My track-by-track review of the album...
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:Dconsistently exellent,new order sounds filling the room,down the years they have been the best
Originally posted by NObabe > Originally posted by NObabe> Am I the only one 'round here who hasn't got it yet?
Anyways, thanks for the reviews. You know reading about them songs and listening to them is the same fooking thing. 
Seems like the girls are out in the cold! :(
Originally posted by April Berhow > Originally posted by NObabe> > > > Originally posted by NObabe> > Am I the only one 'round here who hasn't got it yet?
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Anyways, thanks for the reviews. You know reading about them songs and listening to them is the same fooking thing.
Seems like the girls are out in the cold! :(
com'on in the warm;)
Originally posted by oldmonkey Good innit Shug?
Mondays fans will love the classic Mondays-stylee end to I Told You So
I thought I had credited Mark Day in my review, but having read back it seems I never! Well spotted mate I noticed it as well. Love the album and can't wait to get it "proper" when it's out. Hooky did say in Glasgow it had plenty of guitar in it, blown away to be honest. Even the so called weaker tracks are growing on me. Looking forward to a few gigs
This is gonna be one hell of a summer - the NOOL posse out in force. Any kidney transplant volunteers, get yer blood types posted up here now!
The album is really superb and it seems to be growing on me every time I listen to it again. Since I've listened just a few times, I will not review it now, but 2 funny things I've just noticed: "I Told You So": I seriously see a bit of Ace of Base / Dr. Alban style of beats/arrangements in that track. "Morning Night And Day / Pop 1": sounds more like a Twisted Tenderness track than any New Order track ever in my opinion. And in fact I don't see anything bad in this, the both tracks are fantastic and I love Twisted Tenderness, my favourite Electronic album in fact - and I really think Ace of Base has done a lot of perfect pop tracks.
My ratings for the album:
1 Who's Joe? - 7 2 Hey Now What You Doing - 9 3 Waiting For The Sirens' Call - 9.5 4 Krafty - 9 5 I Told You So - 7 6 Morning Night And Day - 8 7 Dracula's Castle - 7 8 Jetstream - 8 9 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion - 8.5 10 Turn - 9.5 11 Working Overtime - 8
I will do a full review in due course but suffice to say it didnt knock me out when I first heard it...
That may surprise some people but the signature new order sound and Barneys voice (which seems more chirpy and electronic era than Grrready) is slowly sinking in and it does indeed look like we are in for yet another classic!
Originally posted by oldmonkey My ratings:Who’s Joe? 7Hey Now What You Doing 7Waiting For The Sirens’ Call 8Krafty 8I Told You So 8Morning Night And Day 7Dracula’s Castle 7Jetstream 8Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 9Turn 7Working Overtime 7
After about ten further listens, the oldmonkey votes have changed slightly:
Who's Joe 8.5 Hey Now What You Doing 8 Waiting For The Sirens Call 9 Krafty 8 I Told You So 8 Morning Night And Day 7 Dracula's Castle 7 Jetstream 8 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 9 Turn 9 Working Overtime 7
The guitar tracks just blew me away last night.
