Official Krafty Release Day Thread

The question still remains: What will be on the U.S. versions of the Krafty single...I'm guessing and hoping some new as-yet-unseen versions....maybe something that will really be used for the dancefloor? I love the versions on the UK releases, but a vocal version with an anthemic club treatement is sorely missing....

john dougherty wrote: The question still remains: What will be on the U.S. versions of the Krafty single...I'm guessing and hoping some new as-yet-unseen versions....maybe something that will really be used for the dancefloor? I love the versions on the UK releases, but a vocal version with an anthemic club treatement is sorely missing....

That's exactly what I was thinking. Shouldn't Reprise have the information on a US release out by now? Or do they want us (US fans) to purchase the UK release now and not the US release (which will hurt the US chart).

john dougherty wrote: The question still remains: What will be on the U.S. versions of the Krafty single

There is no US CD single. It's digital download only, from multiple sources.

See here for further details

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The Re-edit of album version is quite nice, done by Rich Costey (whoever he is?)

Still like the raw Andy Green mix best though.

about Rich Costey

Well at least that solves one anorak issue.

There are now officially ten known mixes/versions of Krafty.

Bernard's Re-edit (exclusive to Napster) end of March, is different to the Album Re-edit.

We'll all be able to sleep better at night knowing that.

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The Glimmers 12" extended Mix is good as is the artwork but overall it still is not a winner IMO, hopefully it will grow.

so what, no DVD single ?

I will have to start my PC to see the video.

MOV, AVI, MPG ?

I hope it's not as crap as "Ive got a feeling" was on full screen mode!

mpg, and prepare to be disappointed...

I'm just back form buying both cds and the 12". I was a bit dissapointed to see that despite the new uk chart allowances for 40 minutes of mixes on cd singles that the second cd is only 23 mins long. It could easily have included some of the dubs which now seem to be promo only.

The Riton mix has not been included on any of the formats, does anyone know where I can get it?

Phones mix sounds brilliant, and the re-edit was a plesant surprise.

It might be my ears,but i skipped to track 3 on the mixes CD expecting a remix-it just sounds like the radio edit to me?

hi all,

it's the first time i can get their single on the first day they release it so i am so excited! :D i will go to the city centre and get my copies of three formats right after i finish my lecture later! yes!! ( sorry for being out of control ;))

one thing i don't understand is what spotnick said on the front page: "If you want to help New Order to achieve the best place in the UK singles chart, you should buy both singles one at the time so it counts for 2 sales." does that mean i have to buy my copies separately? i mean i will have to get three copies for myself and two for my friends! well, i never care about the chart thing so maybe i should just forget about it, but snice it's the first time i can contribute something in the first week so now i'm staggering...

mm.. got one more hour to consider. anyways i'm going to get the singles on the first day, yeah!!!

p.s. been quite busy these days so i haven't check the posts here regularly... will try my best to catch up during easter. :p

chant from taiwan

Tyrone Slothrop wrote:

The Riton mix has not been included on any of the formats, does anyone know where I can get it?

Riton Tyrone, Riton.

You'll only find it on the 5-track UK promo CD (the black version) or the 7-track AU promo CD. You'll also need Barney's Re-edit to complete the collection, but at this stage the only format you'll find it is a digital download from Napster later this month.

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Call me a fool if you will but I think that the UK CD2 has the running order wrong.

The track labelled as "Re-edit of album version" IS NOT a re-edit! Track 3, (labelled as the "Andy Green remix",) sounds like a re-edit to me but track 4 is at least a remix. I would suggest that tracks 3 & 4 are the wrong way around! But, what do I know?

depthcharge wrote:

Tyrone Slothrop wrote:

The Riton mix has not been included on any of the formats, does anyone know where I can get it?

Riton Tyrone, Riton.

You'll only find it on the 5-track UK promo CD (the black version) or the 7-track AU promo CD. You'll also need Barney's Re-edit to complete the collection, but at this stage the only format you'll find it is a digital download from Napster later this month.

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I've already bought 3 formats, they're not going to get me to fork out for a promo aswell! I don't use Napster, and don't really like the idea of setting up an account with them for the one track but it's probably going to happen.

Their was an advert for Krafty on Virgin Radio this morning.

Keep it locked for more groundbreaking journalism from Don.

Haha, I like it DoN

Got all 3 versions. Vinyl's good for the collection.. hmm, phones reality mix is better than I remember on Radio 1. Anyway, class stuff, about 8 quid here too.

Sad to hear the track didn't get spectacular reviews, but I don't rate Krafty particularly compared to the rest of the album anyway. Roll on the title track, I hope it gains some serious momentum and gets number one or something - it deserves it. It not that we have to rely on J-E-T..

Bought all 3 formats.Cant be arsed hunting for promos with other mixes.Like the Glimmers mix out of all the remixes.And also am now actually liking the standard radio edit.Like the bit where Hooky accompanies the chimy bit.Did think the vid was very boring on first view weeks ago but i since gained a different perspective of it.It`s all about the jumping up and down on the roof after the love making.A joyous celebration of love and living.

