Revenge Double CD

Latest e-mail from James Nice at LTM states that the Revenge compilation will be available on or around the 12th January.

Panic over, Alejo. It's business as usual.

I know next to nothing about this other project of Peter Hooks, so on a scale of 1-10, how does everyone rate Revenge's music? is it essential listening?

As with all the projects it lacks the Other Three (except The Other Two, who lacked the erm, Other Two).

Still, it wasn't bad stuff and filled a NO shaped void at the time. Non-essential, frankly, except perhaps "Jesus, I Love You" off the "Seven Reasons" single.

I'd give One True Passion 6/10.

Thanks for the info :) How many UK singles and albums were officially issued domestically - were any released in the US at the time?

UK:

Seven Reasons Pineapple Face Slave GunWorldPorn EP

One True Passion LP

I'm sure this stuff came out in the US (actually my CD of OTP is on Columbia I think).

Well, I actually prefer the tracks off the "Gun World Porn EP", especially "State Of Shock" - a class track!

l8rs,

Nick ;)

Originally posted by DreamsAlwaysEnd I know next to nothing about this other project of Peter Hooks, so on a scale of 1-10, how does everyone rate Revenge's music? is it essential listening?

the best Revenge track is about equal to the worst Electronic track. not sure why the very Nice Mr. James would want to rerelease this in a double disc set. the demand for this has to be severely limited. it would be tough to put out an EP of good songs from Revenge let alone a two disc set. LTM reissues are very nice but this is ridiculous. I pulled out the Gun World Porn US Promo Cassette i have and the Pineapple Face 12" to make sure it was as poor as i remember and YES IT WAS...maybe even worse.

PS. If anyone needs a copy of the US 12" for Pineapple Face, i have 2. I'd also like to trade the Cassette Promo of Gun World Porn...only played 2 times and not once all the way through!!!

You might want to work on your sales pitch a little there BLT! :D

Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid > Originally posted by DreamsAlwaysEnd> I know next to nothing about this other project of Peter Hooks, so on a scale of 1-10, how does everyone rate Revenge's music? is it essential listening?

the best Revenge track is about equal to the worst Electronic track. not sure why the very Nice Mr. James would want to rerelease this in a double disc set. the demand for this has to be severely limited. it would be tough to put out an EP of good songs from Revenge let alone a two disc set. LTM reissues are very nice but this is ridiculous. I pulled out the Gun World Porn US Promo Cassette i have and the Pineapple Face 12" to make sure it was as poor as i remember and YES IT WAS...maybe even worse.

PS. If anyone needs a copy of the US 12" for Pineapple Face, i have 2. I'd also like to trade the Cassette Promo of Gun World Porn...only played 2 times and not once all the way through!!!

Hmmmmmm.... harsh words there...It doesn't appear as if anyone is too enthuisiastic about their work then. Not much recommendations by the looks of it. Perhaps I should just stick to adding to my new Order collection.

Originally posted by DreamsAlwaysEnd > Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid> > > > Originally posted by DreamsAlwaysEnd> > I know next to nothing about this other project of Peter Hooks, so on a scale of 1-10, how does everyone rate Revenge's music? is it essential listening?>

the best Revenge track is about equal to the worst Electronic track. not sure why the very Nice Mr. James would want to rerelease this in a double disc set. the demand for this has to be severely limited. it would be tough to put out an EP of good songs from Revenge let alone a two disc set. LTM reissues are very nice but this is ridiculous. I pulled out the Gun World Porn US Promo Cassette i have and the Pineapple Face 12" to make sure it was as poor as i remember and YES IT WAS...maybe even worse.

PS. If anyone needs a copy of the US 12" for Pineapple Face, i have 2. I'd also like to trade the Cassette Promo of Gun World Porn...only played 2 times and not once all the way through!!!

Hmmmmmm.... harsh words there...It doesn't appear as if anyone is too enthuisiastic about their work then. Not much recommendations by the looks of it. Perhaps I should just stick to adding to my new Order collection.

That goes w/out saying, but I think the Revenge re-release will be a nice set to have. I plan on picking one up.

The set has arrived today (great service from James Nice). Have yet to listen to it properly (and it's my first Revenge purchase!), but I did already find the surprise recording at the end of disc 2. I won't spoil it for any other receivers, but I can confirm that it is NOT a mystery Joy Division cover as was once suggested. Instead, keep those handkerchiefs ready!

