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Originally posted by Patrick > Originally posted by Muffy> I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!> > :smoking:

Very good to see a few words from you, Sir M. Hope you've been well.

Since I haven't heard the album, I can only hope that this is in the same vein as the Muffy who pretended to like Slow Jam.

Hi there G Man! Hope you are well too. And safe!

Unfortunately, on this occassion, my comments are entirely based on the overwhelming feeling of disappointment that comes when you realise that something you once saw as unique and fresh is now plain ordinary and bland. This new album is a duffer! It'll be filling the bargain buckets at a Wallmart near you soon!

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Originally posted by Muffy > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by Muffy> I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!> > :smoking:

Alright, trust you're in the rudest of health. How many listens have you given it?

How do Hanky! I'm always in rude health, as you know. Twenty plus listens i'd say. They just don't cut it no more in my book, and i'm not going to treat this shoddy effort like it was the second coming of Christ just because it's a New Order album. Truth is, it's just an average album. Completely unremarkable. I wish they hadn't bothered.

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Fair enough, I was totally underwhelmed at first. Sounds like it's not an initial reaction. Are you gonna bother with any concerts?

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listen carefully to title track's final part. Back vocal by Gillian?!?! :love2:

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Who's Joe- Am I the only one who thinks the chorus to this is a Hendrix reference? Big, sweeping, creeping pseudo-orchestral opening. Somewhat similar to the dragging opening of Crystal except without someone groaning and moaning over it. The opening verses are a bit flaccid, but it evens out once the bridge to the first chorus starts up. Pretty good instrumentals, even with that abrupt guitar wailing at 4:30. Love Vigilantes 2.
7 out of 10

Hey Now What You Doing- God, the dog opens up sounding like a fuggin Aerosmith track. Lyrics alternate between Bernard-clever and Bernard-braindead. Synths make a few token appearances in between the Britpop guitar walls to remind you that yes, in fact, this is a New Order joint. 7 out of 10

Title track- Imagine Technique's All The Way or Love Less reinterpreted by some bunch of britpop neophytes. Sentimental yet still rocky, Technique-lovers will be hooked on this one and it has much promise as a live anthem. 8 out of 10

Krafty- Such a Good Thing and Way of Life's bastard lovechild. Catchy to the brink of insipidness and tightly composed, using this as the first single suggests that indeed, Get Ready is dead. Let's hear it live. 8 out of 10

I Told You So- Like many others have said, this is the first "What the flying FUCK?" moment of this album. This track sounds as if it were donated to NO by a co-op between Ace of Base and Maxi Priest. I could have sworn the last line of the chorus was "And we'll all get, high down in Kingston Town". Take out the verses and leave only the choruses in and maybe you have a decent track. 5 out of 10

Morning Night and Day- How the hell does 'drunken haze' rhyme with 'window pane'? Catchy yet forgettable. It's like the entire repetoire of Blur. 6 out of 10

Dracula's Castle- Cool synths punctuated by Hooky's somewhat-muffled bass and a twangy indie rock guitar sound that sounds nicked from The Music's Cessation. There's just something about the synths here, the closing chords sound downright like the classic keyboard tapping at the end of Dream Attack. 9 out of 10

Jetstream- Fucking lame. Unbearable lyrics and boring, processed synthesizer loops that all sound almost good until the chorus kicks in. Then you're desperately fumbling for the controls to skip the bloody track. They should have given this to Stefani. 4 out of 10

Guilt is a Useless Emotion- An improvement over J-E-T Jetstream Fucker. I knew NO were originally inspired by Italo disco and Summers, but this is ludicrous. I hate it every 1st time I listen to it and then like it on every other playing. This will be a massive discotheque hit on both sides of the Atlantic; Japan will eat it up. 6 out of 10

Turn- Ladies and Gentlemen, say hello to the Order's new live powerhouse tune. Turn sounds like all of Brotherhood rolled into a single 4 minute track. The chorus makes the bugger incredibly radio friendly. I can almost hear this being played on shopping mall PA systems already. 9 out of 10

Working Overtime- Please Lord don't end the album with this. Sounds as if Barney had 45 minutes to think up the lyrics. Just like Rock the Shack, except less embarassing. "It's 1969 for me and you..." 5 out of 10

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Fantastic. Almost 50 years old with some 30 years in the music business and they can still surprise us. I think some are disappointed because it is so unlike what they were expecting, but then that is what NewOrder have shown to be best at--evolving.

