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Waiting For The Sirens Call - God-Like Genius?

Okay, I'm biased perhaps, because I've been a New Order fan since their first gig, but most of us 'old timers' can also be hugely critical - check out some of the messages people have posted on NewOrderOnline.com about 'Republic', 'World In Motion', 'Get Ready' and various other tracks/albums they've had personal gripes about. Believe me, if I don't like something, I'll say so - I'm now resigned to joining the ranks of the 'Grumpy Old Men'.

Some bands release singles where new listeners think, 'Now, THAT was a good song!' Other bands release tracks where the listeners think, 'Oh, that was definitely So and So...'

New Order are a band that consistently make listeners think both.

For me, one of the most interesting things about 'Waiting For The Sirens' Call (is the apostrohe in the right place?) is that most tracks somehow contain hints of previous New Order releases - the whole thing seems like a combination of 'Brotherhood', 'Technique' and 'Get Ready' and that's certainly not a bad thing - this album is like most of its predecessors - a couple of tracks stand out from the start, then, once you hit the 'repeat' button, you start to appreciate the subleties of the rest. I know it's an overdone cliche, but this album really is a 'grower'.

It has all the promising sparks of the side projects, but gels them together as a whole. One of the most pleasing aspects of this album is that Phil Cunningham seems to have slotted in seamlessly - he'll never be Gillian (beacuase she's irreplaceable) but he's certain to be accepted as the fifth member of New Order - and very welcome he is too, judging by the guitar work here! He lends the album a similar feel to the 'Electronic' albums with Johnny Marr of The Smiths. He also adds some surprising guitar parts that lift what may have originally been fairly 'ordinary' ideas - by New Order standards - to a whole new level.

I've already heard people criticising tracks such as 'I Told You So' (a version given away on a free CD by the NME last week) as being 'Not New Order' etc... But stop. Track back to the beginning and listen again. Remember the first John Peel Session? 'Turn The Heater On'? New Order and a different beat? It's been done before...by New Order - and a long time ago too. Anyway, more about that track later!

A history of British music would have a deep, dark, lonely hole in it without New Order. The unintentional 'genius buffoons' of modern music - who else could release the best-selling 12" single of all time and (allegedly) not make a penny from it? And then plough the rest into the best club that the UK has ever seen and, as a result, lose even more money?

Sorry, my pre-amble is pre-ambling a bit too much - let's get to the album itself, track by track:

Who's Joe?

Starts with a synth part that ends along with the end of 'Morning Night And Day. Have a listen to the first six tracks and identify the connection! Any song whose lyrics start with, 'Hey Joe' would make most people think of Hendrix immediately. Fair enough - I fell for that one too. But Bernard Sumner's lyrics turn the whole thing on it's head straight away - 'Hey Joe, what you doin'? Seems like it's all going wrong.' But it's not going wrong, is it? A great opening track - later sublime lyrics such as 'You had your heart broke by a woman, now it doesn't work any more'. The New Order funnies don't stop coming, do they? The opening synth notes hint at 'Sunrise' from 'LowLife'. Hooky's bass takes on its usual tones, but also fills the track out with a more traditional bassline.

Hey Now What You Doing

Starts with a very REM guitar/bass riff, then settles into the familiar New Order vein. Check out Barney's lyrics and the rhythm of the lyrics/rhyme - highly reminiscent of Brotherhood from the start, which is more than aided by the accoustic guitar. Hooky's bass part draws from parts of 'Brotherhood' and the best of Monaco and Revenge, especially the latter, when listening to the low range during the verse. As Hooky once said in an interview during the 'Brotherhood' era - 'You can rip yourself off without realising it'. Lastly (but not a bad thing) a New Order track with a very definite guitar solo!

Waiting For The Sirens' Call

Apostrophe taken from the promotional material. Another Brotherhood track for the synth intro. This will please fans of the 'Electronic' side project. Lovely vocal melody/lilt on chorus - if you can call it that - 'And I don't know where to turn when you're gone' - one of those almost throw-away lines that combined with the vocal melody, equals some of the lines on 'Technique' . Overlapping vocals add to the layers of the song. That simply adds to the vocal interest of the whole track, rather than making it 'messy' as might have happened with other bands. Phil Cunningham has proved that he's a worthy successor to Gillian Gilbert - his guitar work on this track greatly adds to the whole sound - a lovely accoustic backing - accoustic guitar or electric with effects? Accoustic I think, though I may be wrong - either way, the guitar works well in the context of this song, complimenting Hooky's bass at every turn. A repetitive synth line as the backing fills the whole thing o! ut perfectly.

