I think this new album, as it seems to be a return to roots for New Order, will make us all appreciate the creativity and the risks New Order took in Get Ready. I think Waiting for the Siren's Call will make a better album out of Get Ready.
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The new album is more a return to roots than Get Ready? You're dreaming.... If nothing else, this new album makes me appreciate Get Ready more because it was less a departure from the classic New Order sound than WFTSC.
Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope The new album is more a return to roots than Get Ready? You're dreaming.... If nothing else, this new album makes me appreciate Get Ready more because it was less a departure from the classic New Order sound than WFTSC.
I hear the album Movement and I hear a hybrid of electronics and guitars (Chosen Time, Senses, etc) and Get Ready reminded me more of Joy Divison. I guess technically Joy Divison is New Order's roots but I am talking about the traditionally heard New Order sound like Blue Monday, The Perfect Kiss, True Faith which are not overly guitary songs like on Get Ready.
So "roots" was not a good choice of words but when most casual fans of New Order I know of say that Get Ready didnt sound much like them, it was too much rock. I am saying in this thread that those people will like it more when they hear WFTSC. I loved Get Ready and I think I like it even more now.
Define "New Order roots" ?
I believe there is no such thing.
To me, Get Ready was the logical way to go after rediscovering the "lost legacy" of Joy Division.... except the more poppy tunes of course.
This New Order album, which could have been better actually, we'll be able to fully appreciate this session's work when we'll have the OTHER new album with the other 7 tracks, is a way to please the fan base and getting a more "classic" signature sound.
But still, if Get Ready was said to be "Twisted Tenderness with Hooky", I believe this one, even if you still feel the Electronic vibe, which is normal since it's been part of Bernard for a decade, you see more impact from the other members...
Originally posted by Spotnick Define "New Order roots" ?I believe there is no such thing.To me, Get Ready was the logical way to go after rediscovering the "lost legacy" of Joy Division.... except the more poppy tunes of course.This New Order album, which could have been better actually, we'll be able to fully appreciate this session's work when we'll have the OTHER new album with the other 7 tracks, is a way to please the fan base and getting a more "classic" signature sound.But still, if Get Ready was said to be "Twisted Tenderness with Hooky", I believe this one, even if you still feel the Electronic vibe, which is normal since it's been part of Bernard for a decade, you see more impact from the other members...
Okay. Good points except I am really stoked about these new songs...
Get Ready is the NO album that I have re-listened to the least - after the first month or so I hardly dusted it off again and only recently did I get it out for a another go - nope, overall still pretty forgettable. Even Republic got a more extended listen. How many of us will be listening to Get Ready in 15/20 yrs time like their other albums?
Originally posted by dub Get Ready is the NO album that I have re-listened to the least - after the first month or so I hardly dusted it off again and only recently did I get it out for a another go - nope, overall still pretty forgettable. Even Republic got a more extended listen. How many of us will be listening to Get Ready in 15/20 yrs time like their other albums?
I'll be listening to Get Ready much more than Republic, for damn sure. Republic is bottom of the barrel. And unfortunately, the new album has some of that feel to it. A little mix of Brotherhood, a little Get Ready, and a little Republic. But not the New Order I really love. 
Lets just see how it shapes up in 12 months-I think its great,but its NewOrder and its new so i wanna love it. I want to love all the albums-Republic has a lot of good stuff in it,and even though it was commercial it still had that extra bit to it. If anything its major fault was the fact it was the follow up to 'Technique' which was so good it couldn`t live up to it.
Originally posted by SteveOne Lets just see how it shapes up in 12 months-I think its great,but its NewOrder and its new so i wanna love it. I want to love all the albums-Republic has a lot of good stuff in it,and even though it was commercial it still had that extra bit to it. If anything its major fault was the fact it was the follow up to 'Technique' which was so good it couldn`t live up to it.
Well, I still rank Republic and Technique very close to each other at the bottom of my favorites list. No special preferences for Technique from me, thank you.
Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by SteveOne Lets just see how it shapes up in 12 months-I think its great,but its NewOrder and its new so i wanna love it. I want to love all the albums-Republic has a lot of good stuff in it,and even though it was commercial it still had that extra bit to it. If anything its major fault was the fact it was the follow up to 'Technique' which was so good it couldn`t live up to it.
Well, I still rank Republic and Technique very close to each other at the bottom of my favorites list. No special preferences for Technique from me, thank you.
Popey: I really don’t know how you could bracket Technique and Republic together. Technique is my favourite album ever, No bad tune, and some all time classics too.
If New Order have a shit album in them, then surely the B-side of Republic is it.
The only fault I could put on Technique is that it didn't have any 'stormer' tracks in the tradition of Broken Promise and Sunrise/Perfect Kiss on Brotherhood and Low-Life respectively. I suppose Round & Round was supposed to be in this niche, it's a mite tough to sound 'hard-hitting' with what sounds like programming on a 16-bit Nintendo minichip though.
That being said, Technique was the classicist, guitar and drums album Brotherhood wanted to be with some Ibiza tunes added in as filler.
Originally posted by Dashiell Hannett The only fault I could put on Technique is that it didn't have any 'stormer' tracks in the tradition of Broken Promise and Sunrise/Perfect Kiss on Brotherhood and Low-Life respectively. I suppose Round & Round was supposed to be in this niche, it's a mite tough to sound 'hard-hitting' with what sounds like programming on a 16-bit Nintendo minichip though.That being said, Technique was the classicist, guitar and drums album Brotherhood wanted to be with some Ibiza tunes added in as filler.
They're all Ibiza tunes. You just don't know what Ibiza tunes are.
They're all Ibiza tunes. You just don't know what Ibiza tunes are.
You got me. "Dance" tracks then?
Originally posted by Dashiell Hannett > They're all Ibiza tunes. You just don't know what Ibiza tunes are.You got me. "Dance" tracks then?
There's not much dancing going on at sunset at the Cafe Del Mar. I doubt you could get a more evocative impression of what Ibiza is about than that now cliched scene. A lot of New Order fans dismiss the Ibiza connection as they don't see a direct corrolation between Technique and a Judge Jules slamming set from Amnesia circa 1995. The Balearic spirit, if there is such a thing encompasses a sound which is a world away from your Judge Jules' or Dave Pearce's idea of it.
The likes of Alfredo, Pepe or Jose Padilla were the residents d.j.s at the Island's clubs in the late 80's. The music they exported was what became known as Balearic beat. Check out the early Weatherall mixes or Mental Generation's Cafe Del Mar or The Early Cafe Del Mar compilations. You'll find stuff by Chris Rea, Sueno Latino, Love Corporation, Sheer Taft, Diana Ross, Vangelis or My Blood Valentine on any quality Balearic beat compilation.
Originally posted by Jackson Withrow I think this new album, as it seems to be a return to roots for New Order, will make us all appreciate the creativity and the risks New Order took in Get Ready. I think Waiting for the Siren's Call will make a better album out of Get Ready.
To begin with, "return to their roots" is a phrase used too often by the music press typically when they can't be arsed to think of anything decent to say in reviews. 
I'm not saying you can't be arsed, but I don't understand what you mean by your use of that phrase here. Secondly, Get Ready took risks and was creative? Where exactly? I always thought Get Ready was one of the band's most riskless albums dominated (I'm sick of saying this but it has to be said) murkey guitar tracks with crashingly boring "trad-rock" arrangements. Think of the genius of the arrangements on Low-life, compared to the wall of fuzzy guitar sound on Get Ready? Is that really New Order doing what they do best? Don't get me wrong, the high points of Get Ready are clear: Crystal, Vicious Streak, Primitive Notion, Someone Like You (Good song, dreary album mix) are excellent songs. However the low points are really low: 60 MPH (A single?? A b-side's too good for it), Slow Jam, Close Range, and Rock The Shack. Close Range is not so much a bad track, but very forgettable and doesn't stick as a truly great song. The rest in that group are hideous, and ruin the album for me. I also was shocked at the band leaving off the two excellent b-sides from that period: Sabotage and Player in the League. Clearly they should have been on the finished LP in place of SJ and RTS.
