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God I love my stats:nuts: They are STILL keeping me going without having to LISTEN to the album myself:confused2::nuts::scratch:Anyway, here is the update:189.5 (3rd) Lordsy = Who’s Joe? 7 9 9 9 8.5 8 8.5 9.5 9 7.5 9 10 7 7 1 8 8.5 9 6 8 8 9 9 5 184 (6th) Road To Ruin = Hey Now What You Doing 4 9 8.5 8 8 7 8 9 7 6.5 9 9 6 9 7 9 8 7 7 7 9 9 7 6 209.5 (1st=) Waiting For The Sirens’ Call 6 8 8 9 9 8 8.5 9.5 10 8.5 8 9 7 9.5 9 9.5 8 10 10 10 9 9 9 8 Single 188.5 (5th) Krafty 8 10 7 7 8 7 7 6 8 8.5 8 9.5 4 9 10 8.5 5 8 9 8 7 8 8 10 Single 150 (11th) I Told You So 7 7 8 7 8 5 1.5 4 6 6 6 6 3 7 3 9.5 6 9 6 7 6 7 8 7 182.5 (7th) Pop1 = Morning Night And Day 5 9 9.5 7 7 7 6.5 7.5 8 6 8 8 5 8 7 9.5 8.5 7 6 10 9 9 7 8 160 (10th) Minidisc2 = Dracula’s Castle 6 4 8 9 7 6 8 6 6 7 6 7 5 7 5 9 6 9 8 6 9 8 6 2 170.25 (9th) Jet = Jetstream 7 9 9 6 8 6 8.25 8.5 7 7 8 8 4 8 1 8.5 7 7 0 9 8 9 8 9 Single 189 (4th) Fast Synth = Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 10 6 10 9 9 6 10 5 8 8 7 8.5 4 8.5 9 9 6 9 7 4 9 10 8 9 209.5 (1st=) Turn 6 10 10 10 9 9 9 10 9 8 9 10 6 9.5 8 7 9 9 9 6 9 9 10 9 180 (8th) Working Overtime 9 7 6 5 7 7 5.5 9 8 7 7 10 8 8 10 7 6.5 9 5 8 10 6 7 8 . . . and there have been some changes; after 24 reviews we have a TIE for 1st place!

if that wasnt enough only ONE POINT seperates 3rd, 4th & 5th

(BTW the 3 reported singles are 1st=; 5th; and 9th Looks like the fan's choices for singles would be Turn, Sirens & one other from Whos Joe/Krafty/Guilt)

Now, I wonder what they sound like:laugh: Only 6 more weeks . . . .

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Has anyone noticed how much Barney sounds like Billy Corgan on "Turn" ? (is there a link with a title BTW ?...)

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Originally posted by Archi Has anyone noticed how much Barney sounds like Billy Corgan on "Turn" ? (is there a link with a title BTW ?...):smoking:

Funny you mention that. I was thinking, while listening to Turn for the 12 billionth time in the past couple days, that it really sounds like the best song Smashing Pumpkins wished they wrote. It's as if New Order took the Pumpkins' "1979" and said, "see, this is how you do it".

Those who say it would be a cracking single in the US market... the last really big hit the Pumpkins had was "1979" as far as I recall. But that was almost 10 years ago.

drew

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Originally posted by drewc > Originally posted by Archi> Has anyone noticed how much Barney sounds like Billy Corgan on "Turn" ? (is there a link with a title BTW ?...)> > :smoking:

Funny you mention that. I was thinking, while listening to Turn for the 12 billionth time in the past couple days, that it really sounds like the best song Smashing Pumpkins wished they wrote. It's as if New Order took the Pumpkins' "1979" and said, "see, this is how you do it".