Krafty

Can't imagine there being a more 'positive' single in the charts when this is released on March 7th. . 'Give me one last Chance' - sounds desperate, but isn't. Eternal optimist! we hope so, anyway. Bernard urges the unknown person to accept the opportunity of trying again. Starts with Steve and Hooky - nice bass sound! Rhythm stops and starts and somehow makes the track special - most of the bands in the charts don't currently use such innovative drum/rhythm patterns mixed with the traditional. The twinkling 'bell sound' synths add a certain 'Other Two' feel to the track. The latest New Order single release - 'Krafty' is sure to chart - probably Top Ten, not simply because of the dedicated fan base and the NME awards - renewed interest for old fans and an introduction for the newbies, but because it will easily be the best and most inventive single in the charts. That is until the next New Order single release...

I Told You So

New Order skank! Get dancing...slowly! 1980's synth drums, ewwww! But hang on... it works! I hated it at first - 5 plays later I love it. Tapping my foot without realising - thanks Steve! Phil's right - It's bonkers, innit? I (and most long-standing fans) would never have guessed that New Order would have produced a track like this. It bounces happily along for a whole 5 minutes and 58 seconds! I can imagine Bernard 'whooping' along to this one - something that would be far more acceptable live than 'whooping' to 'Atmosphere' or 'LWTUA'. This track runs along a darker theme than the original bounciness may suggest, but for the casual listener could be the surprise summer hit of 2005... especially for those reurning from Medierranean islands in July/August/September. I may be wrong, but I feel that there's a massive scope for club remixes here!

Morning Night And Day

Sounds like a drink and drugs track about the 'Technique' era. But that's where the similarity to the 'Technique' era ends. This track is a return to the backing synth and drums of 'Low-Life' but heavier. The guitar work lifts the song, but Hooky's bass break around 2:45 through the song lifts it from an introspective thump to something better. Perhaps the most difficult track on the album for established fans to identify with. Hooky returns at the four and a bit minute mark, to be joined by some slick guitar licks, running into a synth part reminiscent of 'Sunrise'... is that the end of an intentional 'section' of the album?

Dracula's Castle

Weird title for a New Order track! But don't let that cloud your vision/listening pleasure. In the press release, Bernard explains that the lyrics were written in a castle (St. Catherine's) built by Henry VIII. This track shows what can come from a jam by Hooky, Steve and Phil - hopefully this will continue, as I'm sure it hasn't yet hit its zenith. Bernard's lyrics fit it perfectly. Again, shades of Brotherhood in the music - especially bass line, old style New Order guitar work and backing synth. One of the best tracks on the album - the kind that you hear a snippet on the radio, then have the track on the brain for the rest of the day. Hooky's bass on top form, again more in the style of 'Brotherhood' carrying the transitions between verse, chorus and instrumental. Barney's lyrics and the voal tune, at certain points, remind the listener of 'Technique' - you remember the lyric? - 'And they gave him away, like in "Whistle Down The Wind" by the look on his face, he nev! er gave in'. At the moment, this is my favourite track on the album, but you never know with New Order - in a couple of days, I might like another one better. Probably the favourite track for anyone who thought 'Technique' was the best New Order album.

Jetstream

Get over the whistling in the 'sample' at the beginning - it's not indicative of the quality of the rest of the track! The vocals start by twisting (the tenderness?) of a departure on a jet plane with the typical Sumner line, 'Can you wait? My pain will be arriving shortly'... Ana Matronic- another female American singer to collaborate with New Order. Works nicely, and becomes catchier with every listen. Certainly the most sing-along track on the album - doesn't necessarily make it the best, but should definitely be the next single from a commercial point of view. It will appeal to both New Order and Scissor Sisters fans around the world. I can imagine fans bouncing around to this track at the festivals - will Dawn be providing the live backing vocals if Ana Matronic can't be there? Although this isn't my favourite track on the album, it's the one that's really stuck in my head - embarrassing myself by humming it in the queue at the bank...!

