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And here's 1984-5:

1984

WIM lists 840405 performance for Alabamahalle Munich Germany, not listed elsewhere.

WIM lists 840408 performance for Sonntage Berlin, not listed elsewhere.

WIM has "Palma" for the auditorium name in Valencia, Spain on 840706. WR has "Pacha". Interestingly enough, NOOL also has "Palma", so this is likely an error on the WR side.

The WIM site has a ghost listing for the 830720 Hacienda gig on the 84 page. :scratch:

1985

WR lists 850426 Canton, Hong Kong, which WIM doesn't have. I'm fairly sure that this performance has been sufficiently confirmed.

WIM lists the New Hall College, Cambridge gig as 850720. WR doesn't have this listed. However, it's more likely the date actually occured in June, given the evidence I've seen.

WIM lists Agora, Akron OH as 850805, which doesn't appear elsewhere (amended in my own WR mirror).

WIM lists Atlanta GA as 850811, which doesn't appear elsewhere (amended in my own WR mirror). The venue is unknown, although its likely this (like the GA gig in '86) was performed at the Fox Theatre.

WIM gives the date for the August Henry Kaiser Center Oakland CA date as 850820. WR gives 850819. GaoBest of NO taping fame supports the Aug 20th date, which is noted.

WIM gives the dates of Central London Polytechnic and Fulcrum Slouch as 851207 and 851208, respectively. WR has these as 851206 and 861207. The New Order Anthology CDs have Central London Poly as 851206 as well.

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The Munich gig appeared as a poster on ebay recently. No one bought it cos it was being sent flat after being mounted, so I doubt anyone would fancy postage on that!

I've got a ticket and poster for Hong Kong, so pretty sure they're correct.

Central Poly / Slough were the Friday and Saturday after the Hacienda which was, I believe, the 3rd and on a Tuesday so that would make them the [does calculations quickly] 7th and 8th, yes?

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Originally posted by The Happy One And here's 1984-5:1984WIM lists 840405 performance for Alabamahalle Munich Germany, not listed elsewhere.100% definitely took place.WIM lists 840408 performance for Sonntage Berlin, not listed elsewhere. the bane of my life....this is a bootleg compilation of the Berlin Metropol show 8 April 84 and some of Frankfurt, NOT a separate show. Told WR this at least twice !WIM has "Palma" for the auditorium name in Valencia, Spain on 840706. WR has "Pacha". Interestingly enough, NOOL also has "Palma", so this is likely an error on the WR side.it was Pacha. 100%The WIM site has a ghost listing for the 830720 Hacienda gig on the 84 page. :scratch: what do you expect from the Sultan of Bling ? he couldn't buy the Hacienda.1985WR lists 850426 Canton, Hong Kong, which WIM doesn't have. I'm fairly sure that this performance has been sufficiently confirmed.TrueWIM lists the New Hall College, Cambridge gig as 850720.WR doesn't have this listed. However, it's more likely the date actually occured in June, given the evidence I've seen.I think we can trust the support band more than Sultan ! Has anyone been in touch with the support band member who hosted the photos etc ?WIM lists Agora, Akron OH as 850805, which doesn't appear elsewhere (amended in my own WR mirror). Akron definitely 5 AugustWIM lists Atlanta GA as 850811, which doesn't appear elsewhere (amended in my own WR mirror). The venue is unknown, although its likely this (like the GA gig in '86) was performed at the Fox Theatre.still trying to validate this, have contact in Atlanta who was around at the timeWIM gives the date for the August Henry Kaiser Center Oakland CA date as 850820. WR gives 850819. GaoBest of NO taping fame supports the Aug 20th date, which is noted.it was the 20th. 100% definiteWIM gives the dates of Central London Polytechnic and Fulcrum Slouch as 851207 and 851208, respectively. WR has these as 851206 and 861207. The New Order Anthology CDs have Central London Poly as 851206 as well.CLP was 6 Dec, Slough 7 Dec. 100% guaranteed

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Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle Originally posted by The Happy OneCLP was 6 Dec, Slough 7 Dec. 100% guaranteed

Oh yeah, if the 3rd was a Tuesday then they were the 6th and 7th, weren't they?! Doh.

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Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle Originally posted by The Happy OneAnd here's 1984-5:

1984

WIM lists 840405 performance for Alabamahalle Munich Germany, not listed elsewhere. 100% definitely took place.

The WIMmies go up in front. One Love.

WIM lists 840408 performance for Sonntage Berlin, not listed elsewhere. the bane of my life....this is a bootleg compilation of the Berlin Metropol show 8 April 84 and some of Frankfurt, NOT a separate show. Told WR this at least twice !

The WR faithful start to boo loudly as their team falls behind 2-0.

WIM has "Palma" for the auditorium name in Valencia, Spain on 840706. WR has "Pacha". Interestingly enough, NOOL also has "Palma", so this is likely an error on the WR side. it was Pacha. 100%

Shockingly, the Water Rats respond by promptly sinking in a goal. We have a game. 2-1 WIM.

