Q Magazine have published their list of the most influential bands of all time - New Order come in at a paltry no. 43 but at least they're above Depeche Mode!
Top of the class, say Q, were the Sex Pistols...
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The White Stripes at 27? 
They haven't been around long enough to influence other artists, have they? 
How was the list determined? I don't have a copy of Q yet, but there are some unexpected entries in the top 50-- was it by vote?
No Hendrix? Fecking hell surely everyone who's picked up a guitar since he did would look at and think, if only...
Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© No Hendrix? Fecking hell surely everyone who's picked up a guitar since he did would look at and think, if only...
well said.
All these lists are a pile of shite. Classic crap poll being the NME all-time polls, all-time to a handful of journalists off faces on cheap draw in Camden boozer who think they know everything.
Originally posted by Razed In A New Division Of Agony Surely Joy Division has influenced more people than the fucking Strokes... :\pissedoff:
This is exactly what I mean. How can the Strokes have influenced anyone really yet ? I think we should start our own list and see how we get on. Here's the ten bands who have influenced me the most to make my own music.
Velvet Underground
Sex Pistols
Joy Division
The Buzzcocks
The Ramones
Echo and the Bunnymen
New Order
Nirvana
my wife says the Nolan Sisters
The Fall
Husker Du
Originally posted by Detweiler All these lists are a pile of shite. Classic crap poll being the NME all-time polls, all-time to a handful of journalists off faces on cheap draw in Camden boozer who think they know everything.
Under 29 and have conveniently forgotten all the musical influences from what their parents and big brothers and sisters were playing that made them want to be musojays?
i saw this one too in todays daily star.
what a load of bollocks!
as my right honorable friend further up the page said how the f**k can the white stripes be influential when they,ve only been around 5 minutes!
i don't listen to the polls in indie/grunge/express,sorry q & nme there a load of bollocks publications anyway!
oh and the norder only at 43!
who the f**k do they think they're kidding!
regards
The list is catered to current buyers, I'm sure that that heavily influenced the members of the list and their slotting. If they're honest their wouldn't be more than what, 10-12 artists in the past 20 years that merit mentioning. Everyone loves lists until they see the crap that's actually on it. :D Don't sweat the nonsense.
Judging from the linked-to article, this has the potential to be the most ridiculous list in the history of lists ever.
It's so bad it's not even funny, and I'm not going to waste my time and energy moaning about it (until perhaps I see the full thing!).
Originally posted by Razed In A New Division Of Agony Surely Joy Division has influenced more people than the fucking Strokes... :\pissedoff:
The Strokes have been influential only by having several thousand college "hipsters" don mussed up, sloppy hair cuts and think they can start their own bands. But, Phish did the same thing.
I dont really think anyone is influenced by certain groups are they? certain records yeah ok,lets face it without I Feel Love we wouldnt have had disco,which became house music-but no one can say they were influenced by Donna Summer. i know this sounds like crap,but you dont like New Order cos thier New Order-you like the music they make.
I see there's a problem with those Q twats (but didn't they put the fookin Darkness on the cover?, that says something...): crap bands like Oasis and the Strokes are the most INFLUENCED bands ever, not influential. Influenced, there's nothing, absolutely nothing original in them. A band influenced by Oasis is actually influenced by the Beatles. Unfortunatley there were some in the 90s, like Northern Uproar etc. And it's also true there should be more bands influenced by New Order today (while there've been many in the past), if there were I'd buy much more new records, while I mostly buy artists who've made their debut more than a decade ago...
These lists are not be taken seriously. Interestingly, Rolling Stone has just published the list of "50 greatest artists of all time" picked by artists themselves and the Pistols are not even mentioned. Neither are New Order. Those americans... 
http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=2846
Originally posted by One Brain These lists are not be taken seriously. Interestingly, Rolling Stone has just published the list of "50 greatest artists of all time" picked by artists themselves and the Pistols are not even mentioned. Neither are New Order. Those americans...
Great and thanks for the LINK!
Originally posted by One Brain These lists are not be taken seriously. Interestingly, Rolling Stone has just published the list of "50 greatest artists of all time" picked by artists themselves and the Pistols are not even mentioned. Neither are New Order. Those americans...
The Sex Pistols aren`t one of the greatest artists of all time though are they. They had ONE album,yeah its great but to be a great artist you need to do it time & time again.
Originally posted by steve52 > Originally posted by One Brain> These lists are not be taken seriously. Interestingly, Rolling Stone has just published the list of "50 greatest artists of all time" picked by artists themselves and the Pistols are not even mentioned. Neither are New Order. Those americans...