Don`t like the font.I know it now ties in with the album lettering but i much prefered the original font.

Am i the only one who has noticed the artwork is actually in colour,not black & white!

My copy has been just delivered. Listening.

Well I bought only CD2, since I found buying CD1 useless: almost the same version will be on the album; I don't need radio edits. My copy came to my mailbox just an hour ago.

[orange]1 : ARTWORK[/orange]

Well I was displeased a bit when I found out that 1) It's in color, but that would be OK if the design itself were not a little different; 2) The font and disposition of the titles is different. For a moment I thought it was a counterfeit copy.

2 : MIXES

EdSpess is correct. Track 3 is actually the re-edit, while track 4 is a remix. The Glimmers 12" extended mix could have been more inventive, but it's ok. Phones Reality remix is as crap as that of the 60 Miles An Hour remix.

3 : VIDEO

I'm surprised at myself - I found myself amused by the video. It's not that as bad as I used to think.

So far it's an ok single. But the song itself is great!

I have one question.

Is there a difference between the Single mix and the album re edit?

Great news, Nicholas. Gonna wait for the US release of Krafty... after I've already spent some $$$ on the English one :)

Oh well, if only I read this thread earlier... I ordered this 2CD singles set because it wasn't listed anywhere else (does it actually exist?). Thought the video was exclusive to this set but apparently it's included on every CD2 though it's not listed! Didn't think about the charts, but of course I'd have ordered the two copies together anyway since making two separate orders would have been stupid because of shipping costs... Can't wait to receive it though, hoping that EIL is as quick and reliable as Sister Ray... bought something from them in the past and had no problem, but it was a couple of years ago in the old days of the International Money Order... Hey apparently the 2CD set is more expensive than the same two CDs making it!!!

JUNO REC

TOKOLOSHE MAN wrote: JUNO REC

* Aaaaargh! What happened to the fookin sleeve?! Not as good as the one we previewed, is it??! What a disappointment... where have all those pretty rephlexes gone? And the font, the same obvious font of that stupid album sleeve... Why are they trying so hard to make ugly sleeves? At least the single's was beautiful, but now this is almost as ugly as the album's... A shame since the music contained is so good...

I think the new single sleeve is a little better than the one that was previewed. It's still kinda blah, though.

But if the ad for the LP in Mojo is the real cover (golden brown instead of orange, no band name or title on it), then it's roughly seven-hundred times better and has gone from being one of their worst sleeve to being one of their best.

As for the remixes, the Glimmers 12" extended mix is so dull it's wonderful, the Phones Reality mix is absolutely fantastic (smells like sex), and the other two are just beyond pointless (although the pasting in of the glorious synth ascent from "All day long" in the Andy Green remix is kinda funny).

Worth eight bucks? No way. But I won't resell it.

well... I liked the preview artwork much more than this one...

Spotnick wrote: Krafty (Re-edit of album version) Here you go...! Difficult to pick a part to show the difference, 30 secs is too short.

doesn't work!

Marco, not sure if it's been mentioned, but the two CD singles have slightly different sleeves. The 2-track one has the image zoomed out and the lens flare is still on the car.

Old Blue wrote: Marco, not sure if it's been mentioned, but the two CD singles have slightly different sleeves. The 2-track one has the image zoomed out and the lens flare is still on the car.

i see! ... but that doesn't make the audio-file work!

Jim Ferguson wrote: I think the new single sleeve is a little better than the one that was previewed. It's still kinda blah, though.

But if the ad for the LP in Mojo is the real cover (golden brown instead of orange, no band name or title on it), then it's roughly seven-hundred times better and has gone from being one of their worst sleeve to being one of their best.

As for the remixes, the Glimmers 12" extended mix is so dull it's wonderful, the Phones Reality mix is absolutely fantastic (smells like sex), and the other two are just beyond pointless (although the pasting in of the glorious synth ascent from "All day long" in the Andy Green remix is kinda funny).

Worth eight bucks? No way. But I won't resell it.

Nice to see I'm not the only one who likes the Glimmers mix.

The confusion with the 'album edit', 'Andy Green remix' as pointed out above, IS that they are wrongly labelled. Track 3 is an edit from the album (it's pretty much identical, just stops suddenly), Track 4 is a completely different mix from the album, or single, and is in my opinion the best of the mixes (although I haven't heard the Riton one, or Glimmers dub - somebody give us a break :)). BTW it's mad that you can buy the remix CD for £2.99, but can't get them online unless you pay more. Bonkers. Innit?

Old Blue wrote: ...the two CD singles have slightly different sleeves. The 2-track one has the image zoomed out and the lens flare is still on the car.

I see. But still, the black-and-white was way better IMHO.

Martin Fenner wrote: The confusion with the 'album edit', 'Andy Green remix' as pointed out above, IS that they are wrongly labelled. Track 3 is an edit from the album (it's pretty much identical, just stops suddenly), Track 4 is a completely different mix from the album.

Not sure I agree. I can understand the rationale behind the argument, but the Andy Green remix was on the mixes promo and is indeed track 3 of the bona-fide release.