Guilt Is A Useless Emotion

First thought is - which track am I listening to? 'Cardiac Arrest' by Madness? Then the heartbeat speeds up and the New order drum rhythms kick in. This song is renimiscent of some of the tracks on The Other Two's 'Other Two And You' and 'Super Highways' albums. The danciest track on the album will surely spawn a few DJ remixes -repetitive lyrics of 'I need your love' combined with the rhythm will be a favourite with the remix DJs. New Order and female backing vocals always seem to work! Looking forward to this track hitting the clubs... Hoping this is Dawn again on backing vocals - they show how any track can be lifted that one stage higher by a good backing vocalist.

Turn

From the start, I automatically had the feeling that the first lyrics would be, 'It doesn't take a genius to tell me that I'm wrong...' Of course, I was wrong, so whether you're a geniusor not, take the hint! Another track that pulls back memories of the 'Technique' era. Have a listen to the whole thing and see which New Order track it reminds you of the most. Not wholly unpleasant, is it? You can hear the strains of it in the bass especially, but also in the guitars - to a lesser extent. Another great New Order album track, but it wouldn't hit the mark as a single - either from the point of view of a fan or from the mainstream record-buying public.

Working Overtime

Stephen says, 'It sounds a bit Stoogey' well, try 'Last Train To Clarkesville' by the Monkees clashes head on with 1969 by Iggy & the Stooges and he's quite right! This will definitely appeal to anyone who liked 'Rock The Shack' - and yes, I did, even if most other fans didn't, but I love guitar based music - even when it's New Order. By far the rockiest track on the album - I really do feel that if the guys had written this music when Ian Curtis was still around - he'd be listening to the rehearsal of it and dancing madly in his room. Certainly not traditional New Order, but what is nowadays? This is a track that people will either love or hate, but, I, for one, love it.

The Hidden Track?

Search for it! (I'm evil, aren't I?)

This will be a hugely pleasing album for most fans, as it has elements of the albums that many fans praise the most - 'Brotherhood', 'Technique' and 'Get Ready'. I'm also sure that it will introduce many more people to the band's music - given a careful and musically erudite choice of singles. This release leaves you wanting more - not because there's anything missing, but if the band are to be believed (!) there are still at least another seven tracks from this recording session not included on the album. Let's hope some of those tracks are released as singles (not on albums) or as 'b' sides or extra tracks - back to the old New Order/Factory ethos. After hearing this album, you'll want to hear more of the same. Don't believe me? Well, stick it on 'repeat' and try saying it's not the best release of the year! Then try playing it again in December 2005 and saying it's not the best release of the year... 'God-Like Genius' well, they won't win that one again, but how about 'Album Of The Year'?

After playing this CD, this old man is not as grumpy as he was 56 minutes ago...

Chris Nash 2005

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not an incredibly readible review...hope the album is more listenable.

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After reading that review THIS old man isn't grumpy either:thumb:

REALLY looking forward to my first listen to the CD in full now (still only listining to the legally available tracks):love2:

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So, anyone any ideas about the hidden track?

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Looking at recent Barney pics, it's in the same place as his running shoes! :ignore:

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:abovelol:

DOH!!!!

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new order and female vocals always seem to work

:confused: Barney seems to like taking a chance with female backing vocals... such a contrast in styles... maybe it works sometimes, but why do they have to have so many? the female vocals come across to me as bland, generic, and contrived... and way out of place in New Order's style of production. this record is much less cringeworthy than Get Ready thou IMO in that department.

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Where are the numbers? Who wants a review without a quantified measure? :p

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pumped full of drugs wrote:

new order and female vocals always seem to work

:confused: Barney seems to like taking a chance with female backing vocals... such a contrast in styles... maybe it works sometimes, but why do they have to have so many? the female vocals come across to me as bland, generic, and contrived... and way out of place in New Order's style of production. this record is much less cringeworthy than Get Ready thou IMO in that department.

Well, WFTSC has less than Get Ready and Republic, or I'm lost...

It could have been worst... imagine Krafty with female backing vocals, that would scare me a lot.

Note that no song produced by New Order themselves have backing vocals on them other than Bernard's ones... (I would need to double check that)

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Thanks for treating us all to the full monty.... and an APPALING monty is indeed...

This record is truly ghastly and the final nail in the coffin of this lots' creativity... there isnt one single track here that doesnt make me cringe... and not one single moment of beauty

Its really an Electronic record with a few guest stars... an overworked effort by aging popstars who cant really get it up to do good popsongs and dont have the balls to experiment... the tuneless voice is right out in front where the glare of day shows it for what it is... uninspired and tone deaf...

