need told where we're doing it, what they have there, and who's providing music. Stage plans would be handy if any of our beloved tribute bands are coming (that's a little drawing of where y'all stand and what shit you have/monitors you want).

I can do equipment booking and the like by phone. If we end up with 2 or 3 bands plus a coupla DJ's, it'll give me something to do while you buggers play 5-a-side.

How many other non footballers will be attending....you've just been hired as sound crew (and stand in musicians for soundchecking too). I accept females too so no simpering "oooh i'm a girl" chicks.

I know it's several months away but the more we sort out early the more chance we have of fixing problems.

I have a serious dilemma, will try not to post on this subject till I finally make up my mind. Scared that if I go to Manc Aid then I'll probably miss a good gig sometime later in the year. Shit!

NObabe wrote: I have a serious dilemma, will try not to post on this subject till I finally make up my mind. Scared that if I go to Manc Aid then I'll probably miss a good gig sometime later in the year. Shit!

Well if you have money to make it to manc aid, when's the earliest you can have anything saved up again? I doubt NO will be coming out to play much before late spring/early summer (if recent years are anything to go by).

that's sort of why I'm thinking logistics this far in advance. If we have a broad idea of the cost of a venue, the cost of any gear we need, and how much accomodation will be, then we'll be able to work out things like whether or not it'll be cheap enough for a couple of the members to underwrite and we sell tickets to recoup that, OR whether it'll be so expensive that we'll need to take deposits, from everyone beforehand. I don't really want anything to do with sorting money out (never give the cashbox to the guy on the dole:) ), bands ( if we have any) give me riders, I phone people, I get an estimate :) But I've organised events before (tho not an almighty pyjama party for 100 or so New Order maniacs). The trickiest bit to sort out will be accomodation. we could leave it up to people to find themselves somewher near the pissup, but it would be nice, as has been discussed to be able to do it "in house".

The Ideal situation in my view, please feel free to point out I'm mental if you so reason. An out of season holiday camp/convention centre type thing. Somewhere with a bar big enough to put music on, an open space to play 5-a-side for all you nutters (I'm assuming that if an actual pitch is not available, that jumpers for goalposts would do), and accomodation either on site or tied in nearby. A holiday camp might be affordable, i dunno....but aren;t conference centre places fucking expensive as they exist purely to fleece managment scum?

And organised to co-incide with a New Order gig. while this was not originally in the plan, for the likes of our lady of Serbia here, it makes sense, to terminate multiple avians with a single projectile. the perfect solution would be a NO gig on a saturday...we could arrive friday afternoon, do most of our NOOL hanging out on Friday night, do our bands and stuff. then Saturday could be (more?) 5 a side and drinking, followed by NO, we'd HAVE somewhere for the NOOL afterparty (and we can invite the band who wont come out of fear :) ), then sunday is hangovers, coffee and homeward bound in the evening.

the second best option would be a town or area that has the 3 essentials (music venue, sports venue and beds) in proximity and within budget, and with it being a few days either side of NO gig, so that people can stay on if they are from far flung shores (and I'm sure some of the UK noolers could take someone on the sofa for a day or two if long hotel or hostel stays are prohibitively pricey.)

the only thing about trying to arrange it round NO, (apart from it being contrary to the stated purpose ouf the event, which was a chance for us to all hang out with the inconvenience of having to fuck off to see NO at some point), is that they aren't big on advance notice these days. Look at the Apollo and Brixton, that was what 3 and a half weeks notice? And evet of this nature can't be set up quickly in such a way thatit'll work for everyone, getting it right for all of us from all over, could take time.

Chris Nash wrote: I won't be playing football Steve, so I'm happy to help with the set up and twang a few guitars

yer hired and as long as you know what "shut the fuck up" means, it'll be a breeze :)

sorry, just being utterly and totally stressed!

NObabe wrote:

sorry, just being utterly and totally stressed!

Be mellow dear lady. You and the other far away members will not be forgotten. After my short but semi-lethal journey to Manc, I understand what any of you will have to do to get here.

Steve Campbell wrote: We gotta get something cooking at least to give us an idea of what we're up against.

I can do all the technical organisation from here. I just need told where we're doing it, what they have there, and who's providing music. Stage plans would be handy if any of our beloved tribute bands are coming (that's a little drawing of where y'all stand and what shit you have/monitors you want).

I can do equipment booking and the like by phone. If we end up with 2 or 3 bands plus a coupla DJ's, it'll give me something to do while you buggers play 5-a-side.

How many other non footballers will be attending....you've just been hired as sound crew (and stand in musicians for soundchecking too). I accept females too so no simpering "oooh i'm a girl" chicks.

I know it's several months away but the more we sort out early the more chance we have of fixing problems.

Depending on where and when I can help out with some kit / engineering / donkey work. I have an 18 track mixing desk which we use live, shed loads of amps and speakers etc that can be used. I might even get up and sing a song or two if you want.

Biggest questions now then are where and when. Obviously a lot of us will be in town for the Manchester gig on 28th January, which isn't far away and doesn't give us much time to get things organised. It's FA Cup weekend, so Man Utd may well be at home (and thus all the hotels full of travelling Man U fans - we won't know until the 1st Saturday in January).