Still waiting for my copies to be sent from Amazon.

"Amazon, and you're done"

Been done, more like...

Old Blue wrote:

Martin Fenner wrote: The confusion with the 'album edit', 'Andy Green remix' as pointed out above, IS that they are wrongly labelled. Track 3 is an edit from the album (it's pretty much identical, just stops suddenly), Track 4 is a completely different mix from the album.

Not sure I agree. I can understand the rationale behind the argument, but the Andy Green remix was on the mixes promo and is indeed track 3 of the bona-fide release.

Nah, use your ears not your eyes! Just because it says "Andy Green remix" doesn't mean it is. Is it not conceivable that the incorrect association was made BEFORE the CDs were mastered. Remember, we're talking about the band responsible for the biggest selling 12" single of all time, several thousand copies of which shipped with the labels on the wrong way round;)

And just to hammer home the impression that I'm as anally retentive as the next man, when were the missing two beats from the beginning of Blue Monday restored? Was it on later pressings of the 12" or only when they released Substance? Or did I just imagine that they were missing in the first place? And while I'm on the subject, how many other people erroneously believe that FIRST PRESSINGs of BM have a BLACK inner sleeve?

EdSpess wrote:

Old Blue wrote:

Martin Fenner wrote: The confusion with the 'album edit', 'Andy Green remix' as pointed out above, IS that they are wrongly labelled. Track 3 is an edit from the album (it's pretty much identical, just stops suddenly), Track 4 is a completely different mix from the album.

Not sure I agree. I can understand the rationale behind the argument, but the Andy Green remix was on the mixes promo and is indeed track 3 of the bona-fide release.

Nah, use your ears not your eyes! Just because it says "Andy Green remix" doesn't mean it is. Is it not conceivable that the incorrect association was made BEFORE the CDs were mastered. Remember, we're talking about the band responsible for the biggest selling 12" single of all time, several thousand copies of which shipped with the labels on the wrong way round;)

I have to agree that the tracks must be mis-labeled. The track that is labeled a re-edit is obviously a remix.

... could anyone offer any more evidence to devalue the necessity of ... 'The Re-Mix'?

Why don't they just classify them as Untitled 1, 2, 3 etc.

Didn't you like the Housecat remix of HTS, H?

No. It was spoilt by applying a canyon reverb on Barney's vocals.

Apply your 'film theory'.

Film theory, H? I'm afraid I'm drawing a blank. Have you listened to Mango Mama any more?

Yes, two or three times.

I can sumarise my feelings:

'Balmy evening in summer', 'fine wine', 'crashing for the night'. I Told Your Soap on low.

Again, it's not the best, but it is far better than the two not so good songs from GR, which itself was a fine album.

Your 'film theory' is thus; 'All films are fundamentaly flawed' (probably a paraphrase but you get your own meaning).

Huntsman wrote:

Apply your 'film theory'.

What's it got to do with the back of Pastie's teeth?

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I am trying to make a point that all re-mixes are fundamentaly flawed. Accordingly, Pastie's 'film theory' applies. Its application is perfect as it will again polarise opinions:

'Don't be daft, some films are pure genius'

'I agree - most films have a dirty section in the middle'

etc.

Why limit it to the silver screen and remixes. Surely everything in life is fundamentally flawed.

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PS Except Pringles.

Well I'd have to personally disagree. Within the constrains of expectation, some things can be truly and genuinely pure i.e. not flawed.

So only films and re-mixes count.

Actually, so do crisps as crisp manufacturers constantly produce 'ready salted' a perpetual waste of fried potatoes. A fundamental flaw.

Name one thing in the universe that's not flawed.

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depthcharge wrote: Name one thing in the universe that's not flawed.

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Can I think about it?

OK I've thought about it.

...

'God'

Take your time, I'll be trolling here for a while.

No rush.

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Which one?

Zeus? Buddha? Maradona?

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It looks like I've missed a lot while I was drinking my coffee.

I'm disappointed that the best you can say about Towed Your Soap, H, is that it's better than the two worst tracks on GR, considering that one of those is one of the absolute worst things NO have ever perpetrated.

Thanks for reminding me of my film theory, which, as DC suggests, is probably more broadly applicable.

I infer then, H, that you have firmly decided against investigating Krispy Kremes with jelly fillings or chocolate frosting or powdered sugar coatings or anything like that?

I believe Adrian Lima to be flawless. In fact The Ones' - Absolutely Flawless could easily have been penned in her honour. oh and The Sabres mixes of Regret, as well.

Its a hugely debatable subject (one which could provoke at least 3 more posts before being dropped in preference for 'New Order in Dukes of Hazard Movie Special'). But to answer the eternal question; is there not only one proper God?

I'll be sniffing out the entire selection of Krafty cakes this weekend, but I cannot guarantee I will consume all of them, that may be too greedy.

The Sabres version of Regression? - is that the version with the mock-cowboy ruler-type spring bounces?