The slashing conventional rock guitars neuter any potential excitement and the amazingly unimaginitive use of electronics provides no respite whatsoever from the monotony...

For me its not a matter of if this improves on Get Ready... both records are utterly forgettable and of no nutritional value whatsoever... they are the work of a band who no longer has any of the things that made them special or important and now relies on a pathetic pastiche which clueless fans mistake for excitement...

I suppose my only response is to laugh and agree with my friend when he says "hey man, that band has always been Genesis; you just wouldnt admit it"

And then there were three...

Ajw

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AJ Wells, lighten up. It's a pop record, let's have some perspective. With that amount of vitriol you'd think they were trying to promote genocide or something.

Your criticisms aren't even valid. You think his singing was any better then before? He's never been a fantastic singer. You seem pissed off that they don't sound like Yo La Tengo or something. Apples and oranges. Comparing them to Genesis is just stupid.

I don't blindly love everything they've done. In fact, I was devestated the first time I heard the singles Crystal and 60 MPH, I thought they were awful, and I still don't like them that much. But Get Ready as a whole is a brilliant album. Probably my favourite after Power, Corruption & Lies.

And Krafty and Such a Good Thing DO show them going in untested waters, making happy, upbeat pop/rock that is mighty and invigorating and tuneful, not cheesy and corny which must be hard to do because I can't think of any other bands that do it as well as they can. Let's face it, their days as a precious cult band making fringe music are over, like it or not. It's been that way for the last two decades and I think they're better for it.

I for one can't wait for the new album if Krafty is anything to go by.

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Landon Bradley wrote: AJ Wells, lighten up. It's a pop record, let's have some perspective. With that amount of vitriol you'd think they were trying to promote genocide or something.

Hey bad art is WORSE than genocide... ;)

Your criticisms aren't even valid. You think his singing was any better then before? He's never been a fantastic singer. You seem pissed off that they don't sound like Yo La Tengo or something. Apples and oranges. Comparing them to Genesis is just stupid.

I'm just pissed off because they sound pathetic... I dont want them to sound like anyone but themselves, but I would prefer that the music they produce be well written, arranged and produced... and say something about the current period rather than just their britpop adolescence which they seem insistent on returning to...

As far as the Genesis comparison, its been made by a number of noted journalists over the years (along with Pink Floyd) and if you cant see the parallels then I dont know what to say

I don't blindly love everything they've done. In fact, I was devestated the first time I heard the singles Crystal and 60 MPH, I thought they were awful, and I still don't like them that much. But Get Ready as a whole is a brilliant album. Probably my favourite after Power, Corruption & Lies.

Ok let me get this straight... two of the worst songs the band has recorded and yet one of the best records? Where were the good parts?

And for the life of me I just cant understand how the same person can even listen to a groundbreaking record like PCL and a windbreaking record like Get Ready in the same sitting... to me they are such diametrically opposed ways of seeing the world that I just cant even make it add up

And Krafty and Such a Good Thing DO show them going in untested waters, making happy, upbeat pop/rock that is mighty and invigorating and tuneful, not cheesy and corny which must be hard to do because I can't think of any other bands that do it as well as they can. Let's face it, their days as a precious cult band making fringe music are over, like it or not. It's been that way for the last two decades and I think they're better for it.

Untested waters? rehashing themes from their prior records and grafting on afwul conventional choruses? I cant hear what is untested in that approach... every other band is doing is these days

I for one can't wait for the new album if Krafty is anything to go by.

Well I heard the whole record this morning and its simply appalling from start to finish...

And pop music IS as important as life and death... thank god some bands take that responsbility seriously... ;)

Ajw

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AJ Wells wrote:

Landon Bradley wrote: AJ Wells, lighten up. It's a pop record, let's have some perspective. With that amount of vitriol you'd think they were trying to promote genocide or something.

Hey bad art is WORSE than genocide... ;)

Your criticisms aren't even valid. You think his singing was any better then before? He's never been a fantastic singer. You seem pissed off that they don't sound like Yo La Tengo or something. Apples and oranges. Comparing them to Genesis is just stupid.

I'm just pissed off because they sound pathetic... I dont want them to sound like anyone but themselves, but I would prefer that the music they produce be well written, arranged and produced... and say something about the current period rather than just their britpop adolescence which they seem insistent on returning to...

