BrotherBusty

Its now become clear to me through the incessant reminders of Klumpy how effortlessly melodic ‘Side A’ of BrotherBusty is. I believe that on this album particularly, Barney’s genius-like gift for creating ‘sing-along’ tunes is brought to us in unparalleled spoonfuls. Does anyone agree that this is the case?, or, to put it another way, can anyone disagree that this ‘guitar’ side of BrotherBusty is the most ‘sing-along’ moment of their career?... I mean, who can put it on and not sing at the tops of their vocal chords to ‘Paraglider’, ‘Broken Pots’, ‘Way of Klumpy’ et al?!...

I say to the true NO fan... stick’ Side A’ of BrotherBusty on and within 11 seconds you’ll be singing for your supper whilst all around crows will be flying from their nests far up into the skyline.

‘Getting Things Ready’ comes a close range second but there seems to be something about BrotherBusty... it clings to your larynx like shit to a shovel.

Fabulous signature, Huntsy... :)

Funnily enough, I had never thought of BrotherMe in that perspective but, thinking how I sing out loud every tune (Who do you think you're talking too ?), and I mean 'loud', you're absolutely right.

I think you should start taking the medicine again Huntsman! Side 2 of Technopop for example is way more sing-alongable than side 1 of Brotherdud. Side 1 of Low-lites too for that matter is also streets ahead, and, if I may be so bold, your very own San Diego!!

Well, Huntsy, I don't ordinarily sing along, but my most sing-along line is not on Braverboots; it's "GUESS WHAT I"M GONNA DO TO YOU"

By the way, Huntsy, would you mind explaining why you put PCL at number 1? I know we recently agreed that it contains the undoubted all-time number 1 NO song, and also contains two other very fine things (AOC and 5#8*6) but it also contains some pretty low points, such as We All Stand Yawning. And I don't really understand the apparent widespread enthusiasm for The Village Idiot.

I don't really find Lowlife a singalong album bar maybe Subculture. The Muffsters right: side 2 technique=Sebby sing time

I find Beehive infectious beyond human belief and as such, sing out louder and with more enthusiasm than any other continuous album tracks. Its the build up of music and singing that is so subtle yet grabs you and by the time the Way of Klumpy's criscendo finally explodes onto the pitch it makes you want to belt your own mother to the floor. Technical Elite side 2 my arse. Running is an outstanding track but it makes you hum along nonchalantly without regard for your fellow man. Its only when Sergeant Disco springs to life with possibly the best ever NO lines of 'How can I, ever forget you you don't know, just what I've been through' do we feel inspired to spit at the microphone with joy... however, by the time the chorus hits home we're all wanting an early shower.

It is the completeness to Beehives Side A that starts and doesn't let go that does it for me...

deal with it.

(now pass me my medicine)

Originally posted by Patrick By the way, Huntsy, would you mind explaining why you put PCL at number 1? I know we recently agreed that it contains the undoubted all-time number 1 NO song, and also contains two other very fine things (AOC and 5#8*6) but it also contains some pretty low points, such as We All Stand Yawning. And I don't really understand the apparent widespread enthusiasm for The Village Idiot.

Pat cakes... PC&L was a very fucking difficult decision to make, and I was sick to my stomach in selecting the premier belter. Take 'Throw me a Bone', 'Age of Sexual Concensus', '6-6-6' AND the superb 'Village Idiot' on top of a healthy slab of them thickly sliced wholemeal string sounds off 'Your Silent Trumps' + 'Sheer Ecstasy' AND 'We Are STILL Standing (even though you've all gone home)' and you get a marvellous never to be repeated set of fucking crazy New Order original moments.

Too many other albums have far too many hills to climb. Fine Time scuppered Technical Lego for me, Low Light was my all-time fave but recently I've played the bastard to death and Brother Monkey has too many eggy moments on side tootsie. Getting Things Ready spoilt by Jam Death and Shithouse and Movement was abhorant. Republic, of course, only had 3 songs on it and the others were mere stocking fillers of the most horrible kind.

