Anyone noticed that Smithy plays a few familiar notes of She's Lost Control during the end of the super-extended 14 min. version of A Forest that appears on The Cure's Show video? I noticed this a while back when I got the video, but never thought to bring it up before.
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i have a bootleg of a forest that was from i believe sometime in 1991. anyways, she's lost control is definetly played during it. i have not heard it in a while, but i think it may have been torwards the end right before simon closes out the song on his bass.
on paris, end of 100 years, they played a bit of hendrix as well.
Its a nice tribute. At the risk of being bitched at Bobby aint a bad guitar player.
After spending this summer listening to NO boots and seeing the Cure I can say this. NO was a very experimental band live--gigs seemed like experiments or practices. The Cure is more of a polished and planned live set. No deviation from the plan except little guitary bits between songs.
Originally posted by twist Its a nice tribute. At the risk of being bitched at Bobby aint a bad guitar player.After spending this summer listening to NO boots and seeing the Cure I can say this. NO was a very experimental band live--gigs seemed like experiments or practices. The Cure is more of a polished and planned live set. No deviation from the plan except little guitary bits between songs.
How many NO concerts have you heard? 
Originally posted by Sítio do Pica-Pau Amarelo > Originally posted by twist> Its a nice tribute. At the risk of being bitched at Bobby aint a bad guitar player.> > After spending this summer listening to NO boots and seeing the Cure I can say this. NO was a very experimental band live--gigs seemed like experiments or practices. The Cure is more of a polished and planned live set. No deviation from the plan except little guitary bits between songs.
How many NO concerts have you heard? Come on, Julio, at the risk of starting another tired Cure vs. NO debate, The Cure just plays a more solid live set. It helps that the lead singer of one band can actually stay in tune (I wonder which one?).
let's face it, technically, New Order suck live but the pure emotion and energy is what produces the lasting memories, not their playing ability (except Hooky and Steven who are remarkable)..the Cure are i hate to admit, much better live than NewOrder. I have a great show from 85...Birmingham i believe, and they played a perfect set. Versions deviated slightly from album versions but the playing was dead on. NewOrder shows are riddled with mistakes and mostly unlistenable unless you want to hear Bernard talk about his penis.
The Cure gives a 2 hour show, various set lists and special shows with special setlists at moments. But they are ice cubes on stage...
New Order has energy on stage. Same f**** set list at each concert, and they rarely play more than 13-15 songs per concert...
Different bands, different stories.. all have ups and downs..
Back to the bit before about she's lost control - Robert Smith is a big JD fan (aparently not New Order though) and has played both the riff from lwtua and she's lost control at the end of a forest live (I have a tape from '87 where he plays both one after another). When I saw the Cure in 1992 the played the riff from slc at the end of a forest. Twas a glorious trainspotting moment I can tell you.
Originally posted by Spotnick 1) The Cure gives a 2 hour show, various set lists and special shows with special setlists at moments. But they are ice cubes on stage...2) New Order has energy on stage. Same f**** set list at each concert, and they rarely play more than 13-15 songs per concert...Different bands, different stories.. all have ups and downs..
totally agree - love em both
Bagsy enter this one !
The Cure aren't my favourite band by any means, but they do put together a technically proficent live show (though you might as well just listen to the records instead, particularly when they do their "three albums back to back" set), even if they are on stage far too long.
New Order are not technically proficient in a live context(how much of this is due to pre-gig intoxication I have never been sure), but were a far more tantalising live prospect until 1989, primarily because you never knew what was coming next, from one song to another. Since the adoption of the "same set every night" attitute they have become a bit of a sad parody of the live act they used to be, and while I will still get to every gig I can, they no longer have the live impact they used to as far as I am concerned.
Mind you, have you seen the bitching on the Bunnymen site about their world tour set ? Same set as they were doing in 1985 with the addition of two newer songs !
Originally posted by KnownPleasures Bagsy enter this one !The Cure aren't my favourite band by any means, but they do put together a technically proficent live show (though you might as well just listen to the records instead, particularly when they do their "three albums back to back" set), even if they are on stage far too long.New Order are not technically proficient in a live context(how much of this is due to pre-gig intoxication I have never been sure), but were a far more tantalising live prospect until 1989, primarily because you never knew what was coming next, from one song to another. Since the adoption of the "same set every night" attitute they have become a bit of a sad parody of the live act they used to be, and while I will still get to every gig I can, they no longer have the live impact they used to as far as I am concerned.Mind you, have you seen the bitching on the Bunnymen site about their world tour set ? Same set as they were doing in 1985 with the addition of two newer songs !
To be honest, if I was going to see the Bunnymen that's pretty much exactly what I'd want, but there you go......
(And just can't resist: The Cure are like Depeche Mode live - solid, technically perfect, 100% value-for-money. Even today, however, New Order are still pretty shambolic and have more adrenalin-inducing potency in, say, the first chord of "Regret" than either of the other two (both of whom I'm extremely fond of) have in their entire set(s). That said, when I saw Fat Bob & Co. circa Disintegration it was perhaps trhe most extreme and hysterical audience I'd ever been a part of. People cried and screamed throughout the whole thing, like it was the Beatles or summat. I got spat at several times for the heinous crime of wearing me massive Joe Bloggs flares and white 'Technique' t-shirt - it was 1989, I'm surrounded by 10,000 goths all dressed in black with back-combed hair and badly-applied make-up, and I was the freak. Er, go figure....... 