As far as the Genesis comparison, its been made by a number of noted journalists over the years (along with Pink Floyd) and if you cant see the parallels then I dont know what to say

I don't blindly love everything they've done. In fact, I was devestated the first time I heard the singles Crystal and 60 MPH, I thought they were awful, and I still don't like them that much. But Get Ready as a whole is a brilliant album. Probably my favourite after Power, Corruption & Lies.

Ok let me get this straight... two of the worst songs the band has recorded and yet one of the best records? Where were the good parts?

And for the life of me I just cant understand how the same person can even listen to a groundbreaking record like PCL and a windbreaking record like Get Ready in the same sitting... to me they are such diametrically opposed ways of seeing the world that I just cant even make it add up

And Krafty and Such a Good Thing DO show them going in untested waters, making happy, upbeat pop/rock that is mighty and invigorating and tuneful, not cheesy and corny which must be hard to do because I can't think of any other bands that do it as well as they can. Let's face it, their days as a precious cult band making fringe music are over, like it or not. It's been that way for the last two decades and I think they're better for it.

Untested waters? rehashing themes from their prior records and grafting on afwul conventional choruses? I cant hear what is untested in that approach... every other band is doing is these days

I for one can't wait for the new album if Krafty is anything to go by.

Well I heard the whole record this morning and its simply appalling from start to finish...

And pop music IS as important as life and death... thank god some bands take that responsbility seriously... ;)

Ajw

Name names, AJ!

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Al Jarvis wrote:

AJ Wells wrote:

Landon Bradley wrote: AJ Wells, lighten up. It's a pop record, let's have some perspective. With that amount of vitriol you'd think they were trying to promote genocide or something.

Hey bad art is WORSE than genocide... ;)

Your criticisms aren't even valid. You think his singing was any better then before? He's never been a fantastic singer. You seem pissed off that they don't sound like Yo La Tengo or something. Apples and oranges. Comparing them to Genesis is just stupid.

I'm just pissed off because they sound pathetic... I dont want them to sound like anyone but themselves, but I would prefer that the music they produce be well written, arranged and produced... and say something about the current period rather than just their britpop adolescence which they seem insistent on returning to...

As far as the Genesis comparison, its been made by a number of noted journalists over the years (along with Pink Floyd) and if you cant see the parallels then I dont know what to say

I don't blindly love everything they've done. In fact, I was devestated the first time I heard the singles Crystal and 60 MPH, I thought they were awful, and I still don't like them that much. But Get Ready as a whole is a brilliant album. Probably my favourite after Power, Corruption & Lies.

Ok let me get this straight... two of the worst songs the band has recorded and yet one of the best records? Where were the good parts?

And for the life of me I just cant understand how the same person can even listen to a groundbreaking record like PCL and a windbreaking record like Get Ready in the same sitting... to me they are such diametrically opposed ways of seeing the world that I just cant even make it add up

And Krafty and Such a Good Thing DO show them going in untested waters, making happy, upbeat pop/rock that is mighty and invigorating and tuneful, not cheesy and corny which must be hard to do because I can't think of any other bands that do it as well as they can. Let's face it, their days as a precious cult band making fringe music are over, like it or not. It's been that way for the last two decades and I think they're better for it.

Untested waters? rehashing themes from their prior records and grafting on afwul conventional choruses? I cant hear what is untested in that approach... every other band is doing is these days

I for one can't wait for the new album if Krafty is anything to go by.

Well I heard the whole record this morning and its simply appalling from start to finish...

And pop music IS as important as life and death... thank god some bands take that responsbility seriously... ;)

Ajw

Name names, AJ!

Well as far as aging contemporaries, Flaming Lips have managed to get gray while remaining innovative and relevant... as has Mercury Rev... for my ears the bands that are making the music that NO should be making today are The Notwist and Sneaker Pimps... the Notwist being more experimental but retaining pop structures and the Sneaky Pimps being more poppish but still aware of Scott Walker and the esoteric side of retropop... when I listened to the Sneaks Bloodsport after Siren yesterday I thought it was absolutely what NO should sound like at this point in their career... well made, traditional popsongs with some aural experimentation, genuine funkiness, a nice tongue in its cheek and wonderful pop lyrics (penned by someone outside of the band; NO could well take a lesson from that approach)

