The word on the street is... :evil4:

They could just fill em with mixes.

The thought that its even mooted New Order are thinking ahead so far is a pretty nice one.

Originally posted by Clockwork C They could just fill em with mixes.The thought that its even mooted New Order are thinking ahead so far is a pretty nice one.

Possibly has something to do with contractual obligations? That they aren't free to do what they want until they have released x products for Warner?

Originally posted by oldmonkey > Possibly has something to do with contractual obligations? That they aren't free to do what they want until they have released x products for Warner?

Very good point.

Of course everyone ignored my "The Next Album" thread a couple of days ago, even the dude who runs this place which stated this very fact.

Two albums is highly unlikely,but its a nice thought!

Originally posted by Kevin Smith Of course everyone ignored my "The Next Album" thread a couple of days ago, even the dude who runs this place which stated this very fact.

Well, you know how it is Kev, we do try to ignore you where possible.

Wow, thanks what great news, now when do they GIG?

I may be missing the point here but surely if the songs weren't good enough to make the cut for the new album that doesn't bode well for any future offering?

Perhaps the reason why New Order are keen to release another new album soon and to avoid going on long tours is because long gaps between albums and long tours played significant roles in driving the band's members apart in the 1980's and early 1990's. If they left it too long between albums that could tempt members to embark on side projects and if they toured for too long they may need to take a long break to recover so keeping things moving quickly helps keep the band together.

Think of it as possibly the start of a third New Order era, the first being the period when the band's members were moving forward together, the second being the period when they drifted apart and then got together again and the third being when they started moving forward together again.

Originally posted by Wasimple I may be missing the point here but surely if the songs weren't good enough to make the cut for the new album that doesn't bode well for any future offering?

That's one possible way of looking at it but another way to look at it is that they recorded so many songs that were good enough for the new album that they decided that whilst they were in good form they would try to write and record as much material as they could.

The word on the street. New Order my house, in exactely 1 year 3 dates. Well its the word on my street.

Originally posted by Fingers > Originally posted by Wasimple> I may be missing the point here but surely if the songs weren't good enough to make the cut for the new album that doesn't bode well for any future offering?

That's one possible way of looking at it but another way to look at it is that they recorded so many songs that were good enough for the new album that they decided that whilst they were in good form they would try to write and record as much material as they could.

another is that the other songs wouldnt fit this album & have a different feel...

Maybe I've got too much faith, but I don't think they would just pick the best songs for WFTSC and then think it was viable to release the weaker tracks as the basis for a new album. I hope the suggestion that the remaining tracks have a different feel turns out to be true. The main thing though is that there is any new stuff to talk about, it's good to sense some enthusiasm coming from the band.

The thinking on here seems to be regarding UK festivals plus Coachella.

I think it is highly unlikely that they would do more than a couple of UK festivals (V or Reading/Leeds counts as two), and more likely that they will do some European ones. I'd be looking at events in Spain, Belgium and Germany myself.

Oooh, Spain. Would that be Benicassim (sp.?), then???

I think it highly unlikely that New Order would release two albums in a year, but maybe in 2006. Given that the early 80s are currently "in" (so my students tell me), and that NO are getting namedropped a lot in the press, and the the Joy Division movie may well be out next year, it seems an opportune time for them to soak up the adulation (and royalties). I'm not sure how many record sales this will actually amount to: personally I'd imagine that there's enough of a hardcore out their to make it worth their while to make a record, but I'm not sure how many people buy their LPs beyond the loyal fanbase (though presumably the fetival appearances will be an attempt to reach out beyond us beery old fuckers). You watch "Krafty" go straight into the top 10 before plummeting out of the charts the following week.

I imagine this will the the band's last hurrah, mind....

Originally posted by Fingers > Originally posted by Wasimple> I may be missing the point here but surely if the songs weren't good enough to make the cut for the new album that doesn't bode well for any future offering?