The main problem with Get Ready was the production. The guitars overwhelm everything and Steve's drumming sounds horribly Pro-Tooled. Osborne and New Order don't seem to be a great creative match, certainly nowhere near good enough as the legendary New Order/Hauge partnership that produced the likes of True Faith, 1963 and Regret. Crystal comes close and is a great song, but the rest of GR just doesn't seem to work. It was like they were trying too hard to "rock" and as Barney said recently they were moving with a trend for rock music, but I was disappointed by him saying that because I've always regarded New Order as a band outside of normal trends.
WFTSC is a fucking great album, a return to form. You can actually hear melody in the mix now. The guitars sound more jangly, less harsh and inbetween the lines there is a clear melody line weaving away. It was missing or deeply buried in the mix for most of the GR songs. If the band had come out with Get Ready Part 2 now, I think I would have wound down my fandom for them and not bought it. I like to put down the wayward tracks on GR to their 8 years apart and Barney's misguided Neil Young influences, but WTFSC sounds so much more like the LP I wanted from them in 2001. With this new one my faith as a fan is restored and I'm looking forward to a very New Order 2005 with a couple of singles at least and a big UK tour. Get Ready had it's moments but is past now, and I do find it hard to believe my enthusiasm for what I've heard on the new LP will make me appreciate GR more. Sorry!
Ally.
I had all album tracks on my iTunes in random mode last night.
Someone Like You started to play. I'd like to say this track is TRULY howsome musically...
Just very sad that the cheesy chorus destroys it all... 
Originally posted by Ally3000 > Originally posted by Jackson Withrow> I think this new album, as it seems to be a return to roots for New Order, will make us all appreciate the creativity and the risks New Order took in Get Ready. I think Waiting for the Siren's Call will make a better album out of Get Ready.
To begin with, "return to their roots" is a phrase used too often by the music press typically when they can't be arsed to think of anything decent to say in reviews. I'm not saying you can't be arsed, but I don't understand what you mean by your use of that phrase here. Secondly, Get Ready took risks and was creative? Where exactly? I always thought Get Ready was one of the band's most riskless albums dominated (I'm sick of saying this but it has to be said) murkey guitar tracks with crashingly boring "trad-rock" arrangements. Think of the genius of the arrangements on Low-life, compared to the wall of fuzzy guitar sound on Get Ready? Is that really New Order doing what they do best? Don't get me wrong, the high points of Get Ready are clear: Crystal, Vicious Streak, Primitive Notion, Someone Like You (Good song, dreary album mix) are excellent songs. However the low points are really low: 60 MPH (A single?? A b-side's too good for it), Slow Jam, Close Range, and Rock The Shack. Close Range is not so much a bad track, but very forgettable and doesn't stick as a truly great song. The rest in that group are hideous, and ruin the album for me. I also was shocked at the band leaving off the two excellent b-sides from that period: Sabotage and Player in the League. Clearly they should have been on the finished LP in place of SJ and RTS.
The main problem with Get Ready was the production. The guitars overwhelm everything and Steve's drumming sounds horribly Pro-Tooled. Osborne and New Order don't seem to be a great creative match, certainly nowhere near good enough as the legendary New Order/Hauge partnership that produced the likes of True Faith, 1963 and Regret. Crystal comes close and is a great song, but the rest of GR just doesn't seem to work. It was like they were trying too hard to "rock" and as Barney said recently they were moving with a trend for rock music, but I was disappointed by him saying that because I've always regarded New Order as a band outside of normal trends.
WFTSC is a fucking great album, a return to form. You can actually hear melody in the mix now. The guitars sound more jangly, less harsh and inbetween the lines there is a clear melody line weaving away. It was missing or deeply buried in the mix for most of the GR songs. If the band had come out with Get Ready Part 2 now, I think I would have wound down my fandom for them and not bought it. I like to put down the wayward tracks on GR to their 8 years apart and Barney's misguided Neil Young influences, but WTFSC sounds so much more like the LP I wanted from them in 2001. With this new one my faith as a fan is restored and I'm looking forward to a very New Order 2005 with a couple of singles at least and a big UK tour. Get Ready had it's moments but is past now, and I do find it hard to believe my enthusiasm for what I've heard on the new LP will make me appreciate GR more. Sorry!