Those who say it would be a cracking single in the US market... the last really big hit the Pumpkins had was "1979" as far as I recall. But that was almost 10 years ago.

drew

I like 1979...

by the way, I can't delete or edit any comments... grrr

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Originally posted by April Berhow > Originally posted by drewc> > > > Originally posted by Archi> > Has anyone noticed how much Barney sounds like Billy Corgan on "Turn" ? (is there a link with a title BTW ?...)> > > > :smoking:>

Funny you mention that. I was thinking, while listening to Turn for the 12 billionth time in the past couple days, that it really sounds like the best song Smashing Pumpkins wished they wrote. It's as if New Order took the Pumpkins' "1979" and said, "see, this is how you do it".

Those who say it would be a cracking single in the US market... the last really big hit the Pumpkins had was "1979" as far as I recall. But that was almost 10 years ago.

drew

I like 1979...

by the way, I can't delete or edit any comments... grrr Oh, I love "1979" - it's probably my favorite Pumpkins song. I'd love to hear NO cover it too... Anyhow, my whole point was that "Turn"'s similarity to "1979" might point to it being a hit in the US, if it's at all possible in today's US musical climate for NO to have a hit in it...

drew

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Originally posted by drewc > Originally posted by April Berhow> > > > Originally posted by drewc> > > > > > > Originally posted by Archi> > > Has anyone noticed how much Barney sounds like Billy Corgan on "Turn" ? (is there a link with a title BTW ?...)> > > > > > :smoking:> > >

Funny you mention that. I was thinking, while listening to Turn for the 12 billionth time in the past couple days, that it really sounds like the best song Smashing Pumpkins wished they wrote. It's as if New Order took the Pumpkins' "1979" and said, "see, this is how you do it".

Those who say it would be a cracking single in the US market... the last really big hit the Pumpkins had was "1979" as far as I recall. But that was almost 10 years ago.

drew

I like 1979...

by the way, I can't delete or edit any comments... grrr Oh, I love "1979" - it's probably my favorite Pumpkins song. I'd love to hear NO cover it too... Anyhow, my whole point was that "Turn"'s similarity to "1979" might point to it being a hit in the US, if it's at all possible in today's US musical climate for NO to have a hit in it...

drew

;)

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Originally posted by drewc Those who say it would be a cracking single in the US market... the last really big hit the Pumpkins had was "1979" as far as I recall. But that was almost 10 years ago.

I dunno about the US market, but I can't see it as a major hit in Europe. It's a good song but, as you mention, tastes are not the same as in 1994. Anyway, with Barney singing as Corgan on Turn and Cunningham sounding as Marr on most tracks, we have a guess about one of Barney's feature : he learns his lessons well ;) That said, all influences are both greatly used -and- overcome: WFTSC is an excellent album.

IMO, the 3 worthy singles of the album are :

  • Morning Night & Day (I'm amazed that few people are enthusiastic about it, it is a dance-floor killer or nothing is)
  • Fast Synth (I don't like it but it's a good song to dance to as well)
  • Krafty (yes, but really the least powerful of the three and THE OPENING SYNTH BASS IS THE SAME AS IN WFTSC !!! :eek3:)

But WFTSC definitely stands out in this album as a major song in NO work as a whole (yes, from the start...)

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WFTSC: The Review (a.k.a. "Whither Goest, New Order?")

Dateline--Bellingham, WA, the US of A

Well, at first I was not pleased with the new album. I found it too much of departure from the traditional New Order "sound" (whatever that is). Krafty was an okay single, but certainly nothing the caliber of Here to Stay or even Crystal. I miss the Joy Division influence that could still be heard on Get Ready (Primitive Notion, anyone?), and many of the songs on the new album lack the very dense layering that I love most in New Order's music (also found on the last album in songs like Someone Like You). The new songs have a much more traditional rock sound and, though I found myself liking some of the songs (such as the first 2), I wondered if I would really appreciate those songs if they had been done by any other rock band (I decided I probably wouldn't, since I'm a stubborn ass when it comes to new music). I don't really see why everyone compares it to Technique so much, but oh well. It's more a mix of Brotherhood, Republic, and a little Get Ready.