For what it's worth, (nowt), I think the Glimmer 12" is rather good. Also, tracks 3 and 4 of cd 2, whatever they're called, are a bit tasty too. Phones Reality mix is genuinely mince!

Huntsman wrote: Its a hugely debatable subject (one which could provoke at least 3 more posts before being dropped in preference for 'New Order in Dukes of Hazard Movie Special').

FCUK, now i have this sic image of Barney as Daisy Duke - the flab & the hot pants:dead: :dead: :dead:

Any good for you Maya?

Huntsman wrote: But to answer the eternal question; is there not only one proper God?

Surely any God thought to exist without any evidence at all, only through the belief system of mortal beings, well that's kind of a massive flaw isn't it Hucklebuck?

I don't want to offend you here, I heard rumours you were of the Zoastrian faith.

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Huntsman wrote: Its a hugely debatable subject (one which could provoke at least 3 more posts before being dropped in preference for 'New Order in Dukes of Hazard Movie Special'). But to answer the eternal question; is there not only one proper God?

I'll be sniffing out the entire selection of Krafty cakes this weekend, but I cannot guarantee I will consume all of them, that may be too greedy.

The Sabres version of Regression? - is that the version with the mock-cowboy ruler-type spring bounces?

Yes.

Kunt - could you expand on your references?

Are you saying that there are version of Krispy that are actually worth listening to and that don't just repeat a couple of daft synth sounds someone's knocked up in half an hour?

That's flawed Hanky - The Sabres 'Slow n Low' ... it's flawed because the Fire Island Mix is better!

Almost to the quality of Adrian's Lima.

I would agree with K**T that Glimmers is worth a listen, and I like the Phones version but I'm fairly sure you won't, H. Track 3, labeled Andy Green but probably Rich Costey re-edit, does nothing for me.

The Glimmer mix is quite stripped down H, definitely worth wrapping your ears around.

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Huntsman wrote: Kunt - could you expand on your references?

Are you saying that there are version of Krispy that are actually worth listening to and that don't just repeat a couple of daft synth sounds someone's knocked up in half an hour?

I'm rather simple, and so, vastly underqualified to comment on the complexities, or not, of remixes. But i'll try. It's the simplicity of the Glimmer Mix I like in particular, and the deep bass. The other two are just good because I like them for some reason. Like I said, I know nothing!

By the way, is this the first time on an NO album or single version that there has been a "mixed by" credit?

Just did a bit of intense research on Lima and she looks flawed in two significent departments. First, I can't find any evidence that she's a New Order fan. Second, I'd posit that she's a little el stupido.

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Mmmmmm ... a glimmer of hope.

With a hearty comment from Kunt that would be '3' hearty recommendations.

When you haven't access to the discs, its quite confusing trying to come to terms with the phraseology:

The Telephone's Over-dub 96 is really Jack Smackbox Dirty Dishes Hyperbole 9 version 2. A mis-print near the final songs, one of which, the Glitter Tube Re-mix being the larger of the amphibious mammals.

It was easier in the 80's ... one 12" and an alternative 12".

Has anyone witnessed the Billy Jean himself turning up to his gig wearing a pair of pyjamas?

By my count it's Glimmers in a landslide. Or do I mean by a nose?

Not sure you'll like the glimmers that much either huntsman as you are so anti-remix. I even think you didn't like Lee COombes crystal, which was quite frankly, brilliant. And still is.

The Phones mix is the best of the lot as it does add some new sounds and direction. Personally I like it. Tracks 3 and 4 are basically slightly different arrangements of the single - good if you like the original, but not especailly necessary to be honest. The Glimmers is a pleasant enough mix, though I find it a tad bland.

Drinking a cup of Yorkshire tea at 8am, saturday morning is pretty much flawless, both in concept and execution. As long as it's made right of course. Or likewise, your first pint on friday night after work.

Huntsman wrote: Has anyone witnessed the Billy Jean himself turning up to his gig wearing a pair of pyjamas?

Not out of place in Aladdin either way.

Seb Briggs wrote: Drinking a cup of Yorkshire tea at 8am, saturday morning is pretty much flawless, both in concept and execution. As long as it's made right of course. Or likewise, your first pint on friday night after work.

But Briggsy, wouldn't that tea supping be superior if you were sharing a mug with a nude Adrian Lima?

Ergo, your experience is slightly flawed.

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Who is Adrian Lima?

Mr. B - you've cast doubt on the Glimmer mix ... maybe they're all a bit flawed. I would have thought that the song Krispy Aromatic Duck had quite a good array of elements with which to re-mix. A bit like BLT (but not obviously in that special arean where BLT resides).

A cup of Yorkshire tea surely deserves a cake accompaniment, or perhaps a buttered scone? I have to say that a cup of tea is far far more flawless than having a pint. But then again I don't drink pints (unless its freshly skimmed milk gently floated onto my bowlette of Specialist K).

Patrick wrote: Who is Adrian Lima?

I haven't seen that film P - is it also flawed?

Can I just say that I don't consider 'all' re-mixes to be flawed. In simple terms, all alternative mixes since Republic have been goose scraps.