Originally posted by Huntsman I find Beehive infectious beyond human belief and as such, sing out louder and with more enthusiasm than any other continuous album tracks. Its the build up of music and singing that is so subtle yet grabs you and by the time the Way of Klumpy's criscendo finally explodes onto the pitch it makes you want to belt your own mother to the floor. Technical Elite side 2 my arse. Running is an outstanding track but it makes you hum along nonchalantly without regard for your fellow man. Its only when Sergeant Disco springs to life with possibly the best ever NO lines of 'How can I, ever forget you you don't know, just what I've been through' do we feel inspired to spit at the microphone with joy... however, by the time the chorus hits home we're all wanting an early shower.It is the completeness to Beehives Side A that starts and doesn't let go that does it for me... deal with it.(now pass me my medicine)

Well put it this way Huntsy, I could sing every Teccy speak side 2 song here and now, and I'd struggle beyond Paradise/Weirdo. Then I've always prefered more upbeat dancey singalongs. Had a listen to Procession/Mesh/Hurt this morning...what a fucking trio of songs that is as well...

Fucking beautiful aren't they. The USA Mini-album had them on and was one of the first pieces of NO I ever did grab my hands on. I just sat there listening to hit thinking... fucking hell what the fucking hells this.

Superb.

Sebbsy, just what is sang on Procession when the lady sings a slight backing about midway thorugh...

'Alone, Alone, Alone, Alone' or 'Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello'

???

Well, Huntsy, I'm relieved and delighted to learn that Low for Life lost out to Plastic Carton Lid only because you've listened to Lowest Lifer too many times. That restores my sense of rightness in the world.

Originally posted by Patrick Well, Huntsy, I'm relieved and delighted to learn that Low for Life lost out to Plastic Carton Lid only because you've listened to Lowest Lifer too many times. That restores my sense of rightness in the world.

Low-Life is the ULTIMATE NO album, without doubt. It contains all of the elements that drew me to them and this sentiment seems to be echoed throughout the land and, in lots of muso press.

Pesonally, I've gone back a few years to PC&L for now... as Leave me A Bankers Draft, The Village Idiot, Age of Consent, 6-6-6 etc. send shivers down my spine whereas the LL masters are possibly over used in my own minds eye.

With such predictability, come Christmas day I may have switched alliance to another. Tic-Tak Patty, ranks as a fine album in my books also and cannot understand why you poo poo it.

(quite sensible that)

Originally posted by Huntsman Sebbsy, just what is sang on Procession when the lady sings a slight backing about midway thorugh...'Alone, Alone, Alone, Alone'or'Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello'???

Alone..Its Gillian singing as well innit?

Procession is such a good track..It fluctuates between 1st 2nd and 3rd in my list of all time NO tunes

Same here SB... however I think that Leave Me Alone has now nudged above for me. There's something in Procession that is weird. I played it to a mate the other day after banging on about it and he just looked at me as if to say... shut your teeth.

1. Leave Me Out
2. Procession

and so on.

Yes, Huntsy, the high points on Pineapples Chickens and Loaves are undoubtedly higher, but the prospect of listening to the whole thing straight through is not that appealing. About Getting Off on a Technicality, I seem to have some kind of prejudice against it for some reason. Maybe my aversion to Vine and Dine is the explanation, but as I've said before, the overall upbeat mood may be the reason.

By the way, H, what exactly does the "quite sensible that" refer to?

Even the title, "Technique," coming after "Substance," seemed to be an acknowledgment of inferiority.

My sensible comment referenced my own sensible notes... which I thought was worth noting on its sensibility... and senses, truths even here.

Technique, for me, was a stunner for years and still is. Upbeat? - you saying Run, Dishcloth, VP and Attack of the Clones is upbeat?... Love elastic, Round the Bend and such... upbeat?.. mmmmm. I think its maybe the music that sounds pretty upbeat... but they were shit faced on e so that might explain it. It is the brightest NO album I admit... but what brightness!!!

You know, it still gives me a buzz talking to people around the world with the simplest click of my footswitch.

Okay, H, this weekend I will give both Technicalites and Braveheart repeated listenings so that I can have a thoroughly updated opinion to offer.

Footswitch?

Originally posted by Patrick Footswitch?

Mouse button.

I hadn't listened to My Brothers Hood for a while but I just did and side A is pretty damn fine. Tracks like 'Paddy's Rice' and 'As it was if it is when it might have been what it was and is if it's not then it is was' are genius.

Major, you have a talent for a comic turn of phrase that almost rivals Huntsy's. That's the second time you've made me laugh out loud (not as much as the first time though).

