How many times before could you tell Ian's raped again

A: If I listened long enough I'd hear it, a string would give. B: Your harp? What's all this about a harp? A: I once had a little harp. Be still and let me listen. B: How long are you going to stay like that? A: I can stay for hours listening to all the sounds. (They listen) B: What sounds? A: I don't know what they are. (Samuel Beckett; Rough For Theatre I)

This play reminds me of the protagonist in Herzog's film infamously linked to Curtis. I have remained silent for several years but the more I read the posts, topics, threads, whatever, the more crestfallen one gets. Go listen to the music - don't pick and pock and peck like vultures - pretending you SHARE the music. Dotting every i to death. And before you say - oh we all have something in common because we like JD - that's crap. Wake up and use the music - don't strip it away until you have nothing. Deconstructing Ian Curtis? Yeah - WHAT DOES IAN'S SOUL LOOK LIKE? Who cares? I don't.

Do pass the crack for others to share, my good man.

Hi, I'd just like to speak on behalf of others on the board with and "no, seriously "

gotta love your sense of imagination

For once in my life, I am speechless!!!!!

It is actually a valid point, once you get through the art-fart veneer in which it was shrouded. Just listen to the music, forget the myth, the legend, the writers, the times. Enjoy what you hear, leave it at that.

Hey we could almost start our own Canberra chapter of NOOL here. There are at least 2 others from Canberra who post here.

Anyway, I largely agree with you. It is easy to overanalyse JD & IC. As the band and especially Barney have repeatedly stated: The weren't serious (depressed) people, they liked to have fun get pissed etc.

I thought I was the only truly mental person round here.

Originally posted by Marty Smooth I thought I was the only truly mental person round here.

You are!

Oh good. :)

What's all this about Stroszek then?

listen to Denial - "Soul" comes up again. I'm actually creating a paradox here because in order for me to express an opinion I need to analyse and give examples- in a sense, raping the music to justify my position. Moreover, didn't the band themselves feel they were "prostitutes" of the music industry? Slowly being suffocated of their freedom to express? Compromising? Who cares. Listen to the music and when you've got a clear picture of what Ian's soul looks like - tell no-one. Of course, that doesn't mean to say say nothing... oh shit... alright I'll have another line.

Wait - SOUL has come to me again -

"I'll find my soul as I walk home" - TEMPTATION.

Oh it's the first time... five bucks to root Ian - the uncompromising virgin. Any other bidders? Wake up.

Iai.

Originally posted by Greg Parkin five bucks to root Ian

Never been that way inclined mate, but I'm sure there are a few who might take up this very kind offer.

That's my point - you speak as though he's alive - let him rest eh?

Stop looking for avenues that are f.cked in your life to correspond to that of The Late Ian.

is going on here?

Originally posted by Greg Parkin That's my point - you speak as though he's alive - let him rest eh?Stop looking for avenues that are f.cked in your life to correspond to that of The Late Ian.

It's better to talk about him rather than keeping quiet and letting him become forgotten

I think Greg Parkin has some issues...

... issues of "Psycho Monthly"

the lollipop goes to you Al.

Jeez - "avenues all lined with... Picture Me... Then You"

It's not hard.

Re-read the threads Al.

Heart and SOUL.

Greg, I think you'll find that - by and large - the attitude round here to Mr Curtis is that (a) he wasn't a very happy chappy, and (b) he was one quarter of a group that made some wonderful music. 'Owt else is just projection/speculation.

Sorry. As I mentioned earlier the paradox is inevitable.

Ok.

A sad tale a last time told:

When you've got Ian's soul can you wrap it up and mail it. Even better, when you have grasped the substance, essence, of JD NO can you bottle that too.

I'm sure NO are laughing at this site now. DO they care about it? Really? Gee! Wake up.

Watching forever?

No.

Listen to the music. Stop rooting it.

CYA

:p

Originally posted by Greg Parkin Sorry.As I mentioned earlier the paradox is inevitable.Ok.A sad tale a last time told:When you've got Ian's soul can you wrap it up and mail it. Even better, when you have grasped the substance, essence, of JD NO can you bottle that too.I'm sure NO are laughing at this site now. DO they care about it? Really?Gee! Wake up.Watching forever?No.Listen to the music. Stop rooting it.CYA :p

I think I get what you're saying (let Ian rest, the music's been discussed and kept from gathering dust for twenty-odd years, we're just keeping the myth of Ian alive), but you come off sort of counter-productive (mocking this forum for talking about Ian, but you yourself are talking about Ian yourself. Get what I'm saying? 'Cause I'm not sure I am...)

