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Can you tell us more about your Paris experience?
Were you part of all these British people who seemed to be causing trouble on the first gig? What's that story exactly? Some people said that Barney and especially Hooky were exchanging a few words with people from the crowd who were British and were causing trouble...
S.
Don't think there was any 'trouble' per se, just handbags at 12 paces, with one Manc lad getting pushed about by a few French lads trying to goad him, and one of my lot stepping in to calm it down. I didn't notice anything till Barney called for calm from the stage. To be honest, it was an extremely good natured crowd the first night, despite being fairly frenetic, and on the 2nd night there wasn't a lot of movement down the front, though one young French lad was making a nuisance of himself, but was perhaps just a bit drunk.
As for the band, Barney was in fine spirits, and Hooky didn't seem to know where he was half the time!
Who posted the piccie then? There was some French lads taking shots, so perhaps one of them?
For the record, the line-up here is Caroline, then Neil, Johnny Giles (who posts here occasionally), Mr Disco / Mickey Way (who posts here a lot), Ewan, Gordie, Gary, Me and the Mrs (Paula), then Julie and Mad Darren. Only one who appears to be missing from our line-up is Mr Disco's partner, Tania.
Originally posted by Allen Jarvis For the record, the line-up here is Caroline, then Neil, Johnny Giles (who posts here occasionally), Mr Disco / Mickey Way (who posts here a lot), Ewan, Gordie, Gary, Me and the Mrs (Paula), then Julie and Mad Darren. Only one who appears to be missing from our line-up is Mr Disco's partner, Tania.
Sunday night, I saw a big bloke wearing a black 'Recycle' T-shirt in the front row of the mezzanine - er.. was it you ?
Nah, not me. I don't really 'do' band t-shirts, as a rule! I was downstairs anyways, then wandered towards the back of the theatre after about 60mph. Monday's crowd was a bit tame in comparison to Sunday's and I got a bit bored to be honest.
Seb asked me to write about my Paris experience, but I guess Buster, Pitch, etc must've written enough already nearer the time. Suffice to say, Monday was one of the best gigs I've attended this year, if not the best. Everything seemed to go right. The venue was a corker - lovely and intimate, and pitch black when the bands were on. And the crowd were as up for it as any I've witnessed in a long time. I went in with a full-length leather coat on (weight: about half a stone!), cos the cloakrooms were full, and I promised meself I'd hang back with the Mrs, and enjoy the gig from the sidelines. But as soon as you hear Crystal, there's nothing to do but crush in down the front and pogo like a loon. Then you turn round and realise all your mates have abandoned their partners too and joined you! Cracking! Seemed to be few quite a few Brits out for this one. About a dozen in our group, then a dozen more in the Manc group, and pockets of people who'd made their way over. Same set we've heard before, but I've (finally) learned to accept that now. Barney pointed out we had our flag upside down at one point, then Hooky took it off with me during KW1, but didn't seem to know what to do with it (what WAS he on at both gigs?!) then just gave it back. Seemed to be a bit of trouble around BLT but think it was little more than handbags at ten paces. Barney called for calm from the stage but I think everything was sorted by then. Lots of photo opportunities with bouncers at a minimum - one English lad (Alex) got past security by showing his after-show pass then they realised he wasn't a bona fide cameraman when he took out his disposable and started snapping Hooky! He gut chucked out by a side door but then walked round the front of the venue and they let him in again!
Second night though, what a difference. Crushed in down the front for Crystal ... and nothing. No movement whatsoever. Wandered out during 60mph, to find half the Manc lot all propping up walls, so wandered up to the back of the venue and hung around to watch the rest of the set from there. True Faith saw Barney's additional guitar totally drown out Hooky's bass (bad bit of mixing there), and Ruined had to be the worst I've ever heard it - when Barney's guitar clattered in I seriously thought we were gonna have another RTS situation with the song being stopped then ditched. And how can the sequencers misfire so badly - surely they're just pre-programmed. Only real downer was that we couldn't be arsed to try for access to the after-show party, as none of us really enjoyed the gig, so went on the ale in town instead, only to find out the next morning that the party had been in the club next door to our hotel. Free champagne all night, and the entire Manc contingent had gained entry and wondered where we'd got to! Doh!!
Fantastic trip away though. I work for the French so Paris to me usually means early morning planes, rush hour tubes and smokey offices, so it was nice to take it a bit easier for once. Only bizarre thing of note was that it was more expensive to sit upstairs at the Olympia, and bouncers were only on the upstairs doors to check tickets. It'll never catch on over here!!! Oh, and how can you justify 4 notes a beer?! Outrageous!