I listened to PC&L all day yesterday on the headphones. One song in particular, Ultraviolence, put me in a great Halloween mood..."Who saw those dark eyes..." Leave Me Alone is outstanding as are AOC, We All Stand (check Pumped FullaDrukqs for live confirmation) The village etc...The thing I don't understand is why they put The Beach on the album? I suppose at the time it was interesting but 5.8.6, Blue Monday and The Beach sound too similar to be included on the same album. The Beach is just Blue MOnday without lyrics....i.e. single material, not album filler. PC&L and Low-Life kinda parallel the shift from electronics to guitars the same way Republic and Get Ready do. PCL/Republic - electronics LL/GR - guitars I've simplified it a bit but it is noticable when listening to the albums.

The UK guys keep telling us that Blue Monday was/is actually not on the album; that it was only put on the US version.

That's right. Memory fully restored. It doesn't make sense to have BlueMonday and the Beach on the same recording. That reminds me of the Peter Hook interview i was "hooked" on last week when Hooky says he thinks it's a rip-off to include the singles on the album. In his words then, Republic and Get Ready will be HUGE RIP-OFFS.

Well, on GR at least I wouldn't want to have to be limited to the radio edit version of Crystal that was on the CD single; the album version is much better.

Originally posted by Patrick The UK guys keep telling us that Blue Monday was/is actually not on the album; that it was only put on the US version.

The cassette version here had BM & The Beach on it, just as only the cassette of Low Lights had the full version of TPK on it.

Okay, Huntsy, I listened to both Badgerhood and Tanktown last night while doing a little birthday celebrating. I confess that Technological sounds better than I give it credit for, but BiggerFood frankly sounds worse. That muddiness seems more pronounced on every listen. I don't really see the singalong aspect; how can you sing along when you can hardly hear the lyrics? Don't get me wrong; I like the songs, but the way they are mixed is horrible.

That's almost an outburst saying horrible for you that patty's cakes... I have duly noted that you never swear (which is yet another reason I believe you are over 30).

Anyways up down turnaround... cut the boys some slack kid... PC&L in 1983 Pat, that's 1983 on a budget of 3 bread loaves and a small bag of potatoes - muddy? horrible? it was a good while ago. Maybe, I fear, you have purchased a duff recording. My original vinyl sounds like a dreamboat (aahhh yes, vinyl - always better than stinky harsh cd). Very crunchy and packed with goodness like peanut buttery.

Can't believe that in all my years as a fan board I never realised that you stateside kettle chip generals were allowed Blue Chipday on this album... surely that only adds to the smell of the room!

You have in part misunderstood me, Huntsy. When I used the term "horrible" I was referring to Brotherhood, not PCL. Although the sound quality on PCL is far from perfect, the beauty of the three gems comes through. It's B'hood that's marred. I swear to myself, Huntsy, but I try not to let others hear.

Sorry about that cakey.. I got myself in a tiss and couldn't work out my own name.

I took on board your scurilous comments about Bro Show and listened carefully again to it last night whilst bombing to the football 5-a-side Huntsman thursday night love match. I do not know where you are coming from?... I trust your not piping the tunes through your now infamous PC of utter poo... play it on a decent 'Bose' system or Bang & Olufsen with the treble marginally higher than the bass and sit back and enjoy. All you'll hear is perfection... and if you don't... you should do.

Well, Huntsy, I confess my current mode of music listening is headphones (decent ones) plugged directly into a CD player. That configuration gives me no ability to adjust treble, bass, or anything other than volume.

By the way, Huntsy, I find that feeding the turtles is more entertaining than feeding birds.

I enjoy feeding fish also Pastie... I live on the beach, well, about 2 steps from it and sometimes (weather permitting) I trot along and throw a bag full of bread in the general direction of the sea. Occassionally, some of the segments don't get blow into our lass's hair and I'm hopeful that some urchins dine on stale breeder that we couldn't consume with our french fries (that's chips for the uk speakers).

by the way cakes... i tried to rifle through a load of old posts but couldn't dig up anything on your mysterious past-ie.

On the subject of feeding fish and turtles: my mother lives in Florida, and when I go to visit her, there is a boardwalk type place along a riverbank near the ocean where people go to throw bread bits to the turtles. The fish are much faster, and often bread that's intended for the turtles gets eaten by the fish instead. I didn't mean there were nuggets hidden in my old posts, Huntsy.

You'll have to let me know your old fellas address in Florida Space Cakes - I fancy stopping there for 4 weeks whilst I visit Disney's World. Me and our lass wouldn't mind meeting the real life Michale Mouse and Miniature Mouse.. I've got a gripe with Mick, in Steamboat William why did he not drive it into Huck Finn's house?... wasn't he on the same river?.. its just stupid he never grabbed the opportunity. I mean, Donald Ducks milk would have.. but he's always been far better.