Anyway, don't be a stranger

Look Greg, this has to stop. Posting this stuff on here is not going to make me come back to you. You had your chance and you broke my heart (as well as a few other things), now leave me alone!

The only Soul round here is young Greg, who also goes under the psuedonym R.Soul.

Duh

Greg

You need therapy

Try Stella, instead of that week XXXX piss

G'day

Mike

maybe we should all just read more.

"Who needs reading when you've got porn"

(c) Major Tarantino 1980 - 20??

And I thought my thread about no & religion was a bit heavy. I have no idea what you are going on about. Are you saying people here are taking Curtis & his lyrics too serious, or not seriously enough, or do just want us to let him rest in peace?

Ah and stop reading Paul Morley.

i think he's saying that if we read more works by irish authors then we would be less up our own arses about ian curtis. ;)

"Existence-well what does it matter I exist on the best terms I can The past is now part of my future The present is well out of hand"

Taboo #7, you are right - but as I have acknowledged earlier the medium with which I'm given will only produce a paradox so bad luck to me.

The above is the last "Soul" example I can give. Most JD/NO fans know it- and by the looks most of you have decided which will burn.

Good luck to all. Didn't mean to offend - just thought it's a bit of a waste - that's all.

"For all to be accomplished, for me to feel less lonely, all that remained was to hope on the day of my execution there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should greet me with howls of execration"

• Albert Camus 'The Outsider'

Would Ian have liked this? Perhaps he read the book? Who the frig cares.

Get on with it.

All the best

:(

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by Greg Parkin> Sorry.> As I mentioned earlier the paradox is inevitable.> > > > > > > > > > :p

I think I get what you're saying (let Ian rest, the music's been discussed and kept from gathering dust for twenty-odd years, we're just keeping the myth of Ian alive), but you come off sort of counter-productive (mocking this forum for talking about Ian, but you yourself are talking about Ian yourself. Get what I'm saying? 'Cause I'm not sure I am...)

Anyway, don't be a stranger

In a nutshell.

Originally posted by Dee > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> > > > Originally posted by Greg Parkin> > Sorry.> > As I mentioned earlier the paradox is inevitable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :p>

I think I get what you're saying (let Ian rest, the music's been discussed and kept from gathering dust for twenty-odd years, we're just keeping the myth of Ian alive), but you come off sort of counter-productive (mocking this forum for talking about Ian, but you yourself are talking about Ian yourself. Get what I'm saying? 'Cause I'm not sure I am...)

Anyway, don't be a stranger

In a nutshell.

At last, I'm actually right about something..............yes, I'm scared to realize this as well

WHAT A BELL END THREAD- STARTING PILE OF SHIT. HATE ARTY FARTY MUSO FOOKS TALKING A PILE OF BALLS SO THAT THEY SEEM MUSICALLY INTELLIGENT WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE TRYING TO DIGUISE THEIR LACK OF PERSONALITY. HATE PEOPLE WHO BABBLE NONSENSE AND/OR ROMANTICISE ABOUT DEAD MUSICIANS,NOT IMPRESSED WITH THOSE WHO TALK NONSENSICAL MUSO DIRGE OUT OF THEIR ARSES.

HAVE YOU EVER KISSED A GIRL, SON?

Aye, a spade's a spade.

I imagine he is sitting in his bedsit right now talking psuedo intellectual balls to himself......

ffs jd/no are a bunch of musicians get a grip

Was entertaining reading, tho.

Best thread in awhile.

Just wait 'til he finishes his Sylvia Plath phase, then a bit of Kafka, a dash more Camus and a brief flirtation with Mishima . Moody ? Better believe it, and he's in sunny Canberra .... try a fortnight where I live mate, shit, nineteen of us , livin in a box on t'road. You are lucky

Originally posted by mike powell ffs jd/no are a bunch of musicians get a grip

yes thats right.

wtf is the thread really about?

fk knows really!

I enjoyed the wordplay meself, but then I'm just as dense as a James Michener paperback ( )

yeah I was shite at school. I think. Like a bit of word play but only under the category of 'imaginative swearwords'

] I enjoyed the wordplay meself, but then I'm just as dense as a James Michener paperback ( )

What do you have against James Michener?