Ajw

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AJ Wells wrote: Well as far as aging contemporaries, Flaming Lips have managed to get gray while remaining innovative and relevant... as has Mercury Rev... for my ears the bands that are making the music that NO should be making today are The Notwist and Sneaker Pimps... the Notwist being more experimental but retaining pop structures and the Sneaky Pimps being more poppish but still aware of Scott Walker and the esoteric side of retropop... when I listened to the Sneaks Bloodsport after Siren yesterday I thought it was absolutely what NO should sound like at this point in their career... well made, traditional popsongs with some aural experimentation, genuine funkiness, a nice tongue in its cheek and wonderful pop lyrics (penned by someone outside of the band; NO could well take a lesson from that approach)

Ajw

Not entirely sure how you can compare any of those artistes to New Order, AJ? I just don't see where the comparison can possibly start, or end. You're effectively talking about real 'minority' bands in this country. Mercury Rev have always been bubbling under over here, whilst the Flaming Lips took nigh on 20 years to gain any recognition on these shores, and the Golden Path probably raised their profile more than any of their own work ever could. Sneaker Pimps were one-hit wonders and I had to go and look the Notwist up as I'd never personally heard of them. If saying New order would be relevant artists today 'if' they sounded like any of the above is like saying U2 would similarly be relevant if they also changed style.

I still fail to understand why some people bang on about New Order being experimental and pushing back boundaries? Ceremony went top 40 over here 24 years ago, when the top 40 actually 'meant' something, Temptation broke the top 30, both Blue Monday (twice) and Confusion went top 10 in 1983 and they even had a no.1 single nearly FIFTEEN years ago. They're rather big news over here. So, to start mentioning them in the same breath as [ahem] the Sneaker Pimps just doesn't strike a chord with me. As much as I hate the parallels I can see why a lot of our American brotherhood bang on about Depeche Mode and the Cure and the Pet Shop Boys, but really that list you've given is fairly esoteric from the viewpoint from which I am overlooking New Order's career.

This is also a business after all: Krafty will make the top 10, WFTSC (album) will go in at no.1 and New Order will headline huge festivals across Europe all this summer. None of the other bands you've mentioned will come close. They're all very different animals in musical / historical terms.

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AJ Wells wrote:

Well as far as aging contemporaries, Flaming Lips have managed to get gray while remaining innovative and relevant... as has Mercury Rev... for my ears the bands that are making the music that NO should be making today are The Notwist and Sneaker Pimps... the Notwist being more experimental but retaining pop structures and the Sneaky Pimps being more poppish but still aware of Scott Walker and the esoteric side of retropop... when I listened to the Sneaks Bloodsport after Siren yesterday I thought it was absolutely what NO should sound like at this point in their career... well made, traditional popsongs with some aural experimentation, genuine funkiness, a nice tongue in its cheek and wonderful pop lyrics (penned by someone outside of the band; NO could well take a lesson from that approach)

Ajw

First point I'd make is: how can you actually provide a legitimate review of an album after hearing it once? The most common feedback from listeners here has been that it's a real slow burner. Many of the layers and melodies won't reveal themselves first up. You can offer a first impression after one listen but to slate the whole opus is a little lazy.

Moving onto the Sneaker Pimps, you suggest that Bloodsport is something that NO should aspire to. If you check out the compiled reviews of the album at metacritic.com, it was hardly well-received by critics at a 47% aggregate score.

Less experimental, less distinctive, and definitely missing the production finesse of Nellee Hooper, Bloodsport suffers musically from a lack of imagination and vocally from Chris Corner's surprisingly post-grunge style of delivery. From the sub-Depeche Mode industrial pop of the opener "Kiro TV" to the bland "Nightclubbing" sound-alike "Small Town Witch," Sneaker Pimps hardly sound like the same band that made indie pop sound hip again back in 1996.

The day NO aspire to sub-Depeche industrial pop is a very dark day. I was a Pimps' fan and gave Bloodsport a fair go but found it to be eminently forgettable.

Mercury Rev and Flaming Lips are inspiring, innovative bands at advanced stages of their careers but in my mind, incomparable to NO. Sonically they're leagues apart and the key asset of FL is Coyne's strength of lyric. They're quite the cerebral listen. NO are not this band and never will be. NO trade on throwaway lyrics, driving bass and sublime layers of synth/guitar. A visceral listen. I enjoy both for different reasons.

I just want to illustrate where AJ seems to be coming from before anyone is turned off WFTSC by his review.

:\pimp3:

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Depthy. Apparently Behind Closed Doors is the epitome of how stage 3 (or is it stage 4?) New Order, should sound. Undestand that and you'll be closer to getting it. Perhaps if you get there, you could explain it to me.

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