If we can hire a suitable venue for the day/night (hard pushed to get a suitably central and equipped venue I would suspect at this stage, let alone costly). Plus the fact that we would all want to be at the Order gig rather than our own! Having the event on a Friday is a non-starter with people travelling to the location all day long, we can't all assume that everyone will be able to get time off work.

Much as it would be tempting to try and co-ordinate the event with the Manchester gig in January, I think that it would be too much too soon. Far better to try and go for Easter Bank Holiday Monday, at a time when the majority of people are on holiday. If we were determined to go for somewhere like Manchester, we could probably hire one of the student venues like Jabez Clegg at a decent rate (many students will be on vacation over Easter, thus hitting their profits).

I can't guarantee that Digital will play (as much as I would like to) as there are three others in the band, all of whom like the comfort blanket of the M25 - I can guarantee that I will be happy to get up on stage and do solo stuff though!

Should we have a poll on location?

If you are looking at Jabez Clegg I know a guy that used to run it, so he could get a price.

Dave's got some PA, this is good. the desk will definitely cut the mustard I'd think (if we DO get any of this lot to play, and they need more than 18 channels, I'll start shooting members until we get the numbers down). What about Flight themselves?

I can see all the stray bits of bands making up one almighty NOOL supregroup at this rate. Let's face it that would work as well as any group of old jazzers sitting round playing Stella by Starlight (also known, if played indoors, as Bella by Barlight), we all know the material backwards.

Then again....a CD autochanger stacked with their entire catalogue and a few choice boots might just do the trick :)

ACTUALLY, you know what would be a great half way house on the music.....all of us with the know how, start getting good renditions of the various NO MIDI's together, then all we need is a mic, an ipod/mp3player/lapper and a bassamp and we can do the maddest karaoke ever, and everyone can have a crack.

Karaoke is the cheesiest tackiest thing on earth

fookin SUPERB idea Steve !!

If it's in London, I'll more than gladly attend!

Aye, see karoke only sucks when the vocalists in the pub lack the talent of those on the oringal recording. And while i'm sure none of use could beat Barney on a good take, we just have to beat the barney we know and love in reailty, which basically means that as long as you know what song yer doing you're on a winner.

the bassplaying bit i'm not so sure about, it'll be a tossup between people like me who'll worry about playing it, and not worry about looking like a prick, and those who are determined to play it like Hooky.An offical event chiropracter may be essential. I suppose we could let guitarists play along too.....but the sight of so many of them (for they do outnumber all other musicians put together 10 to 1) in one place, will almost certainly send me postal.

28th Jan is my 40th birthday so I think the family will want to do something. BH mon sounds good and if it's in Mancland then it won't be too difficult to take a mixer, PA Bass Amp, guitar amp etc along for all to use. Someone will need to bring drums though as I'm too scared to take the Roland kit out of the studio.

Steve, if you want a Flight set we will of course do it although this might bore those who want more than a few JD / NO songs.

Tim, if Flight do it and Digital are not there you are welcome to join in with us fora set.

Steve Campbell wrote: ...the maddest karaoke ever, and everyone can have a crack

We'll need a long pole with a hook on the end.

BIGINOIL wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: ...the maddest karaoke ever, and everyone can have a crack

We'll need a long pole with a hook on the end.

What, no electrified cattle prods then :D

I'm bringing a 12 gauge loaded with salt (unless any drunk scots take the stand in which case I'll have to break out elephant slugs, just to get a reaction)

Don;t ask me who I want playing, I am not the entertainments manager round here, I think that's errrrr all of us probably.

I'm just a cable monkey with O'levels.

oldmonkey wrote: Having the event on a Friday is a non-starter with people travelling to the location all day long, we can't all assume that everyone will be able to get time off work.

Far better to try and go for Easter Bank Holiday Monday, at a time when the majority of people are on holiday.

I would have thought that the Bank Holiday Monday would make it difficult for people who have to go to work the next day - particularly if they have to travel a long way eg London!

If it were to be the Bank Holiday weekend then surely it would make sense to have it on one of the three other days, when most people will not have to go to work the next day, and so could maybe stay the night?!

well thats a good point for those from futher fields staying the night. which i will be one of anytime easter because no late bus to where i live any public holiday's. but i suppose not everyone will be happy whenever it is :)

I know you all been through this but I cant get my head round why this cant be done on Sat/Sun so that we can get our hang overs out the way before back to work tues and do family stuff good friday and easter monday. But I can get time off so I aint complaining and I am determined to make this as I cant go to Manc aid due to a holiday, I gonna see what my fella wants to do and hopefully bring him along to meet all you nutters and see what all the fuss is about!! Im up for the Kareeoke BRING IT ON

Easter Sunday is a no-go, unfortunately, even with the recent changes to the licensing laws. We can try for Easter Saturday, but I suspect that Jabez Clegg may be unavailable that day, which takes us back to having to source a suitable venue.

I'll do some digging and report back in due course.

if we dont go with Jabez on Easter Monday I reckon this thing will fall apart.

It'll never suit everyone unfortunately.

btw. I voted 'June' & 'Mainland Europe' :(

Ye of little faith.....

He's got a point tho. :) don't mind me I'm a panicker :D

How has he? More danger of bands not being able to do the Monday, and people not wanting to attend on the Monday because they are back at work on the Tuesday. I'm starting to think that it will be best on the Saturday - will have to see what we can come up with.