Yeah, the drinks were very expensive, as always in France.
(In Belgium, you would have paid half the price).
So, Allen, when you talk about a great gig, I guess you meant sunday's (you wrote monday but, later, you slag monday's off).
Originally posted by Sébastien Boisvert Can you tell us more about your Paris experience?Were you part of all these British people who seemed to be causing trouble on the first gig? What's that story exactly? Some people said that Barney and especially Hooky were exchanging a few words with people from the crowd who were British and were causing trouble...S.
There definately wasn't any 'trouble'. I was right behind a French guy and one of the MCR contingent who were slamming into each other quite agressively at one point but some big guy stepped in between them to cool it down - it just seemed a bit of over enthusiasm to me.
The crowd was a good natured and happy one from what I saw and I had a couple of sing-a-longs in the melee down the front with all sorts of people around me - definately the most enjoyable gig of the tour (I didn't stay around for Monday).
One of the best aspects about the gig was the reaction of the local crowd to some of the songs - I thought a guy behind me was going to burst when he heard the opening bars to Atmosphere!
Apart from Crystal the stuff from GR also seemed to go down better in Paris than it did at the UK shows.
Klumpy, judging by the radio broadcast on Monday, Regret seemed to be quite speeded up and much improved by being faster. Was that your sense from being there?
'Regret' was very good indeed. Although, sometimes it was so loud it was difficult totruly appreciate the songs for themselves, Patrick.
Originally posted by Buster Klumpy So, Allen, when you talk about a great gig, I guess you meant sunday's (you wrote monday but, later, you slag monday's off).
Indeed, sorry, Sunday was a great gig. Monday not so hot.
Forgot about something Mickey Way mentioned - the French crowed on Sunday seemed to have their own chants, much in the same that we Brits have our "Neworder! Neworder!" chant. Anyone know what these were?
Unfortunately, I missed a large part of the broadcast, but I did hear Regret and thought it was surprisingly good.
Originally posted by Patrick Unfortunately, I missed a large part of the broadcast, but I did hear Regret and thought it was surprisingly good.
Coming from you, Patrick, I guess Regret must be very happy with your comments ;)
Yes, Klumpy, after all the bad things I've said about that song, I wanted to say a good word when it deserved it.
Originally posted by Allen Jarvis Forgot about something Mickey Way mentioned - the French crowed on Sunday seemed to have their own chants, much in the same that we Brits have our "Neworder! Neworder!" chant. Anyone know what these were?
Do you mean these football supporter-like tunes? ;)
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Keep in mind, Huntsy, that I liked it better because it sounded faster, whereas I suspect you may like it better slow.
Originally posted by Patrick Keep in mind, Huntsy, that I liked it better because it sounded faster, whereas I suspect you may like it better slow.
no, faster is cool.
Anyway, Huntsy, on the subject of whether liking Regret is a moral test, just let me remind you that I cry whenever I listen to Leave Me Alone.
'Cause I did Booster... I always follow the Buster / Patty threads like children following beans laid as a trail on the forest floor in the popular nursing rhyme '3 little pigs'.
I'm a bit annoyed that I haven't given you a full and detailed report yet Busty on your music... its coming, and I've got the CD's in my bomber so any day yet. Its good to hear that a bit of egging on has egg'd you on to do more shit... keep going, there's no feeling like it (except eating snacks and getting a tug off the misses).
Hey Patty I've yet to listen to Leave Me A Loan since about 1997 as my record player went in the loft and I haven't got it on CD yet. Perhaps Santa will bring me the joyous fettler. It's difficult to not cry to that tune P bird... and I'm glad you have re-inforced that upon me. Two men crying across the atlantic... cue the song.
Take your time, Huntsy. I mean, there's a lot of songs on these CDs and I'm not sure it's easy to digest...
Well, Huntsy, I'm distressed to hear you're technologically inhibited from that experience, since we have agreed, I believe, that it is the pinnacle of their work.
Originally posted by Patrick Well, Huntsy, I'm distressed to hear you're technologically inhibited from that experience, since we have agreed, I believe, that it is the pinnacle of their work.
Yes, and quite rightly we were to make that joint decision.
Basically Patty I'm teasing myself. I've listened to it soooo many times that I'm allowing my head a break. I've got literally thousands of pounds worth of NO material and was late to the CD world. As I'd collected that much vinyl I was retisant about buying it all again on CD... alas, I succumbed and now PC&L and Movement is the last items to fill my bucket... oh, and Technical Lego.
It's a bit like Joy Division... I don't have hardly anything of them but one day... I'll look forward to building that empire and enjoying its splendour.
