Which producer has brought out the best in New Order's music?

i belive Martin Hannet did the best, even though nothing seemed a top hit, But alot of the songs where different, different from what i ever heard in music, trust me, i think if they still had Hannet, they be very different

The band themselves, although the magic seems to be gone.

The band themselves and Hague.

Spike wrote: i belive Martin Hannet did the best, even though nothing seemed a top hit, But alot of the songs where different, different from what i ever heard in music, trust me, i think if they still had Hannet, they be very different

im with spike!

Good point, Ally. But I think someone could do a similar poll without including the band themselves, since most fans probably pick that one. So another question is: when NO had someone else as producer, which was the best one? Then I would pick Steve Osborne, as he seems to let the whole thing flow - just helping the band to give the best of their work. And you've forgotten Arthur Baker's 1963-95 and Let's Go/Nothing For Me.

And other producer we can't forget to mention: Chemical Brothers with Here To Stay...

I have to say steven hauge. I love Republic more than any other album I have to say, besides 1963 is an incredible song. Although I think Steve Osborne, New Order themselves, Marnett Hannet, & then Arthur baker.

Tough choice, everyone of them has had their great and weak moments, while Street and Leckie (and Stuart Price too) have made great works, but too few to be compared with the others... Hannett, Baker and Hague are three giants in my book of music history... Voted the band because they've made great stuff on their own too, and it's amazing an inventive song like I Told You So wasn't made by any production guru but themselves...

Did you all forget John Robie? Shellshock was produced and wirtten by him & NO.

I prefer the pure New Order overall, mistakes and all, unique personality

Hague has had a few beautiful songs as mentioned (Regret, 1963, True Faith, they are great without a doubt)... but then most of the rest of Republic seems so underacheiving, the nadir of New Order. his remix of Round and Round just cleaned it up a little, didnt make it a bigger hit. so i feel very mixed about Hague. Barney always wanted to be Pet Shop Boy

Get Ready always seemed "too fat" to me, needed a stronger editor to reign in the excesses... don't think he really brought out the best in New Order

John Leckie, with those two songs, he just let New Order be New Order

Stephen Street's production is solid and professional, look how tight Turn is and how much betetr Working Overtime is compared to the drunken amateur sounding Rock the Shack

Hannett was really not on the same page with the band on Movement, he did not bring out the best during that period, thou the Closer/ Love Will Tear Us Apart/ Ceremony was near perfection

Hannett - the production and effects on Movement were sublime. The first cut of Ceremony - what a sound. Cries and Whispers/Egg - need I say more. I actually think he captured the essence of the band, perfectly, at the time.

A Siren's Touch wrote: I picked Steve Osborne because I think Get Ready sounds great overall, which we cannot say about Republic, where Hooky's bass has been left on the side too much.

WFTSC has good moments and less good moments when it comes to production/mixing/mastering, and this is my biggest complaint towards that album.

How can it be that we're so far apart?

It's the antithesis of how they sound at there best. He's by far the worst producer they've been near, ever. Awful awful awful. He's a complete ham, no talent whatsoever. The classic sound of New Order has probably best been captured by themselves. If they are geniuses at anything it's being architects of sound. As such Power Corruption and Lies is the zenith of that, Get Ready the nadir. Technique was close to them recapturing that perfect sound. Hague was always too sacharine sounding. Hannett is probably the best but his imprint added a little too much darkness.

RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: Did you all forget John Robie? Shellshock was produced and wirtten by him & NO.

seeing the title of the thread i feared he may be in the list & was pleased by his absence. he ruined a lot of their songs.

It did in 1987 Ally.

Stephen Hauge any day.

He has done allot of good music for many of my favourite artists of the 80's.

He knows how to put pure exhilaration into music. So good infact that it can make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.

One of my favourite producers third only only to Julian D Mendelsohn and Trevor Horn.