Much of my reluctance to various songs on the album was the lack of a really top-notch single like Here to Stay or even Crystal. I found myself listening to individual songs instead of the album as a whole, and that made for more difficult listening since it makes the album really seem like a mish-mash of different sounds. It isn't split into fairly neat sides of the band's sound (guitar and synth) like on Brotherhood and Technique. The lack of a strong electronic element was another source of great displeasure for me at first. But then I began to listen to the album as a whole and it really began growing on me, including the songs that I initially disliked and felt didn't fit in. So now WFTSC and I are on good terms and I'm greatly looking forward to buying the finished copy once it's out. But until then, here is my song-by-song review:

Who's Joe:

Very nice geetar song. I like the stings at the beginning. Barney's lyrics are very good on this album for the most part, even surprisingly good (for him at least). 8.0

Hey Now What You Doing:

Whoever said this has a Neil Young sound to it is right. Doesn't help much that the first line of lyrics is virtually identical to the first line of the previous song, but hey--the album's supposed to FLOW, right? They should've kept the original title. Good guitar song, anyway. Doesn't sound like anything NO have really done before. 7.5

WFTSC:

Fooking classic! Easily one of THE best songs on the album, if not the best. Very melancholy. Totally makes me think of Brotherhood...has As It Is When It Was written all over it (minus the LWTUA bassline from the earlier song). Nice synths. Very good lyrics. Can't go wrong with sailing cliches--er, metaphors. 9.0

Krafty:

This song isn't Here to Stay....which is really too bad, because the album could use a Here to Stay. However, it is a catchy song once you get past the Turn My Way-style lyrics. This one has more serious synths than most on the album, but it's just too happy poppy for me to really dig it the way I should. Again, it's no Here to Stay. No surprise why it was picked as the first single, as it sounds most like the recognizable New Order vibe than most all other tracks on the album. Still, this fact alone doesn't make it as good as a number of the others. 8.0

I Told You So:

I was very hesistant to like this at first. Too much unlike New Order. Reminded me way too much of a certain filthy terrible song from Republic, so I half expected Barney to start singing about children running in Port Royal Town. Then I started to really groove on the electronic beats, especially as it becomes more of a rock song. Now it's one of my faves on the album. 8.5

Morning, Night, and Day:

Other than Krafty, this one sounds the closest to an older New Order sound to my ears. Love the synths on it, though they aren't terribly layered. Also like older Order, we have some weak lyrics. But dancable and very catchy. Definitely one of the best tracks on the album. Some twangy guitars courtesy of Mr. Marr's influence, I'd say. This one would've made a great single. 9.0

Dracula's Castle:

Piss-poor title. This one has a sound very reminiscent of Get Ready to me. The synth line is decent, but not nearly prominent enough (as on most songs on the album). So goodbye, love. Once the synths come to the fore between verses and at the end of the song, it's much nicer. I like this song. 7.5

Jetstream:

Tristan can attest that I HATED this song at first. Idiotic pop garbage. I mean, the chorus has me thinking that Scissor person was going to be replaced by Aretha Franklin singing "J-E-T...find out what it means to me!" So corny. But eventually...after a long while...it finally started growing on me. Long! Live! Love! I even started liking the backing vocals, even though I've never heard anything by the Scissor Sisters. Oh well, TIMES CHANGE. 8.0

Guilt is a Useless Emotion:

I wanted this one to be so GOOD. I really did. I wanted it to be the synth paradise I was waiting for. Instead, it's more of a typical Eurotrash disco track (like PSB). I think the cheesy female vocal samples threw me. Sounds rather like Electronic, which I'm not much partial to. But after quite a long time also, this one started growing on me as well (surprise!). Good dance track, but not the typical New Order dance sound. Hum. 8.0

Turn:

