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I didn't go to this gig (as I was only 15
) but I have a bootleg of it and I really like versions of As It Is When It Was/ Ruined in A Day/Everyone Everywhere..
Can anyone (who DID see NO in Reading 93') shed any light on this gig for me please? - specially if it was raining that day?
I guess "Republicans" would say it was great? Would it be one of their better performances?
Please share your view!!
I remember it being on the radio shortly after the fact, and I remember I had to go to the studio and do something or other that night, and I remember being trailed bodily by our drummer, away from my hi-fi and towards a waiting cab screaming "but you don't understand, they've learned to play I tell you, learned to PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
A veritable Stoater of a gig.
Was it 93 or 92?.. My memory is going.
It wasn't raining as far as i can remember. Barney came on and said something like 'we are New Order, and we're not splitting up' (and then they did lol)
It wasn't the best gig i remember them doing; they were better at Reading in 1989, just after releasing Technique. There was too much Republic stuff in it.
Barney did use the couplet in True Faith - 'When i was a very small boy, Michael Jackson played with me' though.
Wasn't it not long after Barney got hospitalised in Chicago for a while cos of his drug problems?
I do remember that the New Order story got shown that night too, for the first time, which kept again going on about them not splitting up, in between Bono being a c___
Aye, that was probably the darkest point in NO's career; in fact you could probably put that exact point as that very night.
Remember standing way back from the stage.Unthinkable now.It has to be right down the front OR NOTHING!
twas a very nice day. I had a head full of Stella & Poppers.
Little did I know they were the ingredients for Gods headache.
but yeh, a very tight gig.
But not suprising the amount of tapes they used.
Burt Reynolds wrote: Was it 93 or 92?.. My memory is going.
It wasn't raining as far as i can remember. Barney came on and said something like 'we are New Order, and we're not splitting up' (and then they did lol)
Wasn't that what he said in '89?
Burt Reynolds wrote: Was it 93 or 92?.. My memory is going.
It wasn't raining as far as i can remember. Barney came on and said something like 'we are New Order, and we're not splitting up' (and then they did lol)
It wasn't the best gig i remember them doing; they were better at Reading in 1989, just after releasing Technique. There was too much Republic stuff in it.
Barney did use the couplet in True Faith - 'When i was a very small boy, Michael Jackson played with me' though.
That were '89 when he said we're not splitting so I remember.
hibster wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Was it 93 or 92?.. My memory is going.
It wasn't raining as far as i can remember. Barney came on and said something like 'we are New Order, and we're not splitting up' (and then they did lol)
Wasn't that what he said in '89?
Yeah you're right, i think that was '89. What did Barney say in '93 regarding the much anticipated break-up? Along the lines of "Don't believe what you read in the papers" cue mass cheering, then he countered with something like "Even if i've said it" to put us on a downer again. Wasn't this the last time they played TPK?
Everyone rants and raves about this gig on here, but it's always the people on here who were never there. Not one of their better gigs at all. Yes, they'd learned to play a bit but the mood was downcast and I'm sure most people here thought they've never seen 'em again after. Setlist is, basically, shit as well. Only bright moments in the opening salvo are Regret (which hadn't achieved 'classic' status then) and Round & Round (woo!). They don't get going till the final four 'hits' and the encore's immediately forgetful too. I just think if you compare the sort-of set they did at Brixton (opening with the likes of Ceremony and Love Vig) then what they're doing now winds hands-down.
And, as John says, last time we got Perfect Kiss but also last time we got the original BLT and True Faith. I've said it was like a wake on here before, the death of those songs kinda confirms it.
Only highlight was the crowd (as usual) and the craic beforehand. Remember this as the first really big meet of New Order heads who knew each other from earlier gigs. Me there with my lot, James Thomas and gang, the Pompey boys, the Welsh Order and, of course, Alex The Red and everyone who knows him (and a lot of people know him!)
Oh, and who's bright idea was it to schedule New Order Story's TV debut on ITV at the same time New Order were on stage that night! Sheer genius, not.
I wasn't there in '93 but have watched the film of it (Cheers Digital Mike). It was a very tight but cold performance IMO. Compare that to '89 which I was present at the difference in mood of the band is perfectly clear. Less tight performance but one of my faves and they did enjoy it.
Barney Army wrote: twas a very nice day. I had a head full of Stella & Poppers.
Little did I know they were the ingredients for Gods headache.
but yeh, a very tight gig.
But not suprising the amount of tapes they used.