Intrigued, will be listening to mine tonight (arrived this morning)!

l8rs,

Nick ;)

Hooky doing his best cringeworthy Voice-Over Man impression for the dedications at the end of disc one was a bit unnecessary, I thought...

That's what I was referring to... but I could have sworn it's at the end of disc 2. Maybe I've got a genuine collector's item? :D

I, too, would rather have had him doing a 15" (that's seconds, not inches) bass riff instead of reading out bleeding liner notes for 2 minutes.

Originally posted by little boy lost The set has arrived today (great service from James Nice). Have yet to listen to it properly (and it's my first Revenge purchase!), but I did already find the surprise recording at the end of disc 2. I won't spoil it for any other receivers, but I can confirm that it is NOT a mystery Joy Division cover as was once suggested. Instead, keep those handkerchiefs ready!

And it was only the other day that someone was saying they masturbated over Moby, over on the Behind Closed Doors forum ! The mind boggles.....

Originally posted by little boy lost That's what I was referring to... but I could have sworn it's at the end of disc 2. Maybe I've got a genuine collector's item? :DI, too, would rather have had him doing a 15" (that's seconds, not inches) bass riff instead of reading out bleeding liner notes for 2 minutes.

Sorry!! And there was I looking forward to some equally amusing nugget on disc 2...

BLEACHBOY was about the best Revenge track me thinks. That'd be a nice inclusion.

Originally posted by Chunks BLEACHBOY was about the best Revenge track me thinks. That'd be a nice inclusion.

It's on disc 2 - listening to it now! :)

Oh, and disc 2 also has the track "Hot Nights/Cool City", which is basically Bleachman!

l8rs,

Nick ;)

Interesting to read on the sleeve notes how just before the Irvine Meadows gig (which everyone now has the mixer of?!), New Order had a meeting and this was when Barney announced he was off to do his own thing. They then went to the gig in separate cars and got stuck in a traffic jam. Hooky's driver pointed out that it was actually New Order fans causing the jam, but all Hooky could think about was the fact that they'd just, in essence, split up!!

Yeah, concise though it is, I find it a pretty informative little booklet. And it puts that Irvine Meadows show in an entirely different perspective. Do you reckon Bernard's decision to announce his solo project had anything to do with the shattering news about Pete de Freitas?

Originally posted by Old Blue Interesting to read on the sleeve notes how just before the Irvine Meadows gig (which everyone now has the mixer of?!), New Order had a meeting and this was when Barney announced he was off to do his own thing. They then went to the gig in separate cars and got stuck in a traffic jam. Hooky's driver pointed out that it was actually New Order fans causing the jam, but all Hooky could think about was the fact that they'd just, in essence, split up!!

This sounds like a mix of two separate anecdotes. The traffic jam one stems from the Irvine show in 1986, it was in an NME interview around that time.

Yeah, Tony Wilson always goes on about what a defining moment it was to realise that they were "stuck in their own traffic jam". Maybe Hooky's memory is clouded, poor old geezer...

Got mine today too. It's pretty good, I think. I have all their original releases but it's still well worth-while, especially the disc 2 gems.

Not too keen on "Televive" but "The Wilding" gets going quite nicely. I also don't remember "State of Shock" being as good as it sounded just now. Although I was a little irritated by the fact that the original album is not only out of order (no pun intended) but not even on one disc, actually the sequencing works quite well. Listening to "It's Quiet" and "Run Wild" closing an album doesn't seem so unlikely!

I have to say the real rub for me has always been Hooky's singing. And some of his lyrical clunkers are worse than Barney's: "my way/skyway" (Deadbeat) and "I killed a man with a knife/kept it pure and simple for his kids and his wife" (Bleachman) are particularly bad, but "Slave" and "It's Quiet" have great lyrics.

Is it just me or does "Underworld" sound like UNKLE or something at the start? And if David Holmes had written "Pumpkin" it probably would have been used in some really cool soundtrack by now.

Well, I'm very satisfied, meself. And such a baragin too! Great start to the year, this.

I haven't listened to Revenge for years. They were never my favourite side-project. Great live. But I must say I'm really enjoying the songs again. Pineapple Face, Slave, Big Bang, Deadbeat, State Of Shock and 14K are all corkers.

I had the original on vinyl and on listening to the new CD, some of the (original album) tracks sound in edited or lengthened form? I'll have to give the vinyl a listen.