Again, tearing a page out of the songbook of Neil (and I don't mean Tennant this time)--I half expected Barney to start singing "Keep on rockin' in the free world" when I heard the first guitar line. This one does have a bit of Dream Attack feel to it (minus the lush synths I so love). Nicely melancholy like the first 3 tracks (if this album was structured more like Brotherhood or Technique, this song would be clumped in with those other tracks). Not enough synths, but decent enough. A very good track. 8.5

Working Overtime:

I like this song, though it sounds nothing like anything New Order has done before. It certainly has that Stooges garage-rock sound to it. I just don't know that it fits at the end of the album. Turn could've made a better final track, but this one leaves us "rocking," as they say. At least Barney punctuates the lines in this with "heys" instead of "whoops." Time will tell what he does in the live situation.... 7.0

All in all, the "flow" (god, I hate that term) of the album is very nice. The first 3 tracks obviously belong together, Krafty moves us on to an upbeat NO-ish single with more dancy synths, then further into electronic land with the next few tracks (with more of a guitar interjection by Dracula's Castle), some more pop fuzz with Jetstream and the Eurotrash Guilt, then back into geetars with the last two tracks.

Props to New Order on a quality new product! I look forward to these songs being repackaged into the next "Best Of" disc.

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Oups... Just hesitating between Fast Synth and J-E-T as a 2d single... The latter is my favourite; it may need a "single remix" implying a shorter intro, but it is a really catchy song with 2 good tunes to remember. And it would surf on Scissor Sisters' tad (which could also justify that it can't be released as a single... OH WELL: NO management, do your job !)

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The album really has grown on me. First time on, I thought "Oh well, decent effort ..." but many plays later I think WFTSC, Krafty and Fast Synth thing are well on the way to being real favourites that stand comparison with neworder at their best. It's the little touches, deceptively simple synth lines and interplay of bass and lead guitar, that do it.

One comparison few if any people have made yet is with Brotherhood - the album has a similar feel to me, with a mix of keyboard and guitar based sounds and trebley synth bits. In both cases, the songs are all more like 5 mins plus than 3-4. I can't remember if Brotherhood was all written in the studio too.

I still am not converted to the qualities of Hey Joe - seems OK but not exceptional to me so far.

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New Order made it again.

One week later.. the more I listen to it, the more I like it.

Now I can assure you that the title track is indeed the best song of the album, it's a very beautiful gem.

Bernard's vocals are probably one of his best to date.

But now I'm quite curious of what remixers will be able to do with this. :skeptic:

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I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!

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Bloody HELL.............here is MUFFY!How you doing?Nice to hear from you.First HUNTSMAN then MUFFY.We only need MARTIN and it will be the RETURN OF THE THREE WISE MEN!Beggars BELIEF. Will we see you at a gig is the BIG ISSUE? Regards Rocket Mick :thumb:

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Originally posted by Rocket Mick Bloody HELL.............here is MUFFY!How you doing?Nice to hear from you.First HUNTMAN then MUFFY.We only need MARTIN and it will be the RETURN OF THE THREE WISE MEN!Beggars BELIEF.Will we see you at a gig is the BIG ISSUE?Regards Rocket Mick :thumb:

How's things buckethead? Feel like chicken tonight??

New album's GASH, eh?

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After 10 or so listens...

Who’s Joe – 8 A key element in most good New Order song is the intro. The subtle textures before the vocals are just what an opening track should have, teasing you gradually in to the tune to come, in particular those classic No synthesised strings. Very much in the story telling style of Love Vigilantes and 1963, with Barney doing his bit for the Salvation Army helping Joe get off the streets (?). Definitely not a single but a great aperitif for the main course to follow.

Hey Now What You Doing? – 7.5 One thing to note about this album is that it pulls all the best influences from Electronic’s past (guitar led and euro-pop). Maybe Mr C had something to do with that, with a sudden injection of Marr style licks to the classic No sound.