Hello again, After 14 reviews:
116 (2nd) Lordsy = Who’s Joe? 7 9 9 9 7 8 8.5 9 9 7.5 9 10 7 7 107 (5th) Road To Ruin = Hey Now What You Doing 4 9 8.5 8 7 7 8 9 7 6.5 9 9 6 9 115 (3rd) Waiting For The Sirens’ Call 6 8 8 9 8 8 7 9 10 8.5 8 9 7 9.5 Single 106.5 (6th) Krafty 8 10 7 7 8 7 7 5.5 8 8.5 8 9.5 4 9 Single 82 (11th) I Told You So 7 7 8 7 8 5 1.5 4.5 6 6 6 6 3 7 102 (9th) Pop1 = Morning Night And Day 5 9 9.5 7 7 7 6.5 8 8 6 8 8 5 8 92 (10th) Minidisc2 = Dracula’s Castle 6 4 8 9 7 6 8 6 6 7 6 7 5 7 102.25 (8th) Jet = Jetstream 7 9 9 6 8 6 8.25 7 7 7 8 8 4 8 Single 109 (4th) Fast Synth = Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 10 6 10 9 9 6 10 5 8 8 7 8.5 4 8.5 122.5 (1st) Turn 6 10 10 10 7 9 9 10 9 8 9 10 6 9.5 103 (7th) Working Overtime 9 7 6 5 7 7 5.5 8.5 8 7 7 10 8 8
Turn is obviously the favourite (only 2 didnt like it) and 'I told you so' & 'Draculas Castle' are getting the 
generally
I see the 1st 3 and Turn have grown on you OldMonkey,
I've altered the stats accordingly:
117.5 (2nd) Lordsy = Who’s Joe? 7 9 9 9 8.5 8 8.5 9 9 7.5 9 10 7 7 108 (5th) Road To Ruin = Hey Now What You Doing 4 9 8.5 8 8 7 8 9 7 6.5 9 9 6 9 116 (3rd) Waiting For The Sirens’ Call 6 8 8 9 9 8 7 9 10 8.5 8 9 7 9.5 Single 106.5 (6th) Krafty 8 10 7 7 8 7 7 5.5 8 8.5 8 9.5 4 9 Single 82 (11th) I Told You So 7 7 8 7 8 5 1.5 4.5 6 6 6 6 3 7 102 (9th) Pop1 = Morning Night And Day 5 9 9.5 7 7 7 6.5 8 8 6 8 8 5 8 92 (10th) Minidisc2 = Dracula’s Castle 6 4 8 9 7 6 8 6 6 7 6 7 5 7 102.25 (8th) Jet = Jetstream 7 9 9 6 8 6 8.25 7 7 7 8 8 4 8 Single 109 (4th) Fast Synth = Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 10 6 10 9 9 6 10 5 8 8 7 8.5 4 8.5 124.5 (1st) Turn 6 10 10 10 9 9 9 10 9 8 9 10 6 9.5 103 (7th) Working Overtime 9 7 6 5 7 7 5.5 8.5 8 7 7 10 8 8
If you believe the stats there are 3 class songs (led by Turn), 6 decent tunes, and 2 that shouldnt have been let out
Everyone's voting against I Told You So though because it is the Order daring to be different, and nobody accepts things that are different to begin with, do they? It'll grow on you, that's for sure. Those of us who are already fans of music with a Caribbean influence have a headstart!
Originally posted by oldmonkey Everyone's voting against I Told You So though because it is the Order daring to be different, and nobody accepts things that are different to begin with, do they? It'll grow on you, that's for sure. Those of us who are already fans of music with a Caribbean influence have a headstart!
I must've missed The Fall's "Dancehall" period! When was it?
Originally posted by oldmonkey Everyone's voting against I Told You So though because it is the Order daring to be different, and nobody accepts things that are different to begin with, do they? It'll grow on you, that's for sure. Those of us who are already fans of music with a Caribbean influence have a headstart!
I didn't vote against, I just prefer the others to it... but while listening to it last night, I would say it would be a really good soundtrack song.
Give it some time, we're just not used to this yet!
After listening to I Told You So several times yesterday as I was making my "Ace of Base VS New Order" mix, I realized how good this song was.
It's full of subtleties and only after a while one will realize that. On the other hand, I was less thrilled yesterday with "Guilt" than I was the day before.
It often stroke me that the songs you like very quickly are also often those you get tired of very quickly.
It'll be interesting to make a poll on the album two months after it's released. I'm sure everybody's opinions will be different, for the better or worst. 
Who’s Joe? (I hate Joe. 1/10) Hey Now What You Doing (Similar to "60MPH". 7/10) Waiting For The Sirens’ Call (Oh! It's a brand new classic!! 9/10) Krafty (WOW!! It's a brand new classic!! Part II. 10/10) I Told You So (Not so BAD. Similar to "Ruined in a day" or "Vicious Streak", I think. 3/10) Morning Night And Day (So So track. 7/10) Dracula’s Castle (So So track Part II. but John Leckie's great job! 5/10) Jetstream (Big Big diappointed. I like Gwen's one 1/10) Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Similar to We In Music's"Grandlife". Massive full on choooon. 9/10) Turn (Is this Monaco? mmm...but so good. 8/10) Working Overtime (This is New Order. 0/10 or 10/10:D)
Most of Japanese like ultra pop "Krafty". Because we can not understand English. We are lucky human race! haha!