Surely it's no accident that Glimmers is track #1. In some ways I prefer it to the NO version.

Patrick wrote: Who is Adrian Lima?

Hanky's imaginary girlfriend.

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Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: Who is Adrian Lima?

I haven't seen that film P - is it also flawed?

If it's a film it must be flawed, H.

depthcharge wrote: Just did a bit of intense research on Lima and she looks flawed in two significent departments. First, I can't find any evidence that she's a New Order fan. Second, I'd posit that she's a little el stupido.

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Objection! Speculative?

You should write a theory about that P.

Nobody has answered my "mixed by" credit question.

This thread has gone to the dogs. No one countered my God Almighty theory either.

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Huntsman wrote: You should write a theory about that P.

I don't go in for theories, H.

depthcharge wrote: This thread has gone to the dogs. No one countered my God Almighty theory either.

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Are tracks 3 and 4 mislabeled?

Patrick wrote: Who is Adrian Lima?

Hank Wiseass© wrote:

Patrick wrote: Who is Adrian Lima?

?????

Charger. I can't read your reply to my objection. There seems to be a flaw in the mechanism.

depthcharge wrote: This thread has gone to the dogs. No one countered my God Almighty theory either.

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Truth denied; I answered. Your response is imminent:

'Surely there is only one true God'? and he (who lives on a decent sized cloud wearing a beard) by default is totally flawless (totally is required).

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Charger. I can't read your reply to my objection. There seems to be a flaw in the mechanism.

I have a theory that mechanisms are like films.

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Objection! Speculative?

Speculative for sure but unless you can prove otherwise - flawed!

The other obvious flaw is how are you going to tell your mates you just, excuse me Huntsy, whacked off to someone called Adrian?

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When DC poised 'this thread has gone towards the dog track' I must say, what a dog track!

So it's a lima bean then?

Patrick wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Charger. I can't read your reply to my objection. There seems to be a flaw in the mechanism.

I have a theory that mechanisms are like films.

That was a film about a flawed mechanism.

But ... the film was flawless (surely).

depthcharge wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Objection! Speculative?

Speculative for sure but unless you can prove otherwise - flawed!

The other obvious flaw is how are you going to tell your mates you just, excuse me Huntsy, whacked off to someone called Adrian?

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Eh? You're missing an 'a'. Defence rests.

Hank Wiseass© wrote: I believe Adrian Lima to be flawless.

Case closed your honour.

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It's not the job and it's not the place. . .

Patrick wrote: It's not the job and it's not the place. . .

Good lord that's a bit cryptic.

Is that another of your flawed theories?

depthcharge wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: I believe Adrian Lima to be flawless.

Case closed your honour.

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I never said I was flawless.

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: It's not the job and it's not the place. . .

Good lord that's a bit cryptic.

Is that another of your flawed theories?

Additional flawless lyrics about mango mama.

Yeah but "What does this ship mean to me"?

And is it the same one he saw in the harbour a few years back?

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You'd have to surmise that he is infering a galmorous sailing boat, as opposed to a gunship grey vessel of the seven seas.

I do love them Sirens when they call.

Adrian Lima looks a bit weird to me. definitely not flawless.

Surely if a bird was flawless she wouldn't necessarily be that attractive - and quite possibly boring. Isn't the flaws in women that make them attractive to us? I may of course be speaking out of my arse mind you.

how about those Mars delight things. Without wanting to sound like a woman, they're pretty much perfect

Huntsman wrote: You'd have to surmise that he is infering a galmorous sailing boat, as opposed to a gunship grey vessel of the seven seas.

Perhaps then it's the same one he took on a summer cruise, on an ocean born to lose?

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Seb Briggs wrote:

how about those Mars delight things. Without wanting to sound like a woman, they're pretty much perfect

They rot your teeth.

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depthcharge wrote:

Huntsman wrote: You'd have to surmise that he is infering a galmorous sailing boat, as opposed to a gunship grey vessel of the seven seas.

Perhaps then it's the same one he took on a summer cruise, on an ocean born to lose?

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The sea was very rough, it made him feel sick.

Huntsman wrote: Yeah but "What does this ship mean to me"?

Sorry, H, I haven't quite got them all down yet. Just random bits here and there.

"Cut loose with me," "we'll go out every night," and so on.

Lest there be any misunderstanding, those are lyrics, H.

Hank Wiseass© wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Huntsman wrote: You'd have to surmise that he is infering a galmorous sailing boat, as opposed to a gunship grey vessel of the seven seas.

Perhaps then it's the same one he took on a summer cruise, on an ocean born to lose?

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The sea was very rough, it made him feel sick.

Ah well it all makes sense now. He was forced ashore and that's when was standing by the ocean when he saw Huntsy's face.

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When people see my face they usually pursue me up the street throwing vegetables and wielding menacing field utencils.

They shout "chase him, chase him away".

Is there a specific deformity Hunter, or just a general level of ghoulishness?

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I put it down to ill fitting shoes.

Interesting, H.

Unlike many NOOLers, I don't believe I've ever come across an image of you on here. Nor Pastie for that matter.

