New Order tribute re: order upstairs @ the garage 28 feb

We are playing upstairs at the garage on sat 28th feb,we are the second band(there are 4 in total) on due to me being friends with the promoter. Hope to see some of you there.

You spelt friends right the first time, then changed it !

Good venue, the Garage. Every time I've played there the sound, onstage and in the room, has been excellent

Yeah, I've been to a few shows there now. Not played there yet, but will be in the near future hopefully.

Originally posted by Chuck D You spelt friends right the first time, then changed it !

wank you very much...... as yuo can ees my speeed flyping skelts arse improving:)

Originally posted by Hooky's six string bass > Originally posted by Chuck D You spelt friends right the first time, then changed it !

wank you very much...... as yuo can ees my speeed flyping skelts arse improving:)

Have just mailed Will re. Saturday.

Can't join you lads, long standing piss up arrangement with another message board.

Just found out we are now playing down stairs at the Garage on stage at eight.

Only coming for your set and the UP one - going before the other bands come on. Any chance of blagging reduced entry as don't want to see the headliners ? Will happily roadie !

Originally posted by KnownPleasures Only coming for your set and the UP one - going before the other bands come on. Any chance of blagging reduced entry as don't want to see the headliners ? Will happily roadie !

We could do with a roadie!!!!....... with a van:)

Nevermind Jonny,

Theres nothing like playing to an empty hall, hehe.

We are in Stourbridge this friday playing 1-1 and a half hours.

www.angelfire.com/un/unknownpleasures

Out of interest, what motivates you folks to do NO/JD tribute bands? Obv it's all great material(but not *your* material) and fun to play, but why the whole tribute thing and not just a cover or two in amongst your own stuff? Are you also in non-tribute bands at the same time?

What's your approach - do you try and replicate the songs exactly or give 'em your own spin? What's in your head when you're up there? Are you 'in New Order'? How do you think the audience approaches it?

Originally posted by DC Out of interest, what motivates you folks to do NO/JD tribute bands? Obv it's all great material(but not *your* material) and fun to play, but why the whole tribute thing and not just a cover or two in amongst your own stuff? Are you also in non-tribute bands at the same time? What's your approach - do you try and replicate the songs exactly or give 'em your own spin? What's in your head when you're up there? Are you 'in New Order'? How do you think the audience approaches it?

Where to start ?

Motivation ? They are great songs to play, songs we all grew up playing (and maybe even learned instruments by playing). Can't speak for Unknown Pleasures or re: order, but we've all been in bands before and have done our own stuff, have had records out and done hundreds of gigs, either as solo performer or in bands. It's not easy to get gigs in London doing original stuff unless you throw everything at it - at this stage in our lives there is too much going on elsewhere to want to do that - maybe 20 years ago.....

We only came together to play the Homage gig in Manchester two years ago, and subsequently recorded tracks for Community. Some of the recordings we did for Community were our own interpretations of the songs (you ain't heard 'em all yet, Order fans !) whereas some were pretty straight versions so we could use them as a demo to get gigs. Live, they are a mix of being very faithful to the original song structure, but with a fuller guitar sound (the benefit of having two guitarists to play JD stuff).

What's in our head when we play them ? Just playing songs we like, same as our own stuff or any other cover. No wish to be New Order, or be in New Order. The audience ? Some come to fuel the nostalgia thing. Some come to see people performing songs they like. Some come because it is another gig on. At the end of the day though, the audience don't really come into the equation. We play these songs because we like playing these songs, same as we like other songs we play. If nobody comes to watch, we'll still like playing these songs. It's not like it's a career, we're all mid-late 30s with families and proper jobs.

Originally posted by Dead Soul Nevermind Jonny,Theres nothing like playing to an empty hall, hehe.We are in Stourbridge this friday playing 1-1 and a half hours.www.angelfire.com/un/unknownpleasures

Never again will I go to football before a gig, when there is a train journey connecting the two locations. Too many things can go wrong, as did on Saturday. Oill have toww gowe to Yowyow land on Froidoi now.

Originally posted by DC Out of interest, what motivates you folks to do NO/JD tribute bands? Obv it's all great material(but not *your* material) and fun to play, but why the whole tribute thing and not just a cover or two in amongst your own stuff? Are you also in non-tribute bands at the same time? What's your approach - do you try and replicate the songs exactly or give 'em your own spin? What's in your head when you're up there? Are you 'in New Order'? How do you think the audience approaches it?

I myself got into it by chance through an ad i placed as i wanted to just play some gigs, i am keen on doing original material at some point but as Tim says its hard to get gigs with original material. My approach is to play songs which i like myself and enjoy playing, eg shadowplay is just an awsome song, and if people/audience turn up then thats a bonus. We try and do justice to the songs, i suppose your own style comes out through with the song that cant be helped. My thoughts are just on enjoying the exprience and playing the songs, hehe. Sometimes laps of concentration cant be helped as u sometimes start listening rather than playing. I dont think im Joy Division, just a band who are paying homage to a great band.:)

Originally posted by KnownPleasures > Originally posted by Dead Soul> Nevermind Jonny,> > Theres nothing like playing to an empty hall, hehe.> > We are in Stourbridge this friday playing 1-1 and a half hours.> > www.angelfire.com/un/unknownpleasures

Never again will I go to football before a gig, when there is a train journey connecting the two locations. Too many things can go wrong, as did on Saturday. Oill have toww gowe to Yowyow land on Froidoi now.