Sorry for the cleanup here, but guys (and gal), take his matter in private if you want, but right now, I can't let it in the public forum.
I'll tolerate reviews, but otherwise, I can't stop you from sending emails, but I won't let a discussion on this subject, we are watched ;)
Originally posted by A Siren's Touch After listening to I Told You So several times yesterday as I was making my "Ace of Base VS New Order" mix, I realized how good this song was.It's full of subtleties and only after a while one will realize that. On the other hand, I was less thrilled yesterday with "Guilt" than I was the day before. It often stroke me that the songs you like very quickly are also often those you get tired of very quickly.It'll be interesting to make a poll on the album two months after it's released. I'm sure everybody's opinions will be different, for the better or worst.
Yeah, problem is, the album will be released in 2 months, so everybody will be excited, but those who had the chance to listen to it will be settled.
Oh the other hand, this isn't the final mix of the album...
No time for a song-by-sog review, but I can give my impressions after several listening sessions.
First, this album certainly doesn't sound techniquey, except for Turn, which is also one of the best tracks.
The opening track, Who's Joe, is also one of the best tracks. Classic sound, even though, I dare say, NO never sounded as much as The Cure as they do on this track.
I regret a lack of homogeneity in the production. You can *hear* that no less than four different producers have been involved, all with different ideas on what the sound should be... but you can also guess that NO have been co-producing most tracks in an attempt to keep the homogeneity. The result is an album with a sound that is half homogeneous, half creative. Rather disppointing, imo. The last song, Working Overtime, which is very good in its own style but which shouldn't be part of this album, and Told You So, which is also of a complteley other style, contribute to this feeling. Eventually, Krafty turns out to be one of the best produced songs of this album.
Since Get Ready, heavy guitars have been introduced in NO's music. I regret this. Take Who's Joe: very good song, and then, suddenly, this new guitar sound is introduced at 4'30. I don't like it.
Most songs are, imo, very average. The album lacks catchy tunes. Told You So is, imo, the worst song NO have ever released. Dracula's Castle is boring. Even the title makes me despise it. Can you imagine that a band that once wrote songs entitled "Everything's Gone Green", "Thieves Like Us", "Dream Attack", etc., has released a song called "Dracula's Castle"? This is a Pet Shop Boys title but, and I'm pretty sure the PSBs would have made a great song with such a title. Unfortunately, NO didn't.
You have understood it: I am very disappointed with this album. I secretely hoped that they would have followed the path of Here to Stay and made a synth-based, dance album. But WFTSC is nothing like this. It sounds like a mix of Electronic and Monaco songs, a missed opportunity to give NO's unique sound a new direction. All in all, this album is the one I like least in the whole NO discography.
Also what do you think the chances of the band playing a couple of proper venues? im pissed off with spendng a fortune to travel to festivals to see just one band. Maybe i was spoiled the last time around Get Ready when i was able to see them in loads of different venues.
Originally posted by Spotnick Sorry for the cleanup here, but guys (and gal), take his matter in private if you want, but right now, I can't let it in the public forum.I'll tolerate reviews, but otherwise, I can't stop you from sending emails, but I won't let a discussion on this subject, we are watched ;)
Nicolas, I think you have misunderstood some of us. I haven't heard the album; I haven't made any attempts to hear the album. I haven't asked anyone to do anything that might allow me to hear the album. All I've heard is the versions of Krafty that have been made available by the record company at their various websites.