A couple of minor complaints: the guitar around the 4.30 mark of Who's Joe? doesn't really flow with the song; Hooky's bass is too low at times; Working Overtime should have been in the middle of the album as Turn would have ended it on a real high note.

One MAJOR complaint: I won't get to see the bastards live. :ohwell:

I don't want to rate songs individually yet as it is too early (listened to it ~5 times in the last day) and it is better to look at WFTSC as a whole. A wonderful album which puts Get Ready in the shade--songs I can enjoy without trying.

Well done lads and I look forward to getting my hands on the real thing in March!

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I am breaking the rules by not going track by track, but I do want to comment on the new lp:

It reminds me of the very glossy produced British pop stuff of the 80s and 90s, and I think is going to be a hit with the more mature British audience (as opposed to the kids)....

It reminds me of my trips to England listening to pop radio in the rental cars.... something about the sound, hard to explain, like Pet Shop Boys, like a lot of Republic was... it is very opposite from say LowLife or Getready....

I see this lp as being very Top 40 in England. I live in the US and am not sure what stations would play it here. It is not really edgy enough for the alternative US stations... (by the way I hate our US alt rock stations...)

I personally LOVE this lp, but do think it has a gloss, a professional sheen, that may turn off some folks who were expecting more of the Joy Division side of New Order...

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Originally posted by Muffy Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!

*It may be true, the most of the album has a mainstream sound. But it's the quality that's totally different, the quality of the sound and the tune. For example Franz Ferdinand may sound like, say, Gang Of Four, but there's an abyss in quality between these two bands. And anyway it's New Order who invented pop, so maybe it's the mainstream which is inspired by New Order, and not the opposite. But I'm still not sure, because you can hear days and days of mainstream radio and you'll never hear anything half as good as the title track or Guilt (fookin long titles...), and nothing with a bass like Hooky's, or drums like Steve's... so what happened? Just that New Order are more commercial... but they don't sound like the mainstream at all... and luckily so because if the mainstream was as good I'd spend my whole wage on records! :D

Something I've noticed better lately: there are some weird noises on this album, which is cool! Who's Joe around 05.26 (I like how the most of the songs are more than 5 minutes long) or I Told You So 05.32 (fookin hell, what's this? the gregorian choir sampled on Blue Monday?), the whistling sample at the beginning of Jet, the shoegazing guitar feedback low in the mix but present in Guilt! :eek:

BTW, once again, Turn must be single! :thumb: It would mean millions and getting back some of the money lost in the Hacienda which Hooky still moans about even after all the Warners cash... ;)

And I'm also in love with the female vocals in the final of the title track! :love2:

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um, a few observations about this thread...

what is up with people needing to assign art with numbers?

seems oddly obsessional.... and sad. especially, considering most of us like lowlife one week, then republic the next.... my top ten list would change weekly... so what is the point?

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before i heard the lp, i purposely avoided this thread. if you have not yet figured out how to obtain the songs (hint, it involves using a modem and your computer) then just avoid any threads regarding the new lp! i did for days. I personally HATE spoilers and avoid them... so should you!

and, we are all hardcore fans and WILL be purchasing at least one copy of the final release. I cannot even imagine how much cash I have invested in New Order over the years. I think it is ok for some of us to sneak a listen....

speaking of which, with even more listens, I can confirm this lp IS a grower, like the best lps are, and reminds me of Twisted Tenderness but better... in fact, it reminds of when Electronic was putting out lps and we all said 'electronic would be so much better with hook and stephen' - well , here is that wish fulfilled... but it is also like Monaco with Sumner and Morris.... I guess I would say this lp sounds like New Order..... yeah.