I always think back to an interview I read with Steve Morris circa 1987 in an Aussie rock magazine(which, unfortunately, no longer exists)called RAM done by a guy called Jon Casimir. It was a bit of a tech-orientated article where Steve gets asked about how some of the songs came into being, thier current gear and the like. The issue of using tapes gets mentioned and Steve makes the quip about there being too many reels of tape to change at each gig if those rumours were true. He also quipped that they(NO) could always do up and sell an instrumental CD of themselves so fans could go out and do thier own NO gigs and just sing over the backing CD instead of the band touring(I suspect that Steve may have heard of Kraftwerk's idea of sending out robots to do multiple "gigs" which would all be centrally controlled from Kling Klang Studio in Dusseldorf{Kraftwerk's home base}). We should be referring to the use of samplers/sequencers/hard drives these days instead of using the anachronistic term "tapes". By 1993, I would say that NO's tech gear would have had some pretty sophistocated sequencer/sampler hardware amongst it that would be capable of replaying some of the more difficult to reproduce stuff off the Republic album(including the female backing vox, Barney's own doubled-up vocals and at least some of the bass parts that Hooky never recorded that were either done on Republic by Barney or Stephen Hague).
My first No gig, and down to that fact it will stay with me forever. I never expected it to go as mental as it did when Regret kicked in after RIADay. I lost the shirt i was wearing...lucky i had my barcoded t-shirt on underneath. My highlight had to be Dream Attack! Very tight and loved Barney's guitar at the end. Shame they didnt air DAttack on the Radio 1 broadcast, but luckily since managed to get a copy of this from EZTorrent. The Michael JAckson quip and "dont believe what you read in the papers" was about all we got out of Barney in terms of banter. I have been to much better gigs with better setlits since but that one surely got my neck hairs standing up.
It was a very strange gig - espescially after all the stuff in the press (End of the Road etc...)
You could tell none of them were talking to each other, still, I enjoyed the gig and it was a lovely sunny day cos we spent most of it at a beer tent, the only fcuker was them Dinasour Jr fans stomping all over me new trainers - I may have mentioned that before!!! :D Someone else mentioned 'cold' that's near to the mark - they played a tight set that couldnae really be faulted.
Them leaving the stage to que sara didnae help 
Yup, I think it was probably the most disappointing NO gig I've ever been to (but then again I've only been to 16). I remember a lack of cohesion amongst the group also. There were three guitar songs roughly in the middle (Everyone Everywhere was one of them) that got lost in the mix; I dont know what they sounded like on the bootleg.
The other memory was taking three hours to get out of the car park the next day. Grrr.
Makes Brixton last week all the more refreshing.
Burt Reynolds wrote:
The other memory was taking three hours to get out of the car park the next day. Grrr.
That sounds familiar. Like trying to get out of Cardiff after seeing a game at the Millenium stadium.
No rain, just overcast. A lot of love for 'As It Is' but by this point I was toast after copious amounts of 'Teachers' during Dinosaur Jnr. Said hello to Justine and Donna from Elastica who were both goin' positively ape for it all. Several days later The Evening Session relayed extended highlights and it sounded very tight less the fact that everything were to be laid to rest at this point - did Hooky cry during mixing duties?
Remember falling into London just after two am and watched NewOrder story which someone had kindly set the video to. Only then did the penny finally drop.
And fcuk me! Day tickets on the gate too. A Touch. Did anyone dig The Lemonheads earlier on?
This was my first NO gig. All I can really remember through hash and beer eyes, was beautiful sunshine all day. Alex with his skeleton. Being right at the front of stage near Hooky and having a fucking superb time. Oh yes, and the backstage passes which enabled me to piss in the next toilet to Gillian. My only claim to fame I'm afraid!!
Shergold Six wrote:
Barney Army wrote: twas a very nice day. I had a head full of Stella & Poppers.
Little did I know they were the ingredients for Gods headache.
but yeh, a very tight gig.
But not suprising the amount of tapes they used.
I always think back to an interview I read with Steve Morris circa 1987 in an Aussie rock magazine(which, unfortunately, no longer exists)called RAM done by a guy called Jon Casimir. It was a bit of a tech-orientated article where Steve gets asked about how some of the songs came into being, thier current gear and the like. The issue of using tapes gets mentioned and Steve makes the quip about there being too many reels of tape to change at each gig if those rumours were true. He also quipped that they(NO) could always do up and sell an instrumental CD of themselves so fans could go out and do thier own NO gigs and just sing over the backing CD instead of the band touring(I suspect that Steve may have heard of Kraftwerk's idea of sending out robots to do multiple "gigs" which would all be centrally controlled from Kling Klang Studio in Dusseldorf{Kraftwerk's home base}). We should be referring to the use of samplers/sequencers/hard drives these days instead of using the anachronistic term "tapes". By 1993, I would say that NO's tech gear would have had some pretty sophistocated sequencer/sampler hardware amongst it that would be capable of replaying some of the more difficult to reproduce stuff off the Republic album(including the female backing vox, Barney's own doubled-up vocals and at least some of the bass parts that Hooky never recorded that were either done on Republic by Barney or Stephen Hague).
In that respect I think this prbably was the last gig that was truly played live by both carbon and silicon musicians. Didn't the 98 shows use SOME playback? Still it wasn't until 2001 that they became a karoke band :)
And a tape, by any other name is still a con.
