New Order fans are being exploited. A shameless way to make an extra buck!

As New Order fans dont you feel exploited when the bands bring out a new single.

How many versions of Karfy do you need. OK maybee a 12" and a CD version.

But 8 versions!!.

Krafty - 12" Single Krafty - CD (2 versions) - NUOCD13 Krafty - CD (4 versions) - NUCDP13

They know as big fans your going to buy most of them. Bands like this make money off of their longstanding fans, rather than the person who buys the odd single now n then. Or the uneducated teens that probly would buy some manufactured karaoke pop ripoff.

So to maximise their profits they bring out as many versions as they can get away with. Pet Shop Boys do it, and Waco Jack is one of the worst offenders.

Dont you feel used??

PS: Dont quote the rule about 3 tracks per CD single to qualify for the charts I know about this. Anyway shouldnt a band of this calibre be abouve all that chart position rubish. Its semi rigged anyway.

No, I don't feel used at all. I like to hear how different people interpret different tracks, how they draw some inspiration from a part of a song, how different people can hear the same thing and draw different conclusions for how they would have recorded it themselves. Remixes offer you this. Nobody makes you buy them all, and I'd much rather have three or four CDs with a couple of remixes on than one long-player with ten!

You sound straingly brainwashed.

You know you do not have to buy Krafty if you do not want to...

At least there isn't a DVD single as well this time ;)

There's always been groups who have more than one version of their single. If you have 5 remixes and 2 or 3 alternative version, that doesn't make sense to put them all on one disc. You'd end up spending the money anyway, at least now there's some choice and a chance to put the band (any band) up on the charts ( in countries where people bother). Depeche Mode does it, Radiohead too I think. There's lots more I bet.

A DERP to you buddy

Two of three versions fair enough but 8??? Then there is the forigen stuff.

Inclination or compulsion, there is a fine line.

Alchoholics have inclinations too....:D (Joking)

Yes I am exploited and I am USED. That's alright with me.

Gimme my J-pop Krafty.

Will I want 88 mixes of Krafty

I hate remixes

I love 'em - they're usually better than the 'original' (whatever that is/was). It's a bit like saying, I don't want to see them live unless they play all the songs exactly the same way - boring.

Depeche Mode have always released 3 different singles and even special boxes to store the 3 in, so it looks particularly empty and "oh you're not a real fan"-y if you don't buy them.

I'm personally glad there's loads of new New Order stuff to buy, what's wrong with a little choice?!

Ally3000 wrote: We're not being exploited. Nobody has to buy the singles and nobody said being a collector was cheap or convenient. That's half of the fun, tracking down some South American 9" vinyl with a rare edit of a 7" dub mix The Krafty single set is no different to their earlier singles. They've always been a band that rely heavily on remixes in their singles career mainly because they've produced only a handful of b-sides and even then they're mostly instrumental/throwaway. Tracks like "Don't Do It" are interesting, but ultimately non-essential and sound like they were quickly knocked up during a jam session. I personally wish they'd backed Krafty with a b-side or two, but this mystery "2nd album" waiting in the wings is a decent enough excuse providing we get it within one year. If they take another 3 years+ to come up with a follow up to WFTSC then that's just laziness and unforgivable. Especially as they say they have seven tracks or something pretty much done

I like dance music so I don't mind remixes in general. The Phones Reality mix is the best of this particular bunch and I like it alot. However the rest of them are simply not very good. The remixers haven't done much with the samples and in short they've been lazy bastards! The Andy Green remix IS the radio edit minus the "bloopy" bridge and with the keyboards turned up slightly. It's like loading the Radio Edit in Cool Edit, chopping a bit of it off and reverbing the whole track. The Glimmers mix is similarly lazy but in a stripped down way and the only original thing added is a distorted bleepy line. When you compare them to some of the True Faith mixes we've seen or the Reunited in a day version compared to the original Ruined in a day you can see how proper remixes with originality are done. The Krafty ones are just too lazy.

Still my Krafty 12" looks fucking cool on my shelf I love the artwork. Not feeling ripped off here at all, and I own both the white and black cover CD "Krafty mixes" promos which all made nice additions to my collection.

Ally.

On the Glimmers mix, I agree the "distorted bleepy line" is weak, but in other respects it seems to me this mix brings out important elements that are somehat thrown away in the "original" version. I agree the Phones Reality mix is good.

Ally, Oh yeah I fully agree with you its probably not the bands fault. Its definately the greed in the eyes of the record company .

Im a poor student in my final year (whinge whinge), I cant afford all the new versions my fav artists bring out.

Still managed to get a reasonable collection. Picked up Blue Monday (Die Cut) 2nd pressing with lables mixed up for 50p this weekend (bless the carboot sale). Also managed a white label (no print) titled "Getting Remixed" that includes Electronics "getting away with it" remixies for 20p. :;)

Do New Order have the power to go it alone and bypass Warner to deliver direct to the fans via the web. Or are they tied by some complex contract between them and Warner.??