I assign it a 9.475, no, a 9.3, no wait, a 9,.... no, a 9.9.... 9.3141...

p.s. I HATE the title of Draculas Castle.... embarrassingly pathetic... I can barely even listen to the song cause I think of Count Chocula cereal or some goth cartoon or something.... my non new order friends are gonna harass me about that song title....

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I must say, the chorus on "Who's Joe?" is very powerful. This song is a serious enhancement of Prodigal Son, but it only misses a guitar solo... which are not typical of New Order anyways...

But it's a bit sad the rest of the vocals are a little flat, because when the chorus kicks in, the song is SO good..

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Originally posted by Muffy > Originally posted by Patrick> > > > Originally posted by Muffy> > I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!> > > > :smoking:>

Very good to see a few words from you, Sir M. Hope you've been well.

Since I haven't heard the album, I can only hope that this is in the same vein as the Muffy who pretended to like Slow Jam.

Hi there G Man! Hope you are well too. And safe!

Unfortunately, on this occassion, my comments are entirely based on the overwhelming feeling of disappointment that comes when you realise that something you once saw as unique and fresh is now plain ordinary and bland. This new album is a duffer! It'll be filling the bargain buckets at a Wallmart near you soon!

:smoking:

Quite safe here, thanks, for the moment at least.

Well, if your evalation turns out to be mine as well, it would have been a lot to expect that people who did what they started doing so many years ago could keep it up at anything like the same level now.

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'I told you so' is fucking ACE (of base) :evil4:

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Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by Muffy> > > > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> > Originally posted by Muffy> I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!> > :smoking:

Alright, trust you're in the rudest of health. How many listens have you given it?

How do Hanky! I'm always in rude health, as you know. Twenty plus listens i'd say. They just don't cut it no more in my book, and i'm not going to treat this shoddy effort like it was the second coming of Christ just because it's a New Order album. Truth is, it's just an average album. Completely unremarkable. I wish they hadn't bothered.

:smoking:

Fair enough, I was totally underwhelmed at first. Sounds like it's not an initial reaction. Are you gonna bother with any concerts?

Most definitely. Only for the social gathering though. The gig will only be an interuption to festivities!

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Originally posted by Tarbox23 um, a few observations about this thread...what is up with people needing to assign art with numbers?seems oddly obsessional.... and sad.

Art?

It's music ya bawbag (for our American pals, this also means halfwit and gobshite and eedjit and numpty.....just realised these are all Scottish words as well, but ye's know what I mean)

Obsessional? yep the missus would agree with you.

Sad? Probably.

Having read yer post, I have one question.....do you wear a cardigan and smoke a pipe?

Tongue firmly in cheek here, but looking for a witty response

:p

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Originally posted by Muffy > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by Muffy> > > > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> > Originally posted by Muffy> I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!> > :smoking:

Alright, trust you're in the rudest of health. How many listens have you given it?

How do Hanky! I'm always in rude health, as you know. Twenty plus listens i'd say. They just don't cut it no more in my book, and i'm not going to treat this shoddy effort like it was the second coming of Christ just because it's a New Order album. Truth is, it's just an average album. Completely unremarkable. I wish they hadn't bothered.

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Fair enough, I was totally underwhelmed at first. Sounds like it's not an initial reaction. Are you gonna bother with any concerts?

Most definitely. Only for the social gathering though. The gig will only be an interuption to festivities!

