Books - JD/NO mentions...

The first book that popped into my mind at this hour was the one by Julian Cope, Head On, seeing as how the Teardrops did some gigs with JD back in the day. Haven't read the whole thing in a couple of years, but I did quickly find mention of the YMCA gig that they played with JD, the Bunnymen, and Essential Logic. Cope writes that he bumped into Ian afterward. "He had this deep sad Iggy Pop lament quality when he sang, but he spoke in the most gentle high-pitched Manchester accent. I couldn't reconcile two such different characters in one man".

Seeing as how I think it was Dave McCulloch who wrote that it was the Teardrops who dedicated a song to Ian that fateful Sunday night while they were playing in Scotland, I'm quite sure there's a passage about Ian's death as well. Looks like I'll be reading Mr. Cope tonight.

I recall glancing through the graphic novel of "The Crow" in a bookstore and spotting a number of JD references, such as the full lyrics to Decades, chapter titles like "Dead Souls" and "A Means to an End," and characters with names like Albrecht. And it was chock full of Cure references also. I was tempted to buy it, but I'm poor.

Warsaw, Joy Division, and New Order are all briefly mentioned in Jon Savage's LONG but good book "England's Dreaming."

There's a novel called e-Males, by Allen Jarvis, that contains reference to New Order occasionally. You should all buy a copy, as it is rather good, and with all the extra royalties he gets he could then buy David Sultan's collection and keep it where it belongs !

Casuals in Walkmans!! Would you hit a man wearing headphones...

Originally posted by KnownPleasures There's a novel called e-Males, by Allen Jarvis, that contains reference to New Order occasionally. You should all buy a copy, as it is rather good, and with all the extra royalties he gets he could then buy David Sultan's collection and keep it where it belongs !

You will be please to know we have purchased this Al, after you told me I should ;) - Greg's going to read it first.

I've got a vague feeling Iain Banks mentions JD/NO in one of his books, but I'm damned if I can remember which one. Anyone?

Biographies: James (obviously), Billy Bragg. In fact almost everyone who was around in the '80's that had a book written about them.

Originally posted by Chris > Originally posted by Old Blue Casuals in Walkmans!! Would you hit a man wearing headphones...

Have done. Knocked one of his gold teeth out in doing so. Kept it as a souvenir - he didn't seem to want to pick it up afterwards...

But what happened to the Walkman? :)

mentioned in the Matthew Collin book 'Altered State: The story of ecstacy culture and acid house' also in Dave Haslam's 'Manchester, England' and Mick Middles 'Shaun Ryder: Happy Mondays, Black Grape and other traumas'.

wasn't there another Jon Savage book too???

Modulations: A History of Electronic Music - Throbbing Words on Sound Edited by Peter Shapiro newOrder get 2 mentions, both times as English Miserablists.

Generation Ecstasy - Simon Reynolds

Big mentions in OMD Biog "Messages". I also seem to remember a brief mention in "10 Imaginary Years" about The Cure (borrowed from a library several years ago, so don't quote me on that!).

welcome death of art ENGLAND'S DREAMING which is an excellent read!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick welcome death of art ENGLAND'S DREAMING which is an excellent read!

thats the fella! can always rely on the ROCKET.

i used to be 'the death of art spells the murder of artists' a few name changes ago. welcome 'death of art' you have excellent taste!

Originally posted by Chris Asking this for reference, but I'm currently reading Ian Johnston's book, 'Bad Seed' - the Nick Cave biography, and JD are mentioned twice in the first two chapters, even being accused of being, 'the only British band worth seeing at the time' or some such.Anyone got any other references please? JD/NO - I want to compile a list for my book. Thanks.

The other Nick Cave biography 'The Birthday Party and Other Epic Soundtracks'by Robert Brokenmouth also mentions Joy Division a few times and tells a funny little story about Mr. Cave's adventures in Greece at the Athens festival that the Birthday Party, New Order and The Fall played at. It also says that Factory were interested in signing the Birthday Party when they first came to Britain - not something I'd heard before.

Yep, found the passage by Julian about Ian. With support from Aztec Camera, the Teardrops played the Bungalow Bar. Apparently Tony Wilson called Bill Drummond with the news, and Julian announced it to the crowd who didn't seem to believe it. Also Julian sang the JD song Novelty over his own tune Sleeping Gas during the show.

A review and short analysis of New Order's first San Francisco show in November 1981 can be found in Greil Marcus's excellent book Ranters And Crowd Pleasers: Punk in Pop Music, 1977-92, though I think it's been retitled as In The Fascist Bathroom since its first release.

JD are mentioned in passing in P.J. O'Rourke's Holidays in Hell book (when he's describing a Polish DJ's extensive knowledge of popular music, "everything from Johnny Ace to Joy Division"). There are also some references to JD in the Clash bio "Last Gang in Town" (probably also in the reprint "Return of the Last Gang in Town" as well). The book Trainspotting also has a brief mention of JD, when Renton's talking about SLC going through his head while his mum is singing along to a television advertisment or something on the radio. There's some big, encyclopediac book at the local Books-A-Million ("Big Book of rock", perhaps? can't remember title) that has seperate sections devoted to Joy Division and New Order (the whole book is one page devoted to various artists). And Paul Cook mentions Ian Curtis and Morrissey being at one of the Pistols' Manchester gigs in '76 in an interview in John Lydon's autobio "Rotten".