Buster it is tricky listening to the shit in French but to be honest that's why I like it so much. I really enjoy Lady Penelope (very Penguin Cafe Orchestra) and the 1st one off on of the CD's... did you see that, that was my lack of French speaking ability in full effect.
Sorry to change the subject slightly, and I know its been through before and I took no notice of it, but I saw Taras Shevchenko advertised on HMV.co.uk for about £12. Is it worth getting ,bearing in mind I'm not exactly flush at the mo with Christmas coming up and about 8million family members to buy crappy gifts for.
Huntsy, once you get that box set of JD, theres not really much else worth buying of theirs IMO. Unless your a JD obsessive, which you aint really are you?
Well, Huntsy, I know there are many vinyl devotees, but I never liked the dust factor, so frankly I much prefer the CD world. But I do remember many times in record stores looking wistfully at all the NO 12 inch singles that were simply not available oc CD.
Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Patrick> Well, Huntsy, I'm distressed to hear you're technologically inhibited from that experience, since we have agreed, I believe, that it is the pinnacle of their work.
Yes, and quite rightly we were to make that joint decision.
Basically Patty I'm teasing myself. I've listened to it soooo many times that I'm allowing my head a break. I've got literally thousands of pounds worth of NO material and was late to the CD world. As I'd collected that much vinyl I was retisant about buying it all again on CD... alas, I succumbed and now PC&L and Movement is the last items to fill my bucket... oh, and Technical Lego.
It's a bit like Joy Division... I don't have hardly anything of them but one day... I'll look forward to building that empire and enjoying its splendour.
Buster it is tricky listening to the shit in French but to be honest that's why I like it so much. I really enjoy Lady Penelope (very Penguin Cafe Orchestra) and the 1st one off on of the CD's... did you see that, that was my lack of French speaking ability in full effect.
Well, there's no lyrics in French on 'Lady Penelope'. In fact, there's no lyrics at all as it's almost instrumental... :)
But I admire and am flattered by your dedication.
Originally posted by Seb Briggs Sorry to change the subject slightly, and I know its been through before and I took no notice of it, but I saw Taras Shevchenko advertised on HMV.co.uk for about £12. Is it worth getting ,bearing in mind I'm not exactly flush at the mo with Christmas coming up and about 8million family members to buy crappy gifts for.Huntsy, once you get that box set of JD, theres not really much else worth buying of theirs IMO. Unless your a JD obsessive, which you aint really are you?
Is this an observation you've made snake... that I'm not a JD obsessive?... I'll say this much, 'Decades' makes me weak at the knees and the entire 'Closer' album makes me glad I'm alive.... if not just to get so utterly depressed listening to it. I absolutely adore the original 12" of 'She's Lost Control' for the noticeable difference in bass drum sound... almost as dancey as some later New Order stuff. I believe the production on some of the JD material was far more sophisticated than early NO stuff.. figure that one out as NO were 'after' this event?... Martin Hannet was a genius, an absolute god.
The main reason why I don't bang on about JD so much in here is because it is a NO website... okay?
As for the box set... sounds good, are you talking 'Heart and Soul' here?
RE: Taras Shevchenko... its shite, you'll only watch it for the curious fact that they actually released it when they could have picked far better gigs. My advice would be to ask Santa for a cheapo DVD player (as there all the same anyway) from Hasdas and get 3:16... which, even more curiouser, has Taras Shevchenko on just for a laugh!!!
For me though, who is an obsessive, I wouldn't rest until I had all of the originals.
Originally posted by Patrick Well, Huntsy, I know there are many vinyl devotees, but I never liked the dust factor, so frankly I much prefer the CD world. But I do remember many times in record stores looking wistfully at all the NO 12 inch singles that were simply not available oc CD.
... they are 'all' in my loft and occassionally I go and look at them. So many memories, so many pocket monies, so much part-time work spent on the boys. I love it and don't regret a moment. Tell you what Patty, the CD's are fucking wank. Take Low Light, abandoned the original typefaces all together for the track listing?... I mean, come on.
My favourite thing to do is sniff my USA Mini-album. Tell you something which is sad... Whenever I bought a 12", I cleaned it before and after playing, only touched the cover with a duster and kept them all in PVC covers.
Nice.
PS I'd just like to say I have about '12' EGG " singles with different coloured covers....
nice.
Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Seb Briggs>
The main reason why I don't bang on about JD so much in here is because it is a NO website... okay?
As for the box set... sounds good, are you talking 'Heart and Soul' here?
Apologies Hunter, as you said you rarely bang on about the JD, and I therefore wrongly assumed you weren't that big a fan. Personally I do like JD a lot, Closer particuarly, but they never affected me in the way NO have
It was Heart and Soul I was talking about - an excellent collection.