I don't know about that...The Pistols spearheaded a revolution, and the mark of true greatness varies from generation to generation, really. Their one album and grab-bag of singles made more of an impact than the entire recording careers of other artists with more copious outputs, and I think I would stick them (if not at the top) very near the top of any list of "most influential". They changed music in 1976-77 much the same way the Beatles did in 1963-64 (though I think John Lydon would be aghast at that comparison, it's apt).
Yeah, but you have to give a huge degree of the Sex Pistol's Credit to the Ramone's which dilutes their impact. I seriously doubt punk would have been what it was w/o The Ramones and their tour of Great Britain which preceeded the Sex Pistols by a short little while, right? (I'm rusty on exact dates).
I just don't trust any of the lists, they're inane cr@p meant to sell magazines, nothing more. While else would so many of the magazines be so list oriented, just think of Blender which is probably the fastest growing music rag right now and each freaking issue has some inane list of something.
Originally posted by Stephen Smith Yeah, but you have to give a huge degree of the Sex Pistol's Credit to the Ramone's which dilutes their impact. I seriously doubt punk would have been what it was w/o The Ramones and their tour of Great Britain which preceeded the Sex Pistols by a short little while, right? (I'm rusty on exact dates). I just don't trust any of the lists, they're inane cr@p meant to sell magazines, nothing more. While else would so many of the magazines be so list oriented, just think of Blender which is probably the fastest growing music rag right now and each freaking issue has some inane list of something.
The Pistols were (more than) a going concern at the time of the Ramones tour in '76. I personally don't see any Ramones influence in the Pistols' music (at least till Sid joined and found he could play the bassline to Blitzkreig Bop and proceeded to do so at some point at just about every gig he played at when his amp was switched on) - that's influenced far more by The Who or The Small Faces rather than the 2 minute 100mph stuff that The Ramones came out with. The Pistols were more of a reaction against the New York scene 'cos they were pissed off with McLaren always going on about it...
I agree with your point about lists tho' particularly having just witnessed that 'Greatest Comedy Show' thing that's just been on...
Originally posted by Philip Collins > Originally posted by Stephen Smith> Yeah, but you have to give a huge degree of the Sex Pistol's Credit to the Ramone's which dilutes their impact. I seriously doubt punk would have been what it was w/o The Ramones and their tour of Great Britain which preceeded the Sex Pistols by a short little while, right? (I'm rusty on exact dates). > > I just don't trust any of the lists, they're inane cr@p meant to sell magazines, nothing more. While else would so many of the magazines be so list oriented, just think of Blender which is probably the fastest growing music rag right now and each freaking issue has some inane list of something.
The Pistols were (more than) a going concern at the time of the Ramones tour in '76. I personally don't see any Ramones influence in the Pistols' music (at least till Sid joined and found he could play the bassline to Blitzkreig Bop and proceeded to do so at some point at just about every gig he played at when his amp was switched on) - that's influenced far more by The Who or The Small Faces rather than the 2 minute 100mph stuff that The Ramones came out with. The Pistols were more of a reaction against the New York scene 'cos they were pissed off with McLaren always going on about it...
I agree with your point about lists tho' particularly having just witnessed that 'Greatest Comedy Show' thing that's just been on...
Exactly, the Pistols sound is much "slower" compared to what most people think of as punk (i.e., Ramones-style two-minute compositions). They were starting up a while before the Ramones came to England, and what influence the Ramones did have on the Pistols came through Sid months later.
That's not to say that the Ramones don't deserve some credit for the English punk scene: The Clash were clearly influenced by them, and a whole other slew of bands (some good, some bad) who came afterwards. There's those two sides to punk, as far as I see: The Pistols, which opened the door to guys like Elvis Costello and Joy Division, and the Ramones, who provided a blueprint of "punk" that was more musically rigid. That's not a criticism of the Ramones by any means (I love them about as much as I do the Pistols), but the style of music that the Ramones did was altogether a seperate entity from that of the Pistols. Each did their job well, and the face of music was changed for the better for each having been around. But the Pistols were not a Ramones knock-off or inspired by them, they had their own style. 