The title is the best of 'New Order's' music, so how Hannett can be mentioned when his near sole contribution is the nasty mucky JD wannabee Movement I'm not too sure. The updated versions of Ceremony always sounded far better to me as well, no matter what the 'old skool' NO fans may say.

Didn't think the production of Get raedy was too bad to be honest - it was enar perfection on my 2 favourite songs on the album, Crystal and Primitive Notion

So the band generally, though I'd suggest this could well be just labelled 'Bernard' from things I've read.

I suspect Steve, Gillian and Peter input more than has been debated.

I'd say Hannett, because I think Movement is an unbelievably great production - some amazing ideas going on there that only MH could do, but only New Order's music could inspire. I wish they'd worked together for one more album at least, perhaps PC&L. Hannett had pretty much shot his bolt by 87/88 so they were probably best served by their own production in the mid/late 80s. I'm really not convinced by Hannett's later work (Bummed, the Stone Roses demos) - everything sounds like it was recorded with band right at the back of a giant aircraft hanger and the mikes at the other end.

I really don't rate Stephen Hague - turn up the bass, man! Virtually everything I've heard of his is waaaay too thin sounding, not just his work with NO.

Hey Ally - you forgot the Peel Sessions producers! I'm being semi-serious here - I really rate the guys that did Peel sessions in the late 70's/early-mid 80's (Bob Sergeant, Tony Wilson, Dale Griffin etc) - they did a bloody good job with almost every band thrown at them, working to a tight schedule. I can't remember exactly who did the 1st two New Order sessions, but you get the point...

Andrew Scott wrote: Stephen Hauge any day.

He has done allot of good music for many of my favourite artists of the 80's.

He knows how to put pure exhilaration into music. So good infact that it can make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.

One of my favourite producers third only only to Julian D Mendelsohn and Trevor Horn.

Try spelling the cunt's name right then!

What cunts name? Spellings seem correct to me

DC wrote: I'd say Hannett, because I think Movement is an unbelievably great production - some amazing ideas going on there that only MH could do, but only New Order's music could inspire. I wish they'd worked together for one more album at least, perhaps PC&L. Hannett had pretty much shot his bolt by 87/88 so they were probably best served by their own production in the mid/late 80s. I'm really not convinced by Hannett's later work (Bummed, the Stone Roses demos) - everything sounds like it was recorded with band right at the back of a giant aircraft hanger and the mikes at the other end.

I really don't rate Stephen Hague - turn up the bass, man! Virtually everything I've heard of his is waaaay too thin sounding, not just his work with NO.

Hey Ally - you forgot the Peel Sessions producers! I'm being semi-serious here - I really rate the guys that did Peel sessions in the late 70's/early-mid 80's (Bob Sergeant, Tony Wilson, Dale Griffin etc) - they did a bloody good job with almost every band thrown at them, working to a tight schedule. I can't remember exactly who did the 1st two New Order sessions, but you get the point...

Compare Bummed to Pills and Thrills. Bummed - genius and Pills - rubbish. Coincidence?

Mmmm.

Nop!, your 'gonna have to be more specific Hank; I just can't get the link!?

I chose the band themselves on the basis of PC&L and Technique, but Arthut Baker for TLU and Lonesome Tonight and Steve Hague for True Faith, Regret and 1963. John Robbie should no be allowed anywhere near NO, prefereably he should be shot, but I'm mellowing with age, so just stab the fucker.

Jedi, your too kind.

DC wrote: I'd say Hannett, because I think Movement is an unbelievably great production - some amazing ideas going on there that only MH could do, but only New Order's music could inspire. I wish they'd worked together for one more album at least, perhaps PC&L..

*Fookin hell, can you imagine that album produced by Hannett? No, thanks, those songs weren't made for him, as much as I love his work, especially in Joy Division (and PCL is perfect as it is since it's my favourite album ever)... By the way the Mondays' best album was their debut, it was that exciting evolution of the punk-funk ACR were pioneering...