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Bland? Yer brain's sizzled with the amount of smoking you do.....have a few beers then listen to the album. See you at the gigs:D

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Originally posted by ShugZV© > Originally posted by Muffy> > > > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> > Originally posted by Muffy> > > > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> > Originally posted by Muffy> I'm staggered by the reception this album has got from you lot!! The new album is the absolute epitome of blandness!! No more engaging than the average pop pap that fills the airwaves these days, no more engaging than the latest release from Busted, Kylie, or Robbie!! It is an Average Joe of an album - a foot tapper here, a foot tapper there - but nothing that will grab you by the balls like an Age Of Consent or Perfect Kiss! Yes folks, New Order are now firmly rooted in the realm of mainstream pop, and they ain't ever comin' back!!> > :smoking:

Alright, trust you're in the rudest of health. How many listens have you given it?

How do Hanky! I'm always in rude health, as you know. Twenty plus listens i'd say. They just don't cut it no more in my book, and i'm not going to treat this shoddy effort like it was the second coming of Christ just because it's a New Order album. Truth is, it's just an average album. Completely unremarkable. I wish they hadn't bothered.

:smoking:

Fair enough, I was totally underwhelmed at first. Sounds like it's not an initial reaction. Are you gonna bother with any concerts?

Most definitely. Only for the social gathering though. The gig will only be an interuption to festivities!

:smoking:

Bland? Yer brain's sizzled with the amount of smoking you do.....have a few beers then listen to the album. See you at the gigs:D

If we keep replying to quotes it creates a nice wee pattern. And yes, I am bored shitless cos the Celtic game was called off!

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Originally posted by Tarbox23 seems oddly obsessional.... and sad. especially, considering most of us like lowlife one week, then republic the next.... my top ten list would change weekly... so what is the point?

Mat, re-read your own thread before calling people sad. :laugh:

I've never heard anyone admit to being worried that their friends might pick on them cos New order have titled a song 'Dracula's Castle'. You have issues, Mr T! Deal with it! :nod:

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I decided to give in to temptation (har har), and havent really listened to it enough to comment yet. I love Guilt is a useless emotion, turn, morning night and day, and sires. My favourite is "hey joe", and I hope they play it live.

It is fantastic overall, the best we could hope for at this stage. That distinctive sound is still there, and I think Bernards lyrics and vocals are much much better than Get Ready. It is the best album since technique. Hope they tour it lots, full review later.

Also : thanks to those who were kind, you know who you are. :thumb:

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I've just had my first listen.

After 19 years of pure devotion to the cause I'm just embarrassed by this album. Lightweight dad-rock....actually sorry, even my dad would be too embarrassed to play this dross!! NO were the greatest...now they're not...and I want to cry!!

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Skullcrusher wrote: I've just had my first listen.

After 19 years of pure devotion to the cause I'm just embarrassed by this album. Lightweight dad-rock....actually sorry, even my dad would be too embarrassed to play this dross!! NO were the greatest...now they're not...and I want to cry!!

sucks to be you then.

BTW, who here expected newOrder to return with a "groundbreaking", "experimental" or even "adventurous" album? Would those same people please look at a calendar, factor the number of years since 1984 and stab yourselves in the heart that many times. New Order are not 20yr old musicians, they have nothing to prove and will never, NEVER write a song like Perfect Kiss, Procession or even Vanishing Point again.

enjoy it for what it is and get over your hang-ups.

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Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

Skullcrusher wrote: I've just had my first listen.

After 19 years of pure devotion to the cause I'm just embarrassed by this album. Lightweight dad-rock....actually sorry, even my dad would be too embarrassed to play this dross!! NO were the greatest...now they're not...and I want to cry!!

sucks to be you then.

BTW, who here expected newOrder to return with a "groundbreaking", "experimental" or even "adventurous" album? Would those same people please look at a calendar, factor the number of years since 1984 and stab yourselves in the heart that many times. New Order are not 20yr old musicians, they have nothing to prove and will never, NEVER write a song like Perfect Kiss, Procession or even Vanishing Point again.

enjoy it for what it is and get over your hang-ups.

Stabbing myself in the heart as I type, Brian! Good point, and humorously put. You ARE the height of modern wit.