I know what you mean about the Bunnymen - the gripe appears to be that there are so many gems that they won't attempt live, and they've been trawling out the same live set for 15 years now. It wouldn't hurt them to throw in Simple Stuff or even Angels and Devils occasionally, they ain't exactly difficult to relearn !
Hum.. same set every night is fine with me, this only annoys people collecting bootlegs and people touring with them.
What is unexcusable though, is the same set on different nights in the same city...
Originally posted by Spotnick Hum.. same set every night is fine with me, this only annoys people collecting bootlegs and people touring with them.What is unexcusable though, is the same set on different nights in the same city...
I agree - three nights the same such as Brixton 01 is not good. Even the Sisters of Mercy, who were hampered by having to pre-program the set into Doktor Avalanche, managed to change their set around when they did two nights at the Lyceum in 1985.
I have an official live version of a Forest where they play a riff from "From Safety to Where". I'm sure it is either Show or In Orange on the laserdiscs.
Originally posted by martin fradley > Originally posted by KnownPleasures Bagsy enter this one !The Cure aren't my favourite band by any means, but they do put together a technically proficent live show (though you might as well just listen to the records instead, particularly when they do their "three albums back to back" set), even if they are on stage far too long.New Order are not technically proficient in a live context(how much of this is due to pre-gig intoxication I have never been sure), but were a far more tantalising live prospect until 1989, primarily because you never knew what was coming next, from one song to another. Since the adoption of the "same set every night" attitute they have become a bit of a sad parody of the live act they used to be, and while I will still get to every gig I can, they no longer have the live impact they used to as far as I am concerned.Mind you, have you seen the bitching on the Bunnymen site about their world tour set ? Same set as they were doing in 1985 with the addition of two newer songs !
To be honest, if I was going to see the Bunnymen that's pretty much exactly what I'd want, but there you go......
(And just can't resist: The Cure are like Depeche Mode live - solid, technically perfect, 100% value-for-money. Even today, however, New Order are still pretty shambolic and have more adrenalin-inducing potency in, say, the first chord of "Regret" than either of the other two (both of whom I'm extremely fond of) have in their entire set(s). That said, when I saw Fat Bob & Co. circa Disintegration it was perhaps trhe most extreme and hysterical audience I'd ever been a part of. People cried and screamed throughout the whole thing, like it was the Beatles or summat. I got spat at several times for the heinous crime of wearing me massive Joe Bloggs flares and white 'Technique' t-shirt - it was 1989, I'm surrounded by 10,000 goths all dressed in black with back-combed hair and badly-applied make-up, and I was the freak. Er, go figure.......
which venue was that at martin? i went on the technique & disintegration tours (ex girlfriend loved the cure)
funniest thing i remember was the keyboards coming unplugged at the bham nec for the cure & them not noticing for two songs! (saw the lead get pulled out accidentally & made a mental note about it)
It was Brum NEC - God knows which date 'cos they were so massive they played 4 or five nights there. I was only there 'cos there were two coachloads going from my poxy hometown just outside of Stoke (Market Drayton, birthplace of British Fascism, I'm afraid to say!!) and all my mates and all the girls I fancied were going, so what can you do?
I've seen The Cure since, and it was really tame in comparison: think they were hitting some kind of peak back then. Thier fans didn't seem to like my troosers, though, ugly goth bastards............
How many NO shows have I listened to????
Maybe 20. They range from 1981 to the last show at Old Trafford. I see a pattern of experimentation in the early years that is lacking since they got back together. Sure Brutal is a "new song" that never played in Manchester before but nothing ground breaking. Not like playing TPK for the first time. Now it appears that they are celebrating being together and playing their music for people who want to hear them.
Hopefully wifey and I will fly to the UK and see them next uyear or the next year or 16 years from now when the new album is released and gigged. Anyone have room for two colonials??:p
Originally posted by martin fradley It was Brum NEC - God knows which date 'cos they were so massive they played 4 or five nights there. I was only there 'cos there were two coachloads going from my poxy hometown just outside of Stoke (Market Drayton, birthplace of British Fascism, I'm afraid to say!!) and all my mates and all the girls I fancied were going, so what can you do?I've seen The Cure since, and it was really tame in comparison: think they were hitting some kind of peak back then. Thier fans didn't seem to like my troosers, though, ugly goth bastards............
only remember one show at the nec in 89 - they played a few did they? wonder if we were at same one - so (including fat bob) there would have been at least three new order fans there!
Originally posted by devastating dave > Originally posted by martin fradley> It was Brum NEC - God knows which date 'cos they were so massive they played 4 or five nights there. I was only there 'cos there were two coachloads going from my poxy hometown just outside of Stoke (Market Drayton, birthplace of British Fascism, I'm afraid to say!!) and all my mates and all the girls I fancied were going, so what can you do?> > I've seen The Cure since, and it was really tame in comparison: think they were hitting some kind of peak back then. Thier fans didn't seem to like my troosers, though, ugly goth bastards............
only remember one show at the nec in 89 - they played a few did they? wonder if we were at same one - so (including fat bob) there would have been at least three new order fans there!
Nah, they played at least four and maybe more....I'm sure a quick trawl through a reputable Cure website (if there is such a thing!) would confirm this. They announced two which sold out straight away, and then kept adding them. I remember all too clearly 'cos my Goth mates relentlessly gave me a hard time about how the Order could only play one night there unlike Blob and his Back-combed Barnet Army (and such things mattered in the fouth year of secondary school, I can tell you!!)