WFTSC – 9 Classic, classic melancholy…think Love Less and Dream Attack infused in to one, but not stopping there. Loads of bouncebackability shown here…definitely the Technique echos are present but this a classic from 2005 and in 10 years nobody will mention that it could have come from the 1989 era. But this demonstrates that No are timeless!!! The female vocals at the end are the most subtly used vocals on any No track…not sure who provides them but a hint of that Astrid(?) off Vivid. It would sound great live in an intimate atmosphere (Britxton or smaller), so Glastonbury might not do it justice.

Krafty – 8.5 Talking of Glastonbury, if they started (most probable) with this perfect No pop guitar stylee in their set it would soon get the adrenalin a pumping. The lyrics are certainly not as emotionally attachable as Regret but all the No elements are their, and to be honest once the tune is firmly stuck in your noggin it wouldn’t matter if it was sung in deepest darkest Welsh. Yes I was a convert to this song and not ashamed to admit it. Possibly the most powerful drumming than any single that has preceded it. The drums possibly louder in the mix than Murder!!!

I Told You So – 7.5 If you do not expect too much from the choruses of Barney’s singing (too high pitched even for him) this is the evolved “Turn the Heater on” for 2005. It cant even be pinned down as dance hall or reggae because those Velvet-esque rambling guitar riffs give it a new style that I don’t even think the Mondays ever achieved. Hat’s off to them for trying this kind of style…certainly one to turn up loud when in your car on a hot summers day with a rum and coke (whilst not at the wheel of course).

Morning, Night and Day – 7.5 Again a nod to the Electronic guitar style however with a great blend of Hooky. Close to a live anthem I would say but maybe a couple of ingredients missing for an absolute classic. It certainly has got a good pulsing beat to it…but does not stand up against the best on the album.

Dracula’s Castle – 7 This is a grower but leans on a couple of Raise the Pressure vocal tunes for inspiration. Musically there are some Vanishing Point flavours near the end but prior to that it is a little directionless, but as a grower I may change my mind when the sun is blazing come June.

Jetstream – 6.5 Throw-away Pop! Anamatronixnova certainly didn’t ruin it, but I expected this to be a faster beast. Maybe that will come with the remixes when it is a single. It might be a remix that actually propels it further up the chart similar to the way K-Klass mainstream danced it up for Ruined In a Day. Unfortunately catchy and you know it when you wake up with it ringing around your head at 6am on a Saturday morning. Grrr! Will it run out of aviation BP unleaded….only time will tell?

Guilt is a Useless Emotion – 5 Maybe I’m going to be Un-PC here……. but this is GAY euro dance! Weakest song on the album. A dance classic…..capital NO! Trying to sound like mainstream dance circa 1994…..YES! Wouldn’t have sounded out of place on Electronic’s debut, but would have been the weak link there. Annoying vocals both by Mr S’s and some shiela. Next >

Turn – 9.5 The best CLASSIC song since Regret (but actually maybe Dream Attack), which if anything is more worthy of being a single than the album title track. It has to be said I haven’t had shivers down my spine and my emotions stirred like this since (some of WFTSC and) Dream Attack. Never has Barney given so much emotion to his vocals and really meant them! What ever music the UK and the rest of the WORLD’s public are in to I challenge them not to be affected by the music, vocals and lyrics on this. Yes, I did shed a tear when I first heard it. May be a 10 if they it didn't end it so abruptly (but hey this might be the promo version).

Working Overtime – 8 Well it doesn’t really fit in to the album this garage rock stomper however who know’s this might be a “hidden” delayed track at the end of Turn. It would be a first for No to do this but there are some uncharistically un-No moments on this album anyway. Nirvana’s Nevermind took the piss with its hidden track but a 30 second delay after Turn might work out for the better. The song itself, well it’s a mature, tighter Rock the Shack and a great way to end a concert I reckon, similar to Sister Ray’s endless jamming. A departure musically but I can’t keep still in my car to this and that’s a good sign.