But that would just be dropping kerosene into a particular conspiracy fire.

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Huntsman wrote: I put it down to ill fitting shoes.

Perhaps a general prejudice against people who don't smoke, drink, or eat meat?

depthcharge wrote: Interesting, H.

Unlike many NOOLers, I don't believe I've ever come across an image of you on here. Nor Pastie for that matter.

But that would just be dropping kerosene into a particular conspiracy fire.

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If you had, DC, you would realize that we don't look a bit alike.

NOOL Member Files

Patrick / Huntsman

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Thanks Nic.

depthcharge wrote: NOOL Member Files

Patrick / Huntsman

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Thanks Nic.

Patrick, did you model your hair on the spaceship from Battlestar Gallactica? Nice touch.

I don't think it was fair showing Patrick's wedding photographs.

He looks nervous early but really lets his hair down at the reception.

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I heard that he set his hair free in the lobby.

(it was finally caught and put down at 18:24)

That's not me. My hair is dark (with a bit of gray).

Like Thomas Cruise from the film in which he travels around Mexico in a taxi shooting people for a modest fee?

Burrito Banditos 2?

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Huntsman wrote: Like Thomas Cruise from the film in which he travels around Mexico in a taxi shooting people for a modest fee?

I haven't seen that film, H, but it's probably flawed. I hear it was a wig, in any event.

DC - have you got any alternative mixes of Leave Me Afloat?

They don't exist, surely.

I'm quite relieved to see someone tow this rickety boat back to New Order island. Who's paying the moderators around here? Pastie keeps veering us off on tangents.

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depthcharge wrote: They don't exist, surely.

I'm quite relieved to see someone tow this rickety boat back to New Order island. Who's paying the moderators around here? Pastie keeps veering us off on tangents.

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Wasn't it me that asked the question about "mixed by" credits that nobody has answered yet?

And yes, wasn't it me that poised the New Order related question:

'Isn't there only one God'?

Sometimes Pastie, its just funny to see your mild panic.

Huntsman wrote: Sometimes Pastie, its just funny to see your mild panic.

I assure you, H, you do not want to see me when the panic is serious.

Do you develop into the Hunk resplendant with ripped jeans and khaki brown shirt?

Or do you run for cover in the nearest broom cupboard?

What do you think, H?

I'll take the pantry.

Pastie doesn't seem to portray a typical American disposition in his postings. He never brags about AK's or bitches or Big Gulps or anything. Is he from Cleveland?

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Ohio or Cleveland in the North East of Eggland?

Never a more amiable poster is the P ... stunning repertoiré umblemished by anything negative about anything or anyone.

If he had a dark side you'd have to assume he was Vader from the new film.

Huntsman wrote: Ohio or Cleveland in the North East of Eggland?

Never a more amiable poster is the P ... stunning repertoiré umblemished by anything negative about anything or anyone.

If he had a dark side you'd have to assume he was Vader from the new film.

Perhaps you're forgetting my occasional comments about Regret, H.

Again, that would be a mild ale.

But P, broom cupboard or table top dancer?

Have you any notion what Pastie does for a crust, so to speak, Huckster?

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To swing it all back on topic for a moment, Patrick there have been album mixes before, but not so overtly credited, I feel.

The David Kahne mix of 60 Miles an Hour and the Chris Lord Alge mix of Round and Round are two examples, but neither made the final album cut. They ended up on promos.

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There are some superb Round & Round Re-mixes (Round & Re-mix to name but two). To me, they symbolise the last triumphant 'proper' alternative versions of songs that had their own credit and worth. Thereafter (well, after the conclusion of Technique and periphery material) re-mixes became the normal thing to do and also inherited a predictable tone.

If Pastie felt the urge to tell you, his occupation is not only impressive - it will both surprise and inspire you to write books.

I think P's eating soup at the moment though.

Good guess, H, but not soup. Tomatoes, cucumbers, and baked fish. Although I haven't actually started eating yet. DC was correct in his estimate of how I would deal with a serious panic.

Speaking of, or rather to, DC, thanks for the response on my mixed-by question. It appears that many hands had their part in this little project.

I couldn't work out what time it might be down there in DC (Washington). If I had, I would have suggested tommy's and cucumbers but maybe not baked fish. Sounds healthy though.

I wonder if DC could guess what your line of work is down there in, DC.

Fishmonger?

Huntsman wrote:

If Pastie felt the urge to tell you, his occupation is not only impressive - it will both surprise and inspire you to write books.

Is it anything to do with raccoons?

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Huntsman/patrick - Have you heard the 30 sec clips of each of the songs on the new album in the Music section yet? Gave in to temptation and gave them a listen. I'm pretty optimistic I'd say.

There was quite a nice Chem bros remix thing of Here to stay on Retro I liked as well Huntsman. That's more your thing surely?

Is there? ... I'll have to check.

I have the fantastic Retro package with additional diskette. I'll spin the disk tonight.

There's a 30 second clip library? ... mmmm. Your optimistic? - this bodes well.