U do yhat Skip, its near DUDLEY!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Dead Soul u sometimes start listening rather than playing.

Glad it's not just me ! Extended versions aren't uncommon in rehearsal, having to go round another 8 bars for the vocal intro !!!!

Originally posted by Dead Soul > Originally posted by KnownPleasures > Originally posted by Dead Soul> Nevermind Jonny,> > Theres nothing like playing to an empty hall, hehe.> > We are in Stourbridge this friday playing 1-1 and a half hours.> > www.angelfire.com/un/unknownpleasures

Never again will I go to football before a gig, when there is a train journey connecting the two locations. Too many things can go wrong, as did on Saturday. Oill have toww gowe to Yowyow land on Froidoi now.

U do yhat Skip, its near DUDLEY!!!!!!!

Av yow urdum up there loike ? Yowyows an yamyams. If yows from south of Dudloi Cassle yows a yowyow, if yows north yows a yamyam.

Originally posted by KnownPleasures > Originally posted by Dead Soul> > > > Originally posted by KnownPleasures> > Originally posted by Dead Soul> Nevermind Jonny,> > Theres nothing like playing to an empty hall, hehe.> > We are in Stourbridge this friday playing 1-1 and a half hours.> > www.angelfire.com/un/unknownpleasures

Never again will I go to football before a gig, when there is a train journey connecting the two locations. Too many things can go wrong, as did on Saturday. Oill have toww gowe to Yowyow land on Froidoi now.

U do yhat Skip, its near DUDLEY!!!!!!!

Av yow urdum up there loike ? Yowyows an yamyams. If yows from south of Dudloi Cassle yows a yowyow, if yows north yows a yamyam.

Is that roight skip?

Ar it is loike. Bostin' !

Some interesting points here :

**but as Tim says its hard to get gigs with original material**

Really???? What kind of venues are turning bands away in favour of tribute bands? I've never come across it. Maybe we're thinking about different venues?

**It's not easy to get gigs in London doing original stuff unless you throw everything at it - at this stage in our lives there is too much going on elsewhere to want to do that - maybe 20 years ago.....**

Blimey - in my experience you just send a CD and you're in at places like The Garage and Bull and Gate. Mind you they're not exactly Wembley stadium. Still if you can fill the B+G up you can make £100 for the band kitty/expenses etc. I know what you mean about too much going on elsewhere.. I'm 42 and don't have as much time as I used to have - I play in 2 bands and we do maybe 6 gigs a year. That's plenty.

**If nobody comes to watch, we'll still like playing these songs.**

So what sort of crowds do you get then? How many?

**They are great songs to play, songs we all grew up playing (and maybe even learned instruments by playing)** YES! I reckon I must have played every JD song at some point in rehearsals, and a band I was in around 1981/2 used to do a JD as an encore quite often. I can remember doing The Kill ('Still', not Warsaw!!), These Days, Transmission and Exercise One. I wouldn't really want to do one now, although we do chuck in a sort of irreverent generic 1981 Factory band pisstake. Makes Tunnelvision sound cutting edge.

What i ment is its easier to do a tribute as the songs are there and its just easier to put together, with original stuff it does take up more time to prepare!

It's not so much that venues are turning original bands away in favour of tribute bands, it is just that most of the venues with their own PA (and promoter) want a guarantee of x through the door. It isn't easy to build up a following with original material, and thus the attendance guarantee, unless you can do the whole promotional stuff as well. With other peoples' songs, at least that aspect of it is often already done by their reputation. If you are any good, people will come and see you.

What I would do, ideally, is have a set of original material written for performance by us as well, maybe under a different band name, and the support ourselves, paying the original set first, and headlining with the covers. Over a period of time people would become more familiar with the original material, and this could then be interspersed with the covers/promoted in favour of the covers. Ultimately the covers would take more of a back seat, eventually becoming occasional good-mood track.

Originally posted by Johnny Giles Took a trip down to The Garage last night, along with the legendary Dennis Remmer who was paying a fleeting visit to the UK, for a double dose of JD/NO tribute bands.Arrived in time to catch the last 60 secs of Unknown Pleasures, 40-odd hardy souls got the full set. Shame, but it seemed as though those early attendees required the comfort of the bar at the back of the room leaving the 'Pleasures performing to a wide open space. After a short interlude re: order took the stage and the venue had started to fill up. They had an entourage in tow who formed a semi-circle in front of the band as the sequencers of BLT filled the room. First impressions are important and the band came through for us. Our singer sporting a classic mid-80s Barney barnet, all highlights and clearly defined step, together with a cream hooded top, close your eyes and there was the True Faith era Sumner on stage. 'Hooky', in regulation black leather jacket, swung the bass nice and low, occasionally playing with his back to the audience. Good attention to detail. Alas, no Gillian, they've gone for a 21st century line-up with an all male cast. The six song set kicked off with a well executed BLT, followed by AOC - so good to hear it live again and this did it justice, Ceremony, Thieves Like Us, a wonderful version of Hurt and concluding with The Perfect Kiss.What stood out was the preparation that must sit behind a performance like this, particularly the sequencer driven tracks, BLT/Thieves/TPK. I'd imagine a lot of time has been spent getting the sound just right. Impressed lads.Next date is pencilled in for late March, somewhere in London. If you're reading this re: order, keep these boards informed.

Thanks for those kind words Mr Giles glad you enjoyed it and it was good to put a face to another NOOL name, see you at the next one .:)