There's about 15 tracks/mixes I didn't already have - shame on me.

A BIG THUMBS UP

Is it my imagination, or are some of these slightly different mixes (e.g. Deadbeat, State Of Shock, etc)?

It could be down to the remastering process, but I'm hearing different bits to these songs - extra vocals, more guitar, etc...

As I say, it could be me, but nice all the same!

(Edit: This may indeed be the case - just noticed the Paradise Man's comments above!)

Listening to 'State Of Shock' - ace track!

l8rs,

Nick ;)

...well it seems that i'm the only REVENGE-supporter alive...got my copy of "One True Passion V2.0" today and i must say i still quite like the stuff. "Deadbeat", "State Of Shock", "14K", "7 Reasons"...top tracks, much better than most of the RaiseThePressure Electronic stuff, where "Soul" almost sounds like an Electronic-song. And for the two new tracks...not as good as the tracks that follow, sounds more like Monaco than Revenge...did anyone listen to Peter Hook after "It's Quiet" on the first disc? Nice one

Revenge never did a thing for me, sorry.

Can someone just tell me what the 'secret' addition on the end of this CD is, please???

(I quite liked Revenge, though when they were going any member of NO could've farted into a mic and I'd have though it was genius.....)

Originally posted by martin fradley Can someone just tell me what the 'secret' addition on the end of this CD is, please???(I quite liked Revenge, though when they were going any member of NO could've farted into a mic and I'd have though it was genius.....)

It is Hooky reading the liner notes out !

Originally posted by KnownPleasures Revenge never did a thing for me, sorry.

But have you secretly sent off for it ?

Originally posted by Casey Ryback > Originally posted by KnownPleasures Revenge never did a thing for me, sorry.

But have you secretly sent off for it ?

The fook I have. I've still never heard the second Monaco album, the Other Two's effort or the second and third Electronic noise, so I ain't gonna bother with this either !

Originally posted by KnownPleasures **> Originally posted by Casey Ryback> > > > Originally posted by Known>**Pleasures Revenge never did a thing for me, sorry.

But have you secretly sent off for it ?

The fook I have. I've still never heard the second Monaco album, the Other Two's effort or the second and third Electronic noise, so I ain't gonna bother with this either !

I wonder if Ian was still alive what solo stuff he'd push out. Probably a duet with Robert Smith with Bono on backing vox.

Or Genesis P.Orridge.

The Hooky diatribe in full

Sick bags at the ready...

Originally posted by Marco Pleil ...well it seems that i'm the only REVENGE-supporter alive...got my copy of "One True Passion V2.0" today and i must say i still quite like the stuff. "Deadbeat", "State Of Shock", "14K", "7 Reasons"...top tracks, much better than most of the RaiseThePressure Electronic stuff, where "Soul" almost sounds like an Electronic-song. And for the two new tracks...not as good as the tracks that follow, sounds more like Monaco than Revenge...did anyone listen to Peter Hook after "It's Quiet" on the first disc? Nice one

Well, you're not alone there. I've only ever heard 'Jesus... I Love You' up until receiving the new version of 'One True Passion' yesterday, and I really like this stuff. You can certainly date it at around the time of 'Technique' (much of the instrumentation reminds me of Steve and Gillian's 'Making Out' soundtrack), but I really like this stuff.

Where Electronic initially sounded like 'Technique' without Hooky, much of this Revenge stuff sounds like an extension of tracks like 'Guilty Partner'. Having said that, Peter Hook's low-down vocals get somewhat lost in the mix - he sounds much better on tracks such as 'Deadbeat'.

Anyone noticed Revenge's tendency to use the same synthesised string patch as could be heard in the eighties theme tune to the BBC series 'Casualty'? Wonder what synth had that sound...

As many people here know, I'm a New Order completist, but just a casual collector of the side projects - I normally just buy the albums by these offshoots. The only side-project albums I don't own are the 2nd Other Two CD and the 2nd Monaco album... Are these worth getting hold of at all?

Andy.

Originally posted by Nick King Is it my imagination, or are some of these slightly different mixes (e.g. Deadbeat, State Of Shock, etc)?It could be down to the remastering process, but I'm hearing different bits to these songs - extra vocals, more guitar, etc...As I say, it could be me, but nice all the same!(Edit: This may indeed be the case - just noticed the Paradise Man's comments above!) Listening to 'State Of Shock' - ace track! l8rs,Nick ;)

Well, it appears that the edited tracks are: Pineapple Face, Big Bang, Fag Hag, Cloud 9, State Of Shock and Deadbeat.