Ally.
As usual, I agree with Ally!
Originally posted by Ally3000 > Originally posted by Jackson Withrow> I think this new album, as it seems to be a return to roots for New Order, will make us all appreciate the creativity and the risks New Order took in Get Ready. I think Waiting for the Siren's Call will make a better album out of Get Ready.
To begin with, "return to their roots" is a phrase used too often by the music press typically when they can't be arsed to think of anything decent to say in reviews. I'm not saying you can't be arsed, but I don't understand what you mean by your use of that phrase here. Secondly, Get Ready took risks and was creative? Where exactly? I always thought Get Ready was one of the band's most riskless albums dominated (I'm sick of saying this but it has to be said) murkey guitar tracks with crashingly boring "trad-rock" arrangements. Think of the genius of the arrangements on Low-life, compared to the wall of fuzzy guitar sound on Get Ready? Is that really New Order doing what they do best? Don't get me wrong, the high points of Get Ready are clear: Crystal, Vicious Streak, Primitive Notion, Someone Like You (Good song, dreary album mix) are excellent songs. However the low points are really low: 60 MPH (A single?? A b-side's too good for it), Slow Jam, Close Range, and Rock The Shack. Close Range is not so much a bad track, but very forgettable and doesn't stick as a truly great song. The rest in that group are hideous, and ruin the album for me. I also was shocked at the band leaving off the two excellent b-sides from that period: Sabotage and Player in the League. Clearly they should have been on the finished LP in place of SJ and RTS.
The main problem with Get Ready was the production. The guitars overwhelm everything and Steve's drumming sounds horribly Pro-Tooled. Osborne and New Order don't seem to be a great creative match, certainly nowhere near good enough as the legendary New Order/Hauge partnership that produced the likes of True Faith, 1963 and Regret. Crystal comes close and is a great song, but the rest of GR just doesn't seem to work. It was like they were trying too hard to "rock" and as Barney said recently they were moving with a trend for rock music, but I was disappointed by him saying that because I've always regarded New Order as a band outside of normal trends.
WFTSC is a fucking great album, a return to form. You can actually hear melody in the mix now. The guitars sound more jangly, less harsh and inbetween the lines there is a clear melody line weaving away. It was missing or deeply buried in the mix for most of the GR songs. If the band had come out with Get Ready Part 2 now, I think I would have wound down my fandom for them and not bought it. I like to put down the wayward tracks on GR to their 8 years apart and Barney's misguided Neil Young influences, but WTFSC sounds so much more like the LP I wanted from them in 2001. With this new one my faith as a fan is restored and I'm looking forward to a very New Order 2005 with a couple of singles at least and a big UK tour. Get Ready had it's moments but is past now, and I do find it hard to believe my enthusiasm for what I've heard on the new LP will make me appreciate GR more. Sorry!
Ally.
