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Originally posted by A severe young man Ha, who can tell me which CD version of Confusion (1983) sounds better than the vynyl one? Dare I say that even the Retro one sounds not that impressive!
Confusion 83 will never sound good. Always too muddy. Confusion 87 is the way to go, even on CD and cassette.
Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be > Originally posted by A severe young man> Ha, who can tell me which CD version of Confusion (1983) sounds better than the vynyl one? > > Dare I say that even the Retro one sounds not that impressive!
Confusion 83 will never sound good. Always too muddy. Confusion 87 is the way to go, even on CD and cassette.
Ironically NO tried to update Confusion and it resulted in Confusion 87, which now sounds soooo out-of-date, while the original version still has its charms.
Anyway I made my own CD with the Confusion 12" tracks, made the front- and backcover and here you go - Confusion CD :) (I really didn't even bother to get rid of the vinyl hiss, though hardly audiable). Sounds grrrrrrrreat! 
Originally posted by A severe young man Ha, who can tell me which CD version of Confusion (1983) sounds better than the vynyl one?
If I'm not terribly mistaken, the only Confusion '83 version that has ever surfaced onto CD is the Rough Mix (Arthur Baker's Breakin' compilation and Retro)... Not that much to choose from :)
Originally posted by Bentley Whichever one pleases you more is the one you should go with. I own both and enjoy both. I do know one thing for certain... mp3's deserve a special place in hell right beside 8 track tape.
Mp3s are perfect when wanting portable music. Try go jogging with a CD-Walkman, or even worse: a portable turntable ;)
Originally posted by AgentWood who cares? in a few years we'll all be listening to them with the chips that will soon be planted in our heads and connected to a worldwide wi-fi system, anyway.;)
I thought that was going to be used by some... high authority (*cough*Bush/Ashcroft*cough*) to force propaganda onto people. 
/TLV
In fact, some good vinyl's records are great than poor and average CD records, but to take an SQ beter than an CD, you must have to take an phono calibrated, with a good capsule and good pre-amp and amp.
Now, whith new digital formats (DVD-Audio, SACD), and digital records (in studio) I did'nt like vinyl for new records.
I've spent way too much money on both turntables and CD decks for the price to be swaying me either way, but CD's. Always
Technics CD deck, Nad amp, Mission speakers for music made with instruments, Denon/Denon/Monitor for electronic music. The first setup gives a richer sound than vinyl can, and the second one just seems to give an all-round better sound than vinyl can.
Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by A severe young man> Ha, who can tell me which CD version of Confusion (1983) sounds better than the vynyl one?
If I'm not terribly mistaken, the only Confusion '83 version that has ever surfaced onto CD is the Rough Mix (Arthur Baker's Breakin' compilation and Retro)... Not that much to choose from :)
Originally posted by Bentley Whichever one pleases you more is the one you should go with. I own both and enjoy both. I do know one thing for certain... mp3's deserve a special place in hell right beside 8 track tape.
Mp3s are perfect when wanting portable music. Try go jogging with a CD-Walkman, or even worse: a portable turntable ;)
Originally posted by AgentWood who cares? in a few years we'll all be listening to them with the chips that will soon be planted in our heads and connected to a worldwide wi-fi system, anyway.;)
I thought that was going to be used by some... high authority (*cough*Bush/Ashcroft*cough*) to force propaganda onto people.
/TLV
As Wasimple mentioned above, Confusion (1983 12") is featured on Retro Compact Disc 1.
Originally posted by Andy > Originally posted by TLV> > > > Originally posted by A severe young man> > Ha, who can tell me which CD version of Confusion (1983) sounds better than the vynyl one?>
If I'm not terribly mistaken, the only Confusion '83 version that has ever surfaced onto CD is the Rough Mix (Arthur Baker's Breakin' compilation and Retro)... Not that much to choose from :)
As Wasimple mentioned above, Confusion (1983 12") is featured on Retro Compact Disc 1.
Hmm, after a second listen to both tracks I have to agree. It's been quite a long, long time since I listened to the 12", and my memory thought that the two versions (12 inch vs. Rough Mix) were more different. To my ears, the Retro and Breakin' tracks are as different as Temptation 7" and Temptation (Something Wild soundtrack), i.e. more of an edit than mix. My bad.
/TLV
Actually, if I were the music industry, I'd put albums on CARTRIDGE of ROM memory, direct digital recording, loseless format...
Would bring back a small part of the 8 tracks days 
Seriously though, it should be done, and each mp3 player should have an expansion slot to accept those cartridges...
So, WTRIWYH.... what they record is what you get ;)
But maybe I have bad ears, but 320 kbps mp3 files and my iPod, I seriously don't miss the vinyl days....
Originally posted by Spotnick Actually, if I were the music industry, I'd put albums on CARTRIDGE of ROM memory, direct digital recording, loseless format...Would bring back a small part of the 8 tracks days
Every heard about SD (Secure Digital) cards? At least my Rio S35 mp3 player has an expansion slot for these stamp-sized solid-state memorycards. Or MemoryStick or CompactFlash for that matter.
I fully agree with you that we are moving towards solid-state (no movable items) storage. HD-based players will probably only go so far for portable media (e.g., iPod). Who really needs 400GB of mp3s (or some other format) when riding the bus? The problem with solid-state today is price. Today the price is roughly 1USD/10MB, meaning about 10USD for an average coded CD - and that's just the cost of the media...
Also, I agree that a correctly encoded mp3 with a good bitrate (I use 256kbps with the Lame encoder) sounds good enough for my damaged ears, and works for ripping a regular CD. However, a high bitrate takes care of the dynamic range (the diff volume highs and lows in the music) but the frequency range is still limited to ~20kHz (using a sampling freq of 44.1kHz). Sure, most can't hear freqs above 15kHz but one of the arguments for vinyl is that we can feel higher freqs...
To tie this to some New Order content: please release all the albums again (at lest the ones from the 80s) properly remastered.
/TLV