Originally posted by Ben No time for a song-by-sog review, but I can give my impressions after several listening sessions.First, this album certainly doesn't sound techniquey, except for Turn, which is also one of the best tracks.The opening track, Who's Joe, is also one of the best tracks. Classic sound, even though, I dare say, NO never sounded as much as The Cure as they do on this track.I regret a lack of homogeneity in the production. You can *hear* that no less than four different producers have been involved, all with different ideas on what the sound should be... but you can also guess that NO have been co-producing most tracks in an attempt to keep the homogeneity. The result is an album with a sound that is half homogeneous, half creative. Rather disppointing, imo. The last song, Working Overtime, which is very good in its own style but which shouldn't be part of this album, and Told You So, which is also of a complteley other style, contribute to this feeling. Eventually, Krafty turns out to be one of the best produced songs of this album.Since Get Ready, heavy guitars have been introduced in NO's music. I regret this. Take Who's Joe: very good song, and then, suddenly, this new guitar sound is introduced at 4'30. I don't like it.Most songs are, imo, very average. The album lacks catchy tunes. Told You So is, imo, the worst song NO have ever released. Dracula's Castle is boring. Even the title makes me despise it. Can you imagine that a band that once wrote songs entitled "Everything's Gone Green", "Thieves Like Us", "Dream Attack", etc., has released a song called "Dracula's Castle"? This is a Pet Shop Boys title but, and I'm pretty sure the PSBs would have made a great song with such a title. Unfortunately, NO didn't.You have understood it: I am very disappointed with this album. I secretely hoped that they would have followed the path of Here to Stay and made a synth-based, dance album. But WFTSC is nothing like this. It sounds like a mix of Electronic and Monaco songs, a missed opportunity to give NO's unique sound a new direction. All in all, this album is the one I like least in the whole NO discography.
That's kind of how I felt after a couple of listens.
Please EXPLAIN.Is it an offence to mention that you haven't GOT IT?If so fair enough.Otherewise don't go CENSORING
posteres for the sake of it whilst letting THOSE WITH speak freely.TALK ABOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS.
A right kerfuffle! 
Originally posted by Rocket Mick Please EXPLAIN.
I completely agree, RM. Makes no sense whatever.
Originally posted by Patrick > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> Please EXPLAIN.
I completely agree, RM. Makes no sense whatever.
Times like these you realise we ARE NOT a COMMUNITY!
ok, you want numbers? i´ll give you numbers. right now this is almanso´s rate:
- 9,5
- 9
- 9,5
- 6
- 4
- 7,5
- 6
- 8,5
- 5
- 10
- 9
Thanks Almanso
Heres the latest update: 119 (3rd) Lordsy = Who’s Joe? 7 9 9 9 8.5 8 8.5 9.5 9 7.5 9 10 7 7 1 115 (6th) Road To Ruin = Hey Now What You Doing 4 9 8.5 8 8 7 8 9 7 6.5 9 9 6 9 7 125.5 (2nd) Waiting For The Sirens’ Call 6 8 8 9 9 8 7 9.5 10 8.5 8 9 7 9.5 9 Single 117 (5th) Krafty 8 10 7 7 8 7 7 6 8 8.5 8 9.5 4 9 10 Single 84.5 (11th) I Told You So 7 7 8 7 8 5 1.5 4 6 6 6 6 3 7 3 108.5 (8th) Pop1 = Morning Night And Day 5 9 9.5 7 7 7 6.5 7.5 8 6 8 8 5 8 7 97 (10th) Minidisc2 = Dracula’s Castle 6 4 8 9 7 6 8 6 6 7 6 7 5 7 5 104.75 (9th) Jet = Jetstream 7 9 9 6 8 6 8.25 8.5 7 7 8 8 4 8 1 Single 118 (4th) Fast Synth = Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 10 6 10 9 9 6 10 5 8 8 7 8.5 4 8.5 9 132.5 (1st) Turn 6 10 10 10 9 9 9 10 9 8 9 10 6 9.5 8 113.5 (7th) Working Overtime 9 7 6 5 7 7 5.5 9 8 7 7 10 8 8 10
This only leaves Marvin Kay to confirm his rating for WFTSC (the song) - I put him in for a 7
Otherwise none of this is my own doing (I havent heard it myself:( Im just listening to the 2 Community cds to keep me going thanks Tim)
Roll on March the 20somethingth.