Monks -it is music-it is influence and in the end it's a part of LIFE -not all of it:D

music is all-consuming..............

so is heroin apparently, and something's altered this guy's angles !

Or it could be something he's discovered thats far stronger. get to the back of the queue, i'm first!

it's kind of hard not to discuss ian curtis and joy division and especially all the shit ian went trough because of things like "touching from a distance" and the book included with "heart and soul" boxset. in a way, people are being invited to keep the ian curtis legend alive. fine by me, ian was a genius, but the music of joy division as a whole is what drew me to joy division, not just ian's lyrics. i wonder if thats why on most new order albums, the credits goes to "new order" and not sumner, gilbert, hook, morris etc... maybe they were trying to not pigeonhole themselves with having one members private life overshadow the whole group and most importantly the music?

The only shit Ian went through was his own.

Originally posted by Low-Life The only shit Ian went through was his own.

But he did indirectly put a good bit of it, at least in attitude, into his lyrics, so it's hard to separate the two.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by Low-Life The only shit Ian went through was his own.

But he did indirectly put a good bit of it, at least in attitude, into his lyrics, so it's hard to separate the two.

Very true indeed. I was railing more at the martyrdom joke that is too often waved around when people start discussing IC. Nobody made him fuck up but himself. Nobody made him sniff dry-cleaning fluid to trigger his epilepsy.

Originally posted by Low-Life > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > > Originally posted by Low-Life> The only shit Ian went through was his own.

But he did indirectly put a good bit of it, at least in attitude, into his lyrics, so it's hard to separate the two. Nobody made him sniff dry-cleaning fluid to trigger his epilepsy. Have you asked a doctor or medical person if that's possible? I can see it have some very altering mental effects and being very bad for you, as would huffing any solvent, but I'd be interested in what an epilepsy specialist (though certainly not Ian's useless ones) would say on the subject.

Yes I have actually. One of the side effects of ingesting the chemicals used in dry cleaning fluid, tetrachloroethylene, is an artificial raising of the blood temperature that can lead to seizure. There was also mention in Touching From A Distance about nursing homes - instruments may be steralised in Ethylene Oxide, a known seizure-causer. This would also go some way to explaining why the scans could find no brain lesions that would be a giveaway sign of epileptic activity. It has never been beyond the realms of possibility that his fascination with epilepsy led him to experiment with drugs that would enhance the chances of a seizure. Of course once the tripswitch had been set, it was easy to keep overloading the circuits.

Great threads - thus, there are no arguments. Can anyone who has reached the limit bother with arguments, causes, effects, moral considerations, and so forth? Of course not. For such a person there are only unmotivated motives for living. On the heights of despair, the passion for the absurd is the only thing that can still throw a demonic light on chaos. Spin your lard about me being on drugs etcetera - is it worth it? Or that I live in "sunny Canberra" - it actually snows here. Or that I'm talking some existentialist crap at the ceiling. Woooooo-hooooooo - spot on on all three! Splendid.

No - again one continues with the ordained:

There aren't many things better than listening to JD's Disorder or Ceremony and the tingle and uplpift one gets from it. Many people have claimed Ian was a genuis - no, he had a gift. And the constant crap and grasp of analysing, picking and pocking at Ian's "gift" only pushes it further from him - not us.

By all means p1ss on that gift.

Just don't do yourself in just yet. Unmotivated motives I like that.

Originally posted by Greg Parkin I'm sure NO are laughing at this site now. DO they care about it? Really?Gee! Wake up.Watching forever?No.:p

If the members of New Order didn't view and respect this site then Love Vigilantes would more than likely never have seen the light of day again in live performance. I'd say this is a fair reflection of how much this site may actually have made an impression--they have tailored certain elements of their live shows to reflect specific elements felt by members of this site.

Maybe one day you might be heard as well.

For fucks sake.. cheer up everyone!

its only audio entertainment :p

Don? I love you.

At the same time I adore everyone that has responded to this facade - "Ian's raped" - because "almost" every person that responded didn't throw Ian into a pit and proclaim, albeit a genius from some , or gifted from others, as a martyr. Apologies for the juxtaposition or inversion.

Again, the paradox is inevitable -

Moreover, apologies for the unintentional crap.

Again,

little beats listening to Disorder, Ceremony or Temptation.

The uplift one gets - well - get's one out of the

PIT.

Doesn't it?

:)