The WIM site has a ghost listing for the 830720 Hacienda gig on the 84 page. :scratch: what do you expect from the Sultan of Bling ? he couldn't buy the Hacienda.

WR awarded a goal in response to the sheer audacity behind their opponents latest attempt to try to pull a fast one. 2 all at the half.

1985

WR lists 850426 Canton, Hong Kong, which WIM doesn't have. I'm fairly sure that this performance has been sufficiently confirmed. True

The 'Rats have rallied from being behind 2-0 to take the lead in the opening minutes of the second half.

WIM lists the New Hall College, Cambridge gig as 850720. WR doesn't have this listed. However, it's more likely the date actually occured in June, given the evidence I've seen. I think we can trust the support band more than Sultan ! Has anyone been in touch with the support band member who hosted the photos etc ?

The 'Rats score yet again! They are on a roll, and have widened their lead to 4-2 over the faltering WIM crew.

WIM lists Agora, Akron OH as 850805, which doesn't appear elsewhere (amended in my own WR mirror). Akron definitely 5 August

But the Motion answer right back with one of their own. 4-3 WR.

WIM lists Atlanta GA as 850811, which doesn't appear elsewhere (amended in my own WR mirror). The venue is unknown, although its likely this (like the GA gig in '86) was performed at the Fox Theatre. still trying to validate this, have contact in Atlanta who was around at the time

And WIM ties it on a hotly contested play. The crowd itch to flood onto the pitch, but are restrained by the row of bobbies...tied up at 4 apiece.

WIM gives the date for the August Henry Kaiser Center Oakland CA date as 850820. WR gives 850819. GaoBest of NO taping fame supports the Aug 20th date, which is noted. it was the 20th. 100% definite

The mood turns ugly as WIM regain the lead with time running out. 'Rat hooligans get dragged out the stadium by the bushel.

WIM gives the dates of Central London Polytechnic and Fulcrum Slouch as 851207 and 851208, respectively. WR has these as 851206 and 861207. The New Order Anthology CDs have Central London Poly as 851206 as well. CLP was 6 Dec, Slough 7 Dec. 100% guaranteed

We are into stoppage play...the Motion prepare to celebrate their impending 3-0 series lead...an amazing turnaround, the Ratties pick up a pair in the final seconds and surge ahead of the World crew, taking the hard-earned 6-5 victory over their stunned opponents.

updates made...stay tuned for game 4 of this set. Will WR tie the series at 2-2, or will WIM regain their composure and go 3-1 over their rivals?

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If the referee will be Tim,Water is fuc*** :rofl:

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Originally posted by The Killing Moon If the referee will be Tim,Water is fuc*** :rofl:

What makes you say that ? I get on very well with Anthony. Just wish he'd action the updates a little more frequently !

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Do we have inconsistencies here as well?

I guess so.. thank you so much Sam for pointing them out.. I'm still waiting on Tim's database for most error corrections, but I did several over the years...

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The Happy One wrote: And here's 1984-5:

1984

WIM lists 840405 performance for Alabamahalle Munich Germany, not listed elsewhere.

WIM lists 840408 performance for Sonntage Berlin, not listed elsewhere.

WIM has "Palma" for the auditorium name in Valencia, Spain on 840706. WR has "Pacha". Interestingly enough, NOOL also has "Palma", so this is likely an error on the WR side.

The WIM site has a ghost listing for the 830720 Hacienda gig on the 84 page. :scratch:

1985

WR lists 850426 Canton, Hong Kong, which WIM doesn't have. I'm fairly sure that this performance has been sufficiently confirmed.

WIM lists the New Hall College, Cambridge gig as 850720. WR doesn't have this listed. However, it's more likely the date actually occured in June, given the evidence I've seen.

WIM lists Agora, Akron OH as 850805, which doesn't appear elsewhere (amended in my own WR mirror).

WIM lists Atlanta GA as 850811, which doesn't appear elsewhere (amended in my own WR mirror). The venue is unknown, although its likely this (like the GA gig in '86) was performed at the Fox Theatre.

WIM gives the date for the August Henry Kaiser Center Oakland CA date as 850820. WR gives 850819. GaoBest of NO taping fame supports the Aug 20th date, which is noted.

WIM gives the dates of Central London Polytechnic and Fulcrum Slouch as 851207 and 851208, respectively. WR has these as 851206 and 861207. The New Order Anthology CDs have Central London Poly as 851206 as well.

Will New Order Online at least list the Aug. 5, 1985 Akron Agora gig? I mean, the concert took place.

Contact Mike Shea of Alternative Press. He'll tell you how much he hated the concert and I'm sure he could send you an old issue of AP where he slags off the 10 song, 45 minute concert.

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The Atlanta 85 gig - we have the tape, date and the setlist, but have never confirmed the venue. Could this be the mysterious "Club D"? The tape box is in the same place as the others from the US 85 tour in Rob's lock-up, but sadly the box is empty. I've been trawling through page after page of Atlanta's music history but haven't yet managed to find anything linking to a "Club D", but hope springs eternal!

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