OVERALL 8/10 (Yes, it is the best album since Technique!) :thumb:

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I have been really ILL for about 4 days.When i received the album i only played it TWICE.My ears were hurting.Nothing to do with the album,just part of the illness.I am HAVING A GOOD RUN OF BAD LUCK.So too early to comment on FOGHORN.But as you know the ROCKET WILL LAUNCH.You can't keep a bad man down! Great to see your comments.That will stir things here! :laugh: I truly hope you are well and i was glad to hear all about you from SHUGZV when you met HOOKY!You still gathering THE KNOWLEDGE?I am out of work but only for a few days probably.I have to do some right crap now to get my money.Not been drinking (well once) this year.So i am not the OLD ROCKET but OLD ROCKET if you get my drift.Hang around this time...don't run off.I need the EXPERIENCE and classic stories you provide.KEEP THE FAITH J.E.T ROCKET LOVER -they even named a track after ME!The cads! :D

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Barney's vocals ain't loud enough, apart from that it is growing on me :thumb:

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Originally posted by 777 Diggy Mike 777 Barney's vocals ain't loud enough, apart from that it is growing on me :thumb:

You actually LISTEN to studio albums then.JUDAS!:D

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Barney sounds like he's having runny nose :evil4:

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Originally posted by Muffy I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!:smoking:

Alright, trust you're in the rudest of health. How many listens have you given it?

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Lordsy - 9 Road To Ruin - 9.5 Waiting For The Sirens' Call - 10.0 (a classic, it has to be a single, probably their best song since Round & Round) Krafty - 8.5 I Told You So - 6 (oh I thought that was just me spotting these Ace Of Base connections) Pop 1 - 8 Minidisc 2 - 7.5 Jet - 6.5 Fast Synth - 7.5 (the song is fantastic until the lady starts to sing in the chorus) Turn - 8.5 Working Overtime - 7

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Originally posted by Muffy I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!:smoking:

Very good to see a few words from you, Sir M. Hope you've been well.

Since I haven't heard the album, I can only hope that this is in the same vein as the Muffy who pretended to like Slow Jam.

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personally i don't take much notice of pre-release review as from experience people where raving about republic and it was a hell of a disappointment when i heard it. Similiarly get ready was panned pre-release and i loved it.

to be honest i think those who've heard it, should shut the fook up as its rather like someone dangling a bag of heroin in front of a junkie:eek3:

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So far 4 songs are fooking ACE: Joe, Dracula, Working Overtime and Turn. :clap:

On the other hand, Guilt is an useless emotion and I told you so are BS. :thumbdown:

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Originally posted by john carrington to be honest i think those who've heard it, should shut the fook up as its rather like someone dangling a bag of heroin in front of a junkie:eek3:

Perhaps you should just stop reading this thread if you don't want to be hurt, pal... :smoking:

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Originally posted by NObabe So far 4 songs are fooking ACE: Joe, Dracula, Working Overtime and Turn. :clap:On the other hand, Guilt is an useless emotion and I told you so are BS. :thumbdown:

Somehow, I am under the deep impression that you hate synths and techno. :uhoh:

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Well noticed. I love the guitary side of NO. :thumb:

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I've only heard a few of the tracks but Who's Joe? is fooking fantastic!! :thumb::clap:

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Turn reminds me of Watch Me Bleed by Tears For Fears

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Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by Muffy> I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!> > :smoking:

Alright, trust you're in the rudest of health. How many listens have you given it?

How do Hanky! I'm always in rude health, as you know. Twenty plus listens i'd say. They just don't cut it no more in my book, and i'm not going to treat this shoddy effort like it was the second coming of Christ just because it's a New Order album. Truth is, it's just an average album. Completely unremarkable. I wish they hadn't bothered.

:smoking:

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