Hey Seb I wasn't looking for an apology... occassionally I think to myself, someones going to mention that I never mention JD and it never happens... until now. I can rest easy now big fella.
I'm interested to learn that JD haven't affected you as much or in the same way as NO... personally, I think the two groups combined can have major affects on how I feel. Closer hits the spot I absoultely adore it... however many other NO songs 'I adore' are spread around many albums. I can put Closer on and drift off..... aahhhhh, look see, I'm off............... 
I might bang 'Heart & Sausage' on me Christmas list after your recommendation Seb Snake... It would save me scouring for CD's around His Masters Voice...
I know what you mean Hunts, If Closer had been a NO album it would have been the best. I find all the NO albums have their weakspots, even my beloved Technique (ie Fine Time, Guilty Partner), Closer hasn't.
I did find Unknown Pleasures, dare I say it, a little over rated.
With NO, I could list you 50 or so songs which I absolutely fuckin love, a song for every occasion, JD, one album + a few off UP and a few singles. Hence why NO affect me more strongly.
On the JD subject, I rarely listen to them.
I mean, it's because I was a fan of New Order that I went to JD. Very impressive but so much less moving to my heart.
So, Huntsy, how am I supposed to know the type-face on the track-listing on Low-Life was changed? I never owned any NO on vinyl; when I first started listening to them I bought cassettes. If we're going to talk about track listings, I much preferred the one on the promo of GR: 2-2-2-2-2. By comparison, 3-3-2-2 is so ugly. And I really hate the track listing on Brotherhood. As I've said before, the problem I have with JD is the vocals; and then people say his voice was artificially deepened. It's the deepness I don't like.
I know what you mean Pastie, the first time I heard Ian I thought it was an old bearded bloke singing out of key... permanently. Then I thought, shit no that's cool... his singing shit is good. Same as Barney really however now he rarely faulters... mmm... all these points can be argued. I listend to JD and Ian's voice makes the songs sound like massive stone sculptures.
If you haven't got the original vinyl covers your fucked mate. I know its easy for me to say but the CD's are shite (no offence)... sometimes nothing like as carefully crafted as the vinyl. Them days are gone Patty, I wouldn't ponder it. Incidentally, the typeface on the CD version of Low Lite is a default typeface used when a printer hasn't received the correct information (courier)... I wonder if they issued it with this horrible cock-up and couldn't be arsed changing it.
Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Patrick> Well, Huntsy, I know there are many vinyl devotees, but I never liked the dust factor, so frankly I much prefer the CD world. But I do remember many times in record stores looking wistfully at all the NO 12 inch singles that were simply not available oc CD.
... they are 'all' in my loft and occassionally I go and look at them. So many memories, so many pocket monies, so much part-time work spent on the boys. I love it and don't regret a moment. Tell you what Patty, the CD's are fucking wank. Take Low Light, abandoned the original typefaces all together for the track listing?... I mean, come on.
My favourite thing to do is sniff my USA Mini-album. Tell you something which is sad... Whenever I bought a 12", I cleaned it before and after playing, only touched the cover with a duster and kept them all in PVC covers.
Nice.
PS I'd just like to say I have about '12' EGG " singles with different coloured covers....
nice.
I'm sure you'll empathise with me as I've just discovered the inner sleaves of my Crystal mixes don't match,I'm sure they did when I got them 
Still, I shouldn't have left them lying around where they could be tidied up.
Actually, Huntsy, now that I think about it, without having them in front of me, it seems like the track list type-face on the PCL CD is worse than Low-Life.
Originally posted by Patrick Actually, Huntsy, now that I think about it, without having them in front of me, it seems like the track list type-face on the PCL CD is worse than Low-Life.
It's a fucking nightmare that's all I can say.
This shit didn't happen with vinyl... and if it did, you could frame the cunt and charge people a fiver to look at it.
Originally posted by Allen Jarvis Who posted the piccie then? There was some French lads taking shots, so perhaps one of them?
Yes, one of our French members sent the piccie! Nice, huh?
Who made the flag? It looks fantastic! :)
Great review BTW!
Seb.
Huntsy, your location has changed to something that might actually be real. Is it? Or is this a joke I'm just not getting?
Originally posted by Sébastien Boisvert > Originally posted by Allen Jarvis> > Who posted the piccie then? There was some French lads taking shots, so perhaps one of them? >
Who made the flag? It looks fantastic! :)
Seb.
Astroflags.com made it. About 40 quid I think? We're quite big on our flags over here, at football and stuff.