Temptation here we come. Or not. Oh I don't know now.

depthcharge wrote:

Huntsman wrote:

If Pastie felt the urge to tell you, his occupation is not only impressive - it will both surprise and inspire you to write books.

Is it anything to do with raccoons?

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Who's been giving away my secrets?

Huntsman wrote:

I wonder if DC could guess what your line of work is down there in, DC.

Is he a druid?

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Seb Briggs wrote: Huntsman/patrick - Have you heard the 30 sec clips of each of the songs on the new album in the Music section yet? Gave in to temptation and gave them a listen. I'm pretty optimistic I'd say.

There was quite a nice Chem bros remix thing of Here to stay on Retro I liked as well Huntsman. That's more your thing surely?

The Extended Instrumental? Tis the finest mix of said track.

Seb Briggs wrote: Huntsman/patrick - Have you heard the 30 sec clips of each of the songs on the new album in the Music section yet? Gave in to temptation and gave them a listen. I'm pretty optimistic I'd say.

There was quite a nice Chem bros remix thing of Here to stay on Retro I liked as well Huntsman. That's more your thing surely?

I'm holding back, especially now that I have paid eil a ridiculous amont of money to send me a promo copy of the album. But based on all the signs (except for Muffy) I'm quite optimistic.

depthcharge wrote:

Huntsman wrote:

I wonder if DC could guess what your line of work is down there in, DC.

Is he a druid?

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Is that a line of work?

Look - Hank's waded in to back up the instrumental version. I will defo' give that a whirl.

P - why don't you set the record straight, there's no shame in selling monkey nuts.

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Is he a druid?

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Is that a line of work?

It is where Huntsy's from.

Do you show groups of Belgians around the White House?

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Patrick wrote:

I'm holding back, especially now that I have paid eil a ridiculous amont of money to send me a promo copy of the album. But based on all the signs (except for Muffy) I'm quite optimistic.

If I was the two of you, I'd wait the two weeks and crack the seal of the genuine article. You're like two virgin brides waiting to be monstered at some motel in Slough on your wedding nights.

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Huntsman wrote: Look - Hank's waded in to back up the instrumental version. I will defo' give that a whirl.

P - why don't you set the record straight, there's no shame in selling monkey nuts.

H, if you would like, feel free. I'm sure you will find a more delicate way to put it than I could.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

You're like two virgin brides waiting to be monstered at some motel in Slough on your wedding nights.

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what, suicidal?

That's quite a picture.

Based on that I'm waiting.

If New Order were more commercial-savvy, they could have addressed the current trend for robbing on the netty and simply called their new album 'Please Wait for the Sirens Call album'.

The Pet Shop Chaps twigged onto this back in the 80's but by the time the internet was in mass use most people had already purchased the album and they missed out on the download craze.

If I ever write a musical bound for Broadway, and a subsequent CD comes out - I might call that 'Never Please Download Me'. With the first song called '30 Second Download Clip' (running time 3:56).

I'd probably get a lion to sing on it like Disney do. It'll make me a small fortune and I'd blow it all on a mule refuge.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

I'm holding back, especially now that I have paid eil a ridiculous amont of money to send me a promo copy of the album. But based on all the signs (except for Muffy) I'm quite optimistic.

If I was the two of you, I'd wait the two weeks and crack the seal of the genuine article. You're like two virgin brides waiting to be monstered at some motel in Slough on your wedding nights.

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But it's more than two weeks. Released on the 28th, and who knows how long it will take my copy from Amazon UK to arrive.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

I'm holding back, especially now that I have paid eil a ridiculous amont of money to send me a promo copy of the album. But based on all the signs (except for Muffy) I'm quite optimistic.

If I was the two of you, I'd wait the two weeks and crack the seal of the genuine article. You're like two virgin brides waiting to be monstered at some motel in Slough on your wedding nights.

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That's quite a picture.

Based on that I'm waiting.

If New Order were more commercial-savvy, they could have addressed the current trend for robbing on the netty and simply called their new album 'Please Wait for the Sirens Call album'.

The Pet Shop Chaps twigged onto this back in the 80's but by the time the internet was in mass use most people had already purchased the album and they missed out on the download craze.

If I ever write a musical bound for Broadway, and a subsequent CD comes out - I might call that 'Never Please Download Me'. With the first song called '30 Second Download Clip' (running time 3:56).

I'd probably get a lion to sing on it like Disney do. It'll make me a small fortune and I'd blow it all on a mule refuge.

According to eil, the name of the album is Waiting for the Sirens to Call.

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote: Look - Hank's waded in to back up the instrumental version. I will defo' give that a whirl.

P - why don't you set the record straight, there's no shame in selling monkey nuts.

H, if you would like, feel free. I'm sure you will find a more delicate way to put it than I could.

I don't think I've got it in me to write something serious. And even if I had, I doubt anybody would believe me.

Maybe better to plant the mental image I have of you - if anyone has seen Trading Place Mats than P is a character within some of the scenes where Edward Murphy is scampering away from the cops in a posh kind of exclusive gentleman's club.