Just out of curiousity , what would a JD/NO influenced band sound like and how many NOOL purists would slag them off as a poor imitation ? Personaly I could'nt care less how influential they are soundwise, but if some kid decides that he wants to throw some rockstar shapes after seein Hooky or whoever live , fair play to her/him
Originally posted by Garymac Just out of curiousity , what would a JD/NO influenced band sound like and how many NOOL purists would slag them off as a poor imitation ?Personaly I could'nt care less how influential they are soundwise, but if some kid decides that he wants to throw some rockstar shapes after seein Hooky or whoever live , fair play to her/him
THE CURE
I'm surprised it took an hour for the cure to be thrown into the fray :D which is why I dont care if they're only number forty-odd on the Q chart, one cure is enough
I think *influence* is a red herring - what exactly do we mean by the word. Everyone's influenced by everything, even stuff they don't like, so it's a redundant word IMHO. Also you gotta separate musical similarities from the cultural/social impact of punk - practically anyone that was making vaguely punk-ish noises before Sept 76 was *influential* in starting the chain reaction, just by being there, regardless of whether they were any good or not. (Even pub-rock imposters had their role to play in mobilising people to get out and do it!) Anyway.....I think Taboo is on the right lines. Obv. the Pistols were taking elements of the Who, Troggs, Small Faces et al and using them as a vehicle to get started, but the 'what' is much less important than the 'how'. And the way that Rotten did the 'how' changed everything. Every movement needs a leader. The Ramones clearly took a lot from the classic American tradition - Brill building, Beach Boys etc - i.e *pop* influences rather than the Pistols *rock* template. A v.good thing btw.
In a lot of cases inspired may be a better word, a lot of people were inspired to form bands post-76, their influences were pretty diverse though. My first band when I was a fifth year at school , had an Hawkwind fan on guitar, a pink fairies fan on bass, a deep purple fan on rhythm and a young offender on vocals. I played drums in an attempt to be Keith Moon. We did a 20 minute version of Sweet Jane and Baba O'reilly 's chords and made up lyrics. We split up when our singer got into Wigan casino all-nighters and the rest of us discovered cider. But we'd have shit on Northside :D
Sounds a bit like my first band in 1980! Me on bass, Lew on guitar, Dave on vocals and Jon the tub thumper (no drum kit so got two fermenting bins and turned them over, very Shop Assistants....). No mic stand so had to suspend it from the light fitting. Guitar and bass through the same amp (a very cool WEM bass amp that had previously been used by Mott The Hoople). We wrote about ten songs, all of which had lyrics and random noises to accompany them, they never sounded the same from one rendition to the next. Very punk. First gig attracted two people. Band's name changed every week. Best song was "Dogs of Worcester", all 25 seconds of it which contained one thrashed chord and the lyrics "Dogs of Worcester, they're all so fucking ugly". Happy days.
Originally posted by Detweiler Sounds a bit like my first band in 1980! Me on bass, Lew on guitar, Dave on vocals and Jon the tub thumper (no drum kit so got two fermenting bins and turned them over, very Shop Assistants....). No mic stand so had to suspend it from the light fitting. Guitar and bass through the same amp (a very cool WEM bass amp that had previously been used by Mott The Hoople). We wrote about ten songs, all of which had lyrics and random noises to accompany them, they never sounded the same from one rendition to the next. Very punk. First gig attracted two people. Band's name changed every week. Best song was "Dogs of Worcester", all 25 seconds of it which contained one thrashed chord and the lyrics "Dogs of Worcester, they're all so fucking ugly". Happy days.
Sounds like you'd have shit on Northside too
First drumkit : Bally's dads de-mob suitcase , a rolled up two man tent, some cushions and in an inspired moment we ma de a snare from a round metal tea tray and dried peas, covered in clingfilm, piece of round plywood on that and voila ... could even do rimshots, we didn't have cymbals cos we thought we'd be different, Budgie out of the Banshees must have had a similar first drumkit .
You actualy settled on a name ! Fuck we never got the hang of that, however one still comes to mind Firebombed Funeral Parlour , the rest were equaly dire 
Originally posted by Detweiler Sounds a bit like my first band in 1980! Me on bass, Lew on guitar, Dave on vocals and Jon the tub thumper (no drum kit so got two fermenting bins and turned them over, very Shop Assistants....). No mic stand so had to suspend it from the light fitting. Guitar and bass through the same amp (a very cool WEM bass amp that had previously been used by Mott The Hoople). We wrote about ten songs, all of which had lyrics and random noises to accompany them, they never sounded the same from one rendition to the next. Very punk. First gig attracted two people. Band's name changed every week. Best song was "Dogs of Worcester", all 25 seconds of it which contained one thrashed chord and the lyrics "Dogs of Worcester, they're all so fucking ugly". Happy days.
Didn't the Jesus & Mary Chain cover Dogs Of Worcester on their Psycho tour? Used to like the Shoppies though.
I used to use bins meself in the good ole days.
seven exclamation marks, in bold at that. Being new to this stuff, is that like an on-line shout ? Or an on-line shout with a angrily waved fist like Blakey in On the Buses ?
I used to use bins meself in the good ole days.
You lucky bastid, we used to dream about bins for drums. With lids ?
Originally posted by Garymac seven exclamation marks, in bold at that. Being new to this stuff, is that like an on-line shout ?Or an on-line shout with a angrily waved fist like Blakey in On the Buses ?
The mind boggles.......dented monitor in Iowa though !