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I thought by the time the opening melodica notes of Love Vigilantes came up, it was readily apparent that New Order had given up on trying to be Kraftwerk 2 or Joy Division-With-A-New-Wave-Chick.

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Skullcrusher, I don’t know how you could come to that conclusion with this album, but not after Get Ready. This album hasn’t got a “Vanishing Point” or “Perfect Kiss” on it, nor was it ever going to. Ive been listening to it for the past 48 or so hours, and think its really really good. Better tunes than Get Ready, and a better album than Republic (by a long way).

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Why should we lower our expectations? I know times change (no pun intended) and NO were not likely to break any new ground but its no reason to compromise as if to say, "well they are old now so what do you expect?"

Get Ready had some instant, classic NO moments of power and melancholy. I'm sorry to say this one sounds to me like formula, half-hearted, clapped-out rubbish. If i wanted "nice" songs like this i'd have bought a Will Young cd!

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Skullcrusher wrote: Why should we lower our expectations? I know times change (no pun intended) and NO were not likely to break any new ground but its no reason to compromise as if to say, "well they are old now so what do you expect?"

Get Ready had some instant, classic NO moments of power and melancholy. I'm sorry to say this one sounds to me like formula, half-hearted, clapped-out rubbish. If i wanted "nice" songs like this i'd have bought a Will Young cd!

I can recommend a good Paul Young cover if you'd prefer that.

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me like............... (in no particular order)

turn who's joe hey now what you doing guilt is a useless emotion dracula's castle

me like.................(not so much)

jetstream morning night and day i told you so working overtime krafty waiting for the siren's call

delete from ipod.................

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I do like 'I Told You So'.Barney`s vocals are confident and kind of cool.Love the guitar in this song.The track reminds me in a way of Times Change from Republic .That kind of new experimentation.Times Change is a very underrated track and for me is my current favourite from that album.

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Time to bring that monster back!

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i really REALLY didnt think id be able to say this, but - WFTSC is easily the best record since technique, and pisses all over Get Ready. the main difference is that there are way too many tracks on Get Ready that are cringe-worthy and unlistenable. granted, it did have Crystal (one the finest new order singles to date), but WFTSC sounds like an 'album', and knowing that it will soundtrack my summer makes me a very happy boy.

its not groundbreaking, and its certainly flawed in places, but i really couldnt give it any less than an 8 out of 10.

Jetstream is kind of shit though. :laugh:

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Who’s Joe? - Sounds like Dirty Vegas to me, 5/10 Hey Now What You Doing - I like, 7/10 Waiting For The Sirens’ Call - This took SEVERAL listens to really click, 9/10 Krafty - I like it a lot, 8.5/10 I Told You So - Really like this too, 8.5/10 Morning Night And Day - My initial favorite, taken over by the better stuff now:), 8.5/10 Dracula’s Castle - always in my head,They should've closed the album with this (def reminds me of Dream Attack at the end) 9.5/10 Jetstream - I like it, and like the remix on Peter Tong's show, 8/10 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion - Good, 7.5/10 Turn - Really is that good:) 9.5/10 Working Overtime - I think its good (i liked Rock the Shack too) 8/10

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Kyle Scherer wrote: Who’s Joe? - Sounds like Dirty Vegas to me, 5/10 Hey Now What You Doing - I like, 7/10 Waiting For The Sirens’ Call - This took SEVERAL listens to really click, 9/10 Krafty - I like it a lot, 8.5/10 I Told You So - Really like this too, 8.5/10 Morning Night And Day - My initial favorite, taken over by the better stuff now:), 8.5/10 Dracula’s Castle - always in my head,They should've closed the album with this (def reminds me of Dream Attack at the end) 9.5/10 Jetstream - I like it, and like the remix on Peter Tong's show, 8/10 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion - Good, 7.5/10 Turn - Really is that good:) 9.5/10 Working Overtime - I think its good (i liked Rock the Shack too) 8/10

Finally someone else who's willing to say something good about ITYS.

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