A little bit off topic... Does anyone know where this Krafty video shooting scene took place? I looks very... hm soviet enviroment? Reminds me of Desnogorsk town in Russia.

It would be rude to vacate after such a level of chattering without waving good day. So good day. To one and all.

Tomaz Riznar wrote: A little bit off topic... Does anyone know where this Krafty video shooting scene took place? I looks very... hm soviet enviroment? Reminds me of Desnogorsk town in Russia.

Yes, I think it is Desnogorsk town, in Russia. You can make out the hot dog stand that can be found there on Tuesday's.

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote: Look - Hank's waded in to back up the instrumental version. I will defo' give that a whirl.

P - why don't you set the record straight, there's no shame in selling monkey nuts.

H, if you would like, feel free. I'm sure you will find a more delicate way to put it than I could.

I don't think I've got it in me to write something serious. And even if I had, I doubt anybody would believe me.

Maybe better to plant the mental image I have of you - if anyone has seen Trading Place Mats than P is a character within some of the scenes where Edward Murphy is scampering away from the cops in a posh kind of exclusive gentleman's club.

I believe I saw that film once.

I can see I'm being thrown no more bones here.

My last guess: is he some sort of performance artist? Modern dance perhaps, something rhythmic, interpretive, backed perhaps by a sort of cacophony of household appliances?

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Huntsman wrote: Maybe better to plant the mental image I have of you - if anyone has seen Trading Place Mats than P is a character within some of the scenes where Edward Murphy is scampering away from the cops in a posh kind of exclusive gentleman's club.

So he works at the club or he's a member?

I'll go away and have a think.

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depthcharge wrote: I can see I'm being thrown no more bones here.

My last guess: is he some sort of performance artist? Modern dance perhaps, something rhythmic, interpretive, backed perhaps by a sort of cacophony of household appliances?

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That doesn't sound very much like my typical day, DC, but perhaps my perceptions are off.

Huntsman wrote: It would be rude to vacate after such a level of chattering without waving good day. So good day. To one and all.

Good day, H. It's been even better than old times.

It's been a gas, peeps.

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Anybody know where the Riton mix can be found ;)? - I've bought the others, but the 30 secs I've heard on here sounds better than Glimmers or Phones to me.

Martin Fenner wrote: Anybody know where the Riton mix can be found ;)? - I've bought the others, but the 30 secs I've heard on here sounds better than Glimmers or Phones to me.

It's on the 5-track promo.

At this stage, you can only find it on the black-covered UK Krafty promo CD. If you're really keen you can pick them up for around GBP14 on eil.com, or less if you're lucky on eBay. Also now on the Australian 7-track CD promo.

There's also a reasonable chance that it'll appear on the official US Krafty CD single, it's likely to be a maxi-type affair.

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I scampered into my local HMV on Monday to get all three formats but nope, my local HMV are only stocking the first CD. But I was told that I can order the second CD through their website..... Confused? (Why can't I just bloody buy it in the shop?)

As for the 12".... that just got a blank faced look from the assistant. Grrrr.

Sam

Welcome aboard Sam and a tidy rip at HMV for your maiden post! Speaking of which, it's always good to see maidens enter the fray. Don't let the 8-odd pages of unrelated gabble in this thread deter you though.

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... you old smoothie.

depthcharge wrote: Welcome aboard Sam and a tidy rip at HMV for your maiden post! Speaking of which, it's always good to see maidens enter the fray. Don't let the 8-odd pages of unrelated gabble in this thread deter you though.

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Thanks for the welcome! Another thing about HMV - the assistant gave me a quizzical look as if to say that women don't listen to New Order. I suppose us female JD/NO fans are a rarity and I was half expecting the assistant to ask me if I had made a mistake and did I mean the Girls Aloud section instead?

Grrrr (again)

Sam (listening to her ONE solitary 'Krafty' CD single)

I got CD2 from HMV2 in Brighton; we've got 2 'ere don't you know?

'as anybody 'ere got, like, the 'Riton' mix though, nudge, nudge

Come on, that's a legitimate request; I've bought the others.

Martz

Email me.

Martin Fenner wrote: I got CD2 from HMV2 in Brighton; we've got 2 'ere don't you know?

Tsk. Talk about rubbing salt into the wounds! :D I'm amazed that Stoke has got one HMV. Not that it's much cop

Sam (wearing out her ONE copy of 'Krafty')

Patrick wrote: By the way, is this the first time on an NO album or single version that there has been a "mixed by" credit?

Technique was produced by New Order, but mixed by Alan Meyerson.

So place yer bets. McFly at 1,Elvis at 2. New Order about 5 i reckon.

Andy wrote:

Patrick wrote: By the way, is this the first time on an NO album or single version that there has been a "mixed by" credit?

Technique was produced by New Order, but mixed by Alan Meyerson.

Thanks. I see that there were also mixing credits on GR.

Silly! this isn't a proper Krafty thread... it just got silly!

everything is flawed. nothing is pure except what isn't real. we can never understand or know anything truely objectively.

I'm dissappointed at it entering # 8. It's such a great song. Should have been top 5.