Personally I thought 60mph was a good choice for second single, it got great receptions from audiences when toured live as well. What would you have picked Ally? Cos I certainly couldn't picture them putting out VS, PN or SLY, as much as I like them songs. 60mph had single written all over it. I will agree that the album didnae take any risks, but "trying too hard to rock" nah, they hadn't been in a studio for 7 or 8 years as New Order, they were trying to hard to sound like themselves. With the new album, and new flesh in the form of Phil, there's a refreshed aproach, they are all having a great craic and enjoying themselves again, you can clearly see this with the inclusion of Working Overtime, which is a stomping track. I would also disagree with leaving off Slow Jam and Rock The Shack for Sabotage and Player In The League. I still love SJ & RTS, and yes I know there are only a few who admit holding their hands up to this, but fuck it, I think they fit nicely with the rest of the album. Close Range was another that was brilliant for getting murdered at the front to. There are v ery few tracks that everyone agree's are classics, and while I agree that this is not a so called classic, it's still a fuckin good song. I am glad we agree on WFTSC though
I agree with Shug,
Slow jam is a good track, IMO rock the shack is a great tune - reminds me of Novelty in the way I want to bop along to them (ahem -air guitar- cough
)
I still find GR easy to listen to (like Technique) except for Turn my Way (i could do without Someone Like You & Vicious Streak also but thats just me) & rank it as one of NO's best
Originally posted by ShugZV©
Personally I thought 60mph was a good choice for second single, it got great receptions from audiences when toured live as well. What would you have picked Ally? Cos I certainly couldn't picture them putting out VS, PN or SLY, as much as I like them songs. 60mph had single written all over it. I will agree that the album didnae take any risks, but "trying too hard to rock" nah, they hadn't been in a studio for 7 or 8 years as New Order, they were trying to hard to sound like themselves. With the new album, and new flesh in the form of Phil, there's a refreshed aproach, they are all having a great craic and enjoying themselves again, you can clearly see this with the inclusion of Working Overtime, which is a stomping track. I would also disagree with leaving off Slow Jam and Rock The Shack for Sabotage and Player In The League. I still love SJ & RTS, and yes I know there are only a few who admit holding their hands up to this, but fuck it, I think they fit nicely with the rest of the album. Close Range was another that was brilliant for getting murdered at the front to. There are v ery few tracks that everyone agree's are classics, and while I agree that this is not a so called classic, it's still a fuckin good song. I am glad we agree on WFTSC though
Au contraire Shugmeister :D Nah, I just thought 60 MPH was such a bland choice for a single. The lyrics are worse than usual, and the guitar just grinds away. Hooky's bass and the middle eight are not enough to save it (even though those parts are the best) if they had released it as a b-side to Crystal or Here To Stay then perhaps I would've thought it was a great b-side in that context. But as a single? A real low point for the band and I think it was no coincidence there were no more singles directly off the album after that.
My choice for the second single? For overall chart impact it's got to be "Someone Like You". It's obvious it was tabled as a candidate second single but for some reason they went with the guitar trend and we got 60 MPH instead. I really like most of the SLY mixes... Funk D'Void is amazing, my mate plays it when he DJs all the time, the Holden mix is great through headphones, and the Gabriel + Dresden 911 is a mix that the CD single cruelly forgot but a great version! In my world this would have been my ideal second Get Ready single: Note to newbies: these are imaginary and (sadly) don't exist.
CD1:
- Someone Like You (Radio mix) - A heavily reworked album version.
- Sabotage
- Someone Like You (Funk D'Void remix)
CD2:
- Someone Like You (Gabriel + Dresden 911 Radio mix) - An edit of the 10 minute 12" mix.
- 60 MPH (David Khane Mix #2) - I don't mind this 60 MPH mix.
- Someone Like You (James Holden Heavy dub)
I think the above would've made a perfect second release from Get Ready, and made a good dent on the charts too. New Order-related releases have done this before, releasing 12" after 12" of remixes for a great single candidate, then they release a completely unexpected track 
A good example were the 10" Prodigal Son/Make It Happen promos from Twisted Tenderness; quality remixes and mammoth tracks with real chart potential. What did we get instead? Late at Night! 'Nuff said there and it didn't even make a proper release in the UK! Prodigal Son backed by the Make It Happen remixes should have been in it's place and it may have gotten a release.
As for Slow Jam/RTS, personal choice there obviously From the gigs I went to in 2001 (as blinders) I remember the intro Crystal, Ceremony, and Regret mainly, 60 MPH and Close Range just seemed a mess of guitar I didn't recognise until 30 seconds in I'm also glad we agree on WFTSC, the more I listen to it, the more I love it. About the only track I find a bit mundane is Dracula's Castle and even then it's still a decent enough track, but the rest is fookin' ace no question! Working Overtime is like RTS's much cooler and better dressed cousin, I really like it! Looking forward to the gigs.
Cheers, Ally.