I agree, the remastering seems to have brought out more guitar sounds. Unless they've over-dubbed it. Soul sounds very much like a track I was working on at the time - did you nick my master tapes again Mr Hook?

Originally posted by The Paradise Man Well, it appears that the edited tracks are:Pineapple Face, Big Bang, Fag Hag, Cloud 9, State Of Shock and Deadbeat.I agree, the remastering seems to have brought out more guitar sounds. Unless they've over-dubbed it. Soul sounds very much like a track I was working on at the time - did you nick my master tapes again Mr Hook?

I've never owned the originals of these, but it does credit Hooky for 'editing' of the tracks in the sleeve. Does that mean the tracks you mentioned are clipped, 'Substance' style to fit on the discs?

Andy.

Originally posted by The Paradise Man > Originally posted by Nick King> Is it my imagination, or are some of these slightly different mixes (e.g. Deadbeat, State Of Shock, etc)?> > It could be down to the remastering process, but I'm hearing different bits to these songs - extra vocals, more guitar, etc...> > As I say, it could be me, but nice all the same!> > (Edit: This may indeed be the case - just noticed the Paradise Man's comments above!) > > > Listening to 'State Of Shock' - ace track! > > l8rs,> > > Nick ;)

Well, it appears that the edited tracks are: Pineapple Face, Big Bang, Fag Hag, Cloud 9, State Of Shock and Deadbeat.

I agree, the remastering seems to have brought out more guitar sounds. Unless they've over-dubbed it. Soul sounds very much like a track I was working on at the time - did you nick my master tapes again Mr Hook?

well...is it only the remastering ??? As i listened to the whole CD last afternoon i thought for example "Big Bang" hat a totally different arrangement than the "original" album-version, same as for "Deadbeat". And the "7 Reasons" version has a mastering-error at about 2 minutes into the song. did anyone else hear it ???

If you mean the "That's so nice, that" quote in "7 Reasons", that was on the original "One True Passion" - i.e. it's a demo version.

But, yeah, there's about 75 minutes of music on disc one, so maybe they were running out of space...?

Still, superb CD and well worth the money!

l8rs,

Nick ;)

I'm a bit upset to see my Belgian and German neighbours have already received theirs, and I haven't ! If it ain't in the post today, I'll have to ask Mr Nice nicely WTF it is

Someone is actually selling this cd on Ebay. Unbelievable. And he's charging more than James Nice!!

It's a lovely, brilliant package. All I can say is that I would much rather have seen the original OTP alkbum presented in its original running order on the first disc, then the b-sides and extras, then a second disc of the 'new stuff' (i.e. GWP + the 7 new songs, and maybe White Light/White Heat). Talking of WL/WH, has anybody uploaded an MP3 of this anywhere?

And "The Wilding" is so completely the ending of "As It Is, When It Was" I started singing a New Order song over the top.

Originally posted by Casey Ryback Someone is actually selling this cd on Ebay. Unbelievable. And he's charging more than James Nice!!

I wonder if you get the promo cd as well!!

Originally posted by Casey Ryback > Originally posted by Casey Ryback> Someone is actually selling this cd on Ebay. Unbelievable. And he's charging more than James Nice!!

I wonder if you get the promo cd as well!!

That'll be Sister Ray - the record shop in Berwick Street, London, so no promo CD!

l8rs,

Nick ;)

Originally posted by Nick King If you mean the "That's so nice, that" quote in "7 Reasons", that was on the original "One True Passion" - i.e. it's a demo version.But, yeah, there's about 75 minutes of music on disc one, so maybe they were running out of space...?Still, superb CD and well worth the money! l8rs,Nick ;)

No, i mean there's a scratching sound over the recording, pretty short but annoying. Try to get in around 2:00 minutes and you'll hear it, sounds like a digital master error...

Originally posted by mark reed It's a lovely, brilliant package. All I can say is that I would much rather have seen the original OTP alkbum presented in its original running order on the first disc, then the b-sides and extras, then a second disc of the 'new stuff' (i.e. GWP + the 7 new songs, and maybe White Light/White Heat). Talking of WL/WH, has anybody uploaded an MP3 of this anywhere?