That's one possible way of looking at it but another way to look at it is that they recorded so many songs that were good enough for the new album that they decided that whilst they were in good form they would try to write and record as much material as they could.

It could also mean that they were too good to use as b-side throwaways. Of course that does leave the quandrary of what the b-sides are going to be. I'd be pretty pissed off if we just ended up with instrumental versions and remixes.

yep. no decent b sides and i wont be buying the singles, unless they are dirt cheap and look good.

sorry but im not paying for a bunch of remixes by nonentities. you can only get me once with 'the rest of'.

I should say that my comment above is me hoping they will play those countries, not that they are going to be!!!

Originally posted by Spotnick ... that New Order will release another new album quite soon... they don't plan to use any of the 8 songs left as b-sides, but as the beginning of a new album.

And I heard that it will be the first album title ever to include a smiley. It will be called:

They Never Called :(

/TLV

Originally posted by Spotnick ... that New Order will release another new album quite soon... they don't plan to use any of the 8 songs left as b-sides, but as the beginning of a new album.

All presumong that WFTSC sells well - if it does Warners will be pushing for another release in 2006 to cash in on the popularity - probably try to coincide with the film release. If WFTSC bombs then we may never hear those other 8 tracks

One thing people seem to be ignoring is theme. I know that back in the day, bands and producers spent a lot of time thinking about sequencing, particularly in the days of records, when sequencing was a big deal, having grand openers for side 1 and side 2, and having perhaps ballads, or melancholy tunes to round out side 1 and 2 or more thoughtful tunes. On top of that is the basic idea that some of these songs could easily not be cr@p, but rather could be songs that make much more sense as a part of a new album, then they do thematically with Sirens' Call.

Think of it this way. Would Low-Life be the same or make the same sense if Shellshock or State of the Nation were on it? Perhaps the germs of those songs found their origins in those sessions. Who knows? Thieves Like Us could probably fit on Low-Life without a problem, but Blue Monday could not. Similarly True Faith would never have made sense on Brotherhood, and Temptation, as much as we love it, didn't fit musically for PCL, even though it could have seen release as an early single for that album if New Order back then, was as laissez-faire about working on new material as they are today.

I think it could easily be as simple as New Order having record 18-20 new songs, and having done them, felt that these 10 or 11 felt right around one another. All the early write ups on the album seem to suggest a basic thematic quality to the album (other than the supposed glam/iggy and the stooges rave up that's on it), perhaps some of the songs did not fit that theme, and just as easily perhaps the band felt they didn't want to upset the delicate Technique-like balance of guitar and synth by adding certain songs that would have tilted the album too strongly in one direction or another.

This is all guesswork, but I do know that the reasons for exclusions of songs from albums can cover a heckuvalot more than filler/schlock/sh!t as justifications for leaving something out. Remember, the Stones, "Start Me Up," was recorded years before it ever saw release, whether they dropped it from their album of the time (I believe it was recorded initially in '77 and saw release in '81 if I remember right)because they simply didn't know what they had (just as they so severely underrated their performance in the Famous relatively newly released "Rolling Stone Rock and Roll Circus") or because it didn't make sense as a part of the album they were recording at the time, I do not know. However I do know that Start Me Up, when it finally saw release was certainly one of the best two or three songs the Stones had recorded in a decade, that it didn't make the album it was recorded for is a testament to the fact that sometimes great songs don't make the albums they were recorded for (I'll grant that some or most of you may find the Stones tired, or old hacks, or "Start Me Up," a tired standard rock song, but no one can deny it's staying power as a classic piece of rock and roll history).

Stephen : brilliant analysis, I hope NO is as artistically demanding as they used to be

Spotnick : thanx for your good news from Magic RPM, especially about the next two singles off WFTSC

A gig back in Paris during Le Festival des Inrocks would be great, for the reunion with the Parisian audience in L'Olympia in Nov. 2001 was really fantastic - moving and electric at the same time. :)