New Order and Nirvana Connection

Nirvana at Reading '92 was one of the best 3 gigs I've ever seen. Anyone who says that Kurt had no talent should try washing their ears out a bit more often...

i haven't listened to nirvana in years, but i've always liked them. i saw them for the first time in 1991, opening for dinosaur jr., in a club with about 200-300 other people. i had never heard of them before and they were great. lots of energy and the crowd were really up for it. nevermind came out a few months later....

anyway, the whole 'kurt is god' thing makes me cringe, but so does putting ian curtis on a pedestal. joy division were a better band, but so what? nirvana had some excellent tunes and i enjoyed them when they were around.

as for purchasing nirvana t-shirts in a mall--i've never done that myself, but joy division t-shirts on the other hand....

I liked Nirvana back in the day (when they were still in operation), but never understood the hype. As someone living within a certain proximity to the whole "Seattle scene," it all seemed damn silly. (See that decent documentary "Hype" for evidence of just how silly.) Anyway, I was never obsessed with them or anything (much more of a Pearl Jam man, myself), but they were fun to listen to. Then years went by and you can only hear the same stupid, simple little songs with stupid, simple lyrics so many times without wanting to kick something very, very hard. Now I can barely stand them, though my dad seems to have acquired a taste for 'em. Anyone who worships or even puts Cobain in the same league as Ian Curtis should seriously pull their head out.

I don't worship either of them, nor do they belong on pedestals but I'd put Kurt Cobain in the same league as Ian Curtis - and I've actually seen both of them. Nirvana's songs may be simple but then again so are Joy Division's and New order's and therein lies the beauty of them.

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by stEVErythings Gone Green> Probably gonna get a good text slapping for this but a good connection is after their frontmen both took their lives both bands remaining members made better music> > Nirvana - Foo Fighters> Joy Division - New Order

Krist Novoselic didn't make better music.... (just became) bitter about Courtney Love.

One in a long, long, line.

I've heard a lot worse than Nirvana, though I didn't ever buy their records, but I didn't blanch when their music was played at parties, though the knucklehead attitude of some of their 'fans', which apparently bothered Kurt alot, was offputting indeed.

What I like most was the Unplugged thing when he brought the Meat Puppets up to share a televised moment; remembering the hardcore days of 82-84 and having (some) drunken debates about whether or not the Kirkwood brothers brains were fried from either the Arizona sun or drugs made me laugh out loud, never thought I'd ever see 'em on tv that's for sure.

yeah...you might be right...Weirdo...once I watched it..it does have that "violet/blue" hue to it.

No matter what you people think...Nirvana spawned a new movement in music; whether you liked it or not, the band allowed other bands to come out of their shell and succeed!

Come on guys...!!! It got all that Hairband/glam band rubbish off the mtv airwaves!! You have to thank them for getting the Motley Crues, Poisons, Trixters, Warrants, Extremes, and others off the television!!! Anything was better than that crap!!

Black Hole Tears Apart Star

Courtney Love Shows Up For Court

Coincidence?

Nah, JD didn't start new wave any more than the Stiff Kittens started punk.

Originally posted by Major Tarantino come as you are has got a great easy to play bass riff

Come as you are rips the bassline from Killing Jokes '80's'

Cobain wrote some great songs, some lame ones too. He didn't just write lyrics like Curtis did.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis In fairness, Nirvana and Joy Division were entirely different animals.Joy Division in 1980 were little more than a cult band, not really known beyond their own country. Nirvana, on the other hand, were an international phenomenom embraced the world over. We'd be talking about Cobain whether he was still alive today, whereas with Curtis a lot of people probably took note - I'm as guilty as anyone - simply because he took his own life. It was a fantastic marketing ploy, though possibly a tad extreme.

Didn't Wilson once make a comment along the lines of Curtis' death being the best thing to happen to factory, though he later claimed it was taken out of context.Cobains'death was probably the best thing to happen to Nirvana as they'd already slipped into self indulgent wank mode.

Originally posted by The Paradise Man Curtis was far superior in all departments however.

I think KC was a better guitarist;)

I did like and continue to like Nirvana and I think in retrospect they, like Joy Division, suffer from the same misconception. Namely, that they, their music and fans were/are depressing and/or depressed. Now obviously both singers demises indicate a certain amount of depression, the music while heavy and serious makes me feel pretty alive (moreso in the case of JD). They were a great live band as well.

Also, on a personal level, it was kind of cool to see a band so much in the public eye (e.g. interviews w/ the big boys, award shows, etc.) that had alot of the same musical tastes/influences that I did at the time.

Originally posted by Pizda > Originally posted by Al Jarvis In fairness, Nirvana and Joy Division were entirely different animals.Joy Division in 1980 were little more than a cult band, not really known beyond their own country. Nirvana, on the other hand, were an international phenomenom embraced the world over. We'd be talking about Cobain whether he was still alive today, whereas with Curtis a lot of people probably took note - I'm as guilty as anyone - simply because he took his own life. It was a fantastic marketing ploy, though possibly a tad extreme.

Didn't Wilson once make a comment along the lines of Curtis' death being the best thing to happen to factory, though he later claimed it was taken out of context.Cobains'death was probably the best thing to happen to Nirvana as they'd already slipped into self indulgent wank mode.

There's a section in Mick Middles' book dealing with that, can't remember the name of the interviewer who wrote that but Wilson always said he never said it (and for once, considering the tabloid nature of a lot of British news, I believe him )

I think Kurt's death effectively killed grunge (which might not have been such a bad thing considering all the bandwagon-jumping groups coming out then), and alternative rock devolved into "rage metal" or "rap metal" or whatever you wanna call that shit. With Ian, taking into account the fact that I wasn't even a year old when this happened, there wasn't necessarily a "Punk is dead" vibe (probably because the Clash and similar artists were still around). It would be safe to say that in their time, JD had nowhere near the massive exposure or fame as Nirvana. There was no MTV to constantly play "LWTUA" all day or unplugged specials or any of that, and JD had yet to tour the States.

I always felt sorry for Kurt because he truly was a victim of his fame. A lazy self-serving victim, to be sure, but a victim nonetheless

If i remember rightly it was an interview TW (is it his bday today ?? if so enjoy it Tone) did in The Face, who retracted the comment 20 odd years later

Originally posted by The Haçienda must be (re)Built If i remember rightly it was an interview TW (is it his bday today ?? if so enjoy it Tone) did in The Face, who retracted the comment 20 odd years later

It was indeed in The Face magazine in an article by Nick Kent about the Happy Mondays. Wilson denied ever making the comment and The Face admitted as much 5 years later after which time it was too late to sue them for libel. As for Nick Kent I think Jah Wobble and Sid Vicious had the right idea back at the 100 Club all those years ago...

Originally posted by Philip Collins As for Nick Kent I think Jah Wobble and Sid Vicious had the right idea back at the 100 Club all those years ago...

Ha! Smash!