Well, i've got the whole album where WL/WH is on...but you really don't miss nothing, very sloppily performed the track, sounds almost like a demo...cheers :bag:

Originally posted by KnownPleasures Revenge never did a thing for me, sorry.

Have to agree. I desperately wanted to like OTP b/c I was jonesing for a new NO record. But I could never really get into it.

I did think a few of the tracks off GWP were quite good. But both releases suffered from over production.

The fook I have. I've still never heard the second Monaco album, the Other Two's effort or the second and third Electronic noise, so I ain't gonna bother with this either

Really? I've never listened to the Other two (though somebody gave me a promo of the first one that I've had since the day it came out) or the second Monaco, but the Electronic albums actually get progressively better and by Twisted Tenderness you really get a blueprint for Get Ready. In fact, though I like a few songs on Get Ready, I think TT is a much better album all the way through.

As to this Revenge reissue, this truly preys on the reissue/nostalgia culture that's been created by the introduction of DVDs. There's no way this piece of sh*t record should ever have been reissued much less expanded upon.

i think it works better than the original arrangement-wise although there are some fucking terrible edits on there, especially during Cloud 9.

seems like its been done on the cheap for me, although its nice to hear the tracks again after so long.

Originally posted by Marco Pleil > Originally posted by Nick King> If you mean the "That's so nice, that" quote in "7 Reasons", that was on the original "One True Passion" - i.e. it's a demo version.> > But, yeah, there's about 75 minutes of music on disc one, so maybe they were running out of space...?> > Still, superb CD and well worth the money! > > l8rs,> > > Nick ;)

No, i mean there's a scratching sound over the recording, pretty short but annoying. Try to get in around 2:00 minutes and you'll hear it, sounds like a digital master error...

Oh yeah, see what you mean it's at about 1:56 minutes through the song...

Might be the demo tape - I'll have to listen to my original OTP to see if it's there?

l8rs,

Nick ;)

Originally posted by KnownPleasures **> Originally posted by Casey Ryback> > > > Originally posted by Known>**Pleasures Revenge never did a thing for me, sorry.

But have you secretly sent off for it ?

The fook I have. I've still never heard the second Monaco album, the Other Two's effort or the second and third Electronic noise, so I ain't gonna bother with this either !

Maybe you should give the third 'Electronic noise' a go ... I got Twisted Tenderness to start with, which I think is excellent. I then bought the first two, without prior listening, and these have been filed under Shite.

Originally posted by KnownPleasures **> Originally posted by Casey Ryback> > > > Originally posted by Known>**Pleasures Revenge never did a thing for me, sorry.

But have you secretly sent off for it ?

The fook I have. I've still never heard the second Monaco album, the Other Two's effort or the second and third Electronic noise, so I ain't gonna bother with this either !

Second OT album is a bit patchy - I hate the songs with Melanie Williams vocals, but the other stuff's quite good. Better than the first OT album, I reckon. There's a couple of really good instrumentals, plus a virtual note-for-note rip-off of Dubstar's "Stars".

Not too keen on the second Monaco album though. Lacked tunes.

Oh, I never realized that the Pickering/Park remix of Pineapple Face (unlisted track at the end of Disc 2) was promo-only...I had thought it was released on the standard version...or is the latest issue a longer version thereof?

I had nearly forgotten that ages ago I had dubbed in some samples...came out much better than I had anticipated, given the crudity of the equipment I was using at the time.

http://www.new-order.net/av/revenge-pf.mp3

I think Fag Hag is a great and very overlooked song, but possessing the most unfortunate title. One disappointment of its appearance on BCWYWF is that the intro bit "Oh we don't know where we're going and don't know where we've been, we're bald and ugly sailors headed out to sea" got cut. Was LTM unable to clear the rights for the sample?

--Sam

I think Fag Hag is a great and very overlooked song, but possessing the most unfortunate title. One disappointment of its appearance on BCWYWF is that the intro bit "Oh we don't know where we're going and don't know where we've been, we're bald and ugly sailors headed out to sea" got cut. Was LTM unable to clear the rights for the sample?

I emailed James Nice (to thank him for releasing this, of course) and asked him about this, but he said that Hooky was mostly responsible for assembling it, so he'd likely have the answer.

--Sam

Really pleased with the Revenge CD's & excellent value for a tenner.

Twisted Tenderness is a really superb track IMHO