I would like to go on the Back to the Future ride.. I've heard that recently Michael Joseph Fox-face is offering to sit with each customer when they go round as his flagging popularity has put him and his lass in an awkward position... they can no longer afford to keep their pets.

Oh well... I wonder where Pastie keeps the personal gems?

Michael J. Irritating has turned into a disease crusader, Huntsy. He would probably expect you to make a contribution to the Please Find a Cure Quickly for Michael's Disease Fund. I haven't seen Steamboat Willie in probably fifty or sixty years, Huntsy, so don't expect me to answer a quiz about it. Florida's a big state, Huntsy. Has it occurred to you, H, that there might be things about me that you'd rather not know?

they were the bits I was interested in. ;)

Originally posted by Huntsman You'll have to let me know your old fellas address in Florida Space Cakes - I fancy stopping there for 4 weeks whilst I visit Disney's World. Me and our lass wouldn't mind meeting the real life Michale Mouse and Miniature Mouse.. I would like to go on the Back to the Future ride.. I've heard that recently Michael Joseph Fox-face is offering to sit with each customer when they go round as his flagging popularity has put him and his lass in an awkward position... they can no longer afford to keep their pets.

Disney World's rubbish Hunts'

Like the possibility that I'm three feet tall, with green skin, seven eyes, and weigh 825 pounds? By the way, Huntsy, I listened to your song again this morning. It has a very nice melody. I take it from a prior comment that the non-singing male voice saying something like "How's that for a story" is not you but is instead some presumably well-known actor in a movie with a Kathleen Turner equivalent?

Patrick it is Kirstie Alley as sampled from Prince's Gold album. You know, some things I say are actually true.. I know its difficult to differentiate. I'm compiling a best of cd for Buster and Muffbox at the moment and would gladly send you one so that you didn't have to channel my hard work through your pipe.

SB - yes, I agree. I detest the very notion that a bloke can dress up as a mouse and in some way represent a cartoon character... the fact that Waco Jako is getting away with it is a real mystery.

Well, yes, Huntsy, having a CD would be far preferable to the current arrangement. I didn't doubt you when you said it was not Kathleen Turner but rather Kirstie Alley. Do I really know who that is, by the way? That's why I said "Kathleen Turner equivalent." But you are not saying Kirstie Alley is also the male voice, are you?

Originally posted by Patrick Well, yes, Huntsy, having a CD would be far preferable to the current arrangement.I didn't doubt you when you said it was not Kathleen Turner but rather Kirstie Alley. Do I really know who that is, by the way? That's why I said "Kathleen Turner equivalent." But you are not saying Kirstie Alley is also the male voice, are you?

Oh Patty dear Patty... thought I'd made myself quite clear. Okay all of the 'So what about this for a story' etc. bits are ALL Kirstie Alley of Cheers fame. Sometimes, to fit the space of time between bars I had to speed her up or slow her down. If she sounds a bit like a blokes its because she was slowed down a few pitches too many. Its definately her throughout. Everything else is me except for the rather complex guitar solos who were played by a mate of mine who is now quite famous.

Hope that explains things - if not, ask a policeman.

Okay, Huntsy, I think I understand now. It's really Humphrey Bogart everywhere and you've done amazing things with all those expensive machines you have for converting drawings into voices and voices into milkshakes. Why didn't you just say that?

Are you discounting the possibility that I'm really an alligator?

Funnily enough, I've always loved Kathleen Turner's voice and was a bit confused, a few years ago, hearing that Kristie Alley had a voice so close to Turner's...

Oh well, I had thought it was Huntsys 'slightly effeminate' voice doing the interludes...sorry bout that Huntsy..

Well, I never watched Cheers. Wasn't Ted Danson in Cheers? He was also in Body Heat, as was KT of course. So there you are.

Well, I never watched Cheers. Wasn't Ted Danson in Cheers? He was also in Body Heat, as was KT of course. So there you are.

I don't usually do that. Sorry.

All right, Huntsy, I admit it, there's one very important fact about Brotherhood that I had somehow managed to forget: YOU HAVE TO PLAY IT REALLY LOUD.

Originally posted by Patrick All right, Huntsy, I admit it, there's one very important fact about Brotherhood that I had somehow managed to forget: YOU HAVE TO PLAY IT REALLY LOUD.

hallelujah!

You see, Huntsy, when I'm wrong, I'm not afraid to admit it.

Welcome in the Brotherhood's brotherhood, Patrick... :)

Thanks, Klumpy.