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You know, I got to thinking the other night (it may have been the vegetables).

I wondered, would it be feasible and worthwhile to consider creating a 'fan-made' NO box-set; made by the fans - for the fans. I'm not suggesting some perfunctory throwaway effort; instead, I describe a better world for us all to live in.

With no commercial remit distorting the pathway of the material, the opportunity to craft one almighty package of bonafide stock and non-commercially available material collated from people's personal collection would prize the gates of hope wide open. Let me expand (the idea).

If we observe 'The Doves' latest offering, we notice that they have carefully studied Jimmy Saville's majestic and quite beautiful 'STILL' Joy Division cover, and simply copied it to good effect. The point being, that on level one, this fan-made package could be beautifully wrapped 'in the old style' in an effort to encourage people to 'collect it' and simply want it. Any fan worth his or her weight in salt and vinegar would always prefer a stunning package with which to hold their precious bounty. But what bounty?

The content structure could follow in a similar vein to 'Retro', with specific distinct categories making the assemblance more practical. The hook to the idea is the subject matter, and perhaps only viable now that the interpipe is fully operational. 'Anything' can be located, processed and included ... now that's an incredibly huge amount of juice to be extracted from a monumentally large tangerine. In short, the discs could contain all that one could wish for (and more). Example:

Disc 1: The Songs A poll on this site would quickly identify the best album and single release songs (in case anyone had missed the last 500 'best of' polls). Ceremony, Leave my wife Alone, Dreaming about Attacks, Turn Spinner etc. - NOT any miscellaneous nonsense that didn't even make 'International' - this could be the genuine articulated lorry load.

Disc 2: The Rareities Oh yes, the 'genuine' bootlegs, now a far cry from their initial cassette tape origins of hiss and whistling. Let's have a few from 'Academy', I'd like a couple from G-Mex '88 thank you very much ... mmmm, Woolwich Coronet? ... Pier 84 in New York. Again, an agreement must be made but the possibilities of creating a much sought after compilation is the stuff of legends.

Disc 3: The Video Archive 'Top of the Pops' performances, 'The Roxy'!?, 'Big World Café', 'Glastonbury('s)', 'The Hacienda', 'The 1982 Festival of Free Cheeses'? ... the mouth is beginning to water.

Disc 4: The Mixes Let us enter the bonafide 12" mixes, unexpurgated to reveal their entire glory. Elect a suitably impressive array of 're-mixes' (I won't be betting on this race) and wunderbar! - magic has been skillfully created at the touch of a mouse mat.

'Homage' would seem an apt title, and also very much in keeping with the heart of the Order.

But why would one wish to attempt such a seemingly thankless task? Well, for many reasons:

firstly, to create a genuine definitive New Order document to retain and utilise which boasts the absolute cream of the milk saved from any external 'I work with New Order therefore I decide what goes in the tin',

secondly, to once again be proud to show off the packaging of a NO (related) project,

fourthly, to acquire all of the tasty morsels oft-discussed in fan-land and on these very boards but rarely consumed by all and played after dark, in the privacy of people's own mobile homes.

It's just a thought. But I thought I would share it out like a bag of sweets for the rustling.

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Good idea!

how about a bonus disk of side projects...

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Not a bad idea at all Humpty.

With the band getting several pieces of live stuff from ATR for the box set, we can do a similar thing with the members here.

I know for a fact, that between 5 or 6 of us we have everything neworder to do with live concerts, tv appearances etc...

And we all have millions of live CDR's and I believe a certain Blue person put together a classic rarities double cd. Every corner covered......except for copywrite:thumb:

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A similar project was done by the format-challenging poster known as "-1". Four discs of stuff not readily available on CD called "International 2".

Not bad, however I never did get to the bottom of how my shiny crystal clear rip of of the Sunrise Rough Mix that I submitted for inclusion sounded like it was being played underwater on the finished disc.

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Not forgetting the disc of calamitous cock ups of which Tim was compiling a list some time back.

What about a comedy disc editing out 25 years of live tracks but leaving in all those one-liners.  Must be a discs worth there?

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The key to this is that through the power of the pipe, access to everything is granted - as Shunter points out. The 'Sunrise Rough Mix' is precisely the material which could feature - for instance, I've never heard it.

'Commercial gain' is not the concept - it would be for the fans, not for the fans money.

It is entirely feasible to compile a package for the love, not the money.

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huntsman wrote: The key to this is that through the power of the pipe, access to everything is granted - as Shunter points out. The 'Sunrise Rough Mix' is precisely the material which could feature - for instance, I've never heard it. 'Commercial gain' is not the concept - it would be for the fans, not for the fans money. It is entirely feasible to compile a package for the love, not the money.

Awwwwww - such idealism this late in the day? It warms the cockles of my heart it does!!!

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It's a trick.

Watch for the crumbly bits at the bottom of the tube.

:hat:

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Nice idea ...Radiohead have a similiar bootleg doing the the rounds ("Towering Above The Rest")which is actually 10 discs of material starting with all the b sides ,songs not included on LPs..to demo recordings ..early live recordings of certain songs ..right thru to rare mixes ..quite a collection.With the material that is out there that NewOrder have done over said number of years , 4 discs maybe on the conservative side ....

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HowieFiveO wrote: Nice idea ...Radiohead have a similiar bootleg doing the the rounds ("Towering Above The Rest")which is actually 10 discs of material starting with all the b sides ,songs not included on LPs..to demo recordings ..early live recordings of certain songs ..right thru to rare mixes ..quite a collection.With the material that is out there that NewOrder have done over said number of years , 4 discs maybe on the conservative side ....

I forgot about that. I have it on my pc at home. Great bootleg.

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The True Huntsman wrote:

It's a trick.

Watch for the crumbly bits at the bottom of the tube.

:hat:

The REAL Huntsman has a PRINGLE embeded in his SKULL.And the flavour is?

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There is only '1' flavour.

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Curried badger, ROCKET Minx!

:hat:

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that clears it up for me!

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Ha! ... caught red-handed.

Of course, the only 'real', 'true' and indeed 'proper' flavour of Pringles is ...

Pringles Sour Cream & Onion 'Light'!

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Many fettlers have a chip on their shoulder but to have one festooned in their scalp, well.. twas the day I became a vego.

Curried badger indeed.

:hat:

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You know, we haven't seen Depthcharge around the new board yet - have we?

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Nice to feel missed Hucklebuck, finally got this blimmin' thing to work.

:\pimp3:

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That ends that conspiracy, fettlers...

I'm off to oil my mule.

:hat:

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Weird.

Your project sounds promising Hunter, I'd love to contribute that Guilt remix you mentioned before, DJ Kangaroo Meat I believe? See if I can't track it down. Where's Pastie, never did get to the bottom of that vocation thing...

:\pimp3:

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I think it's a nice idea in that the fans would do a much better job than the piss-poor Retro project.  However I'm not convinced the boxset wouldn't suffer from similar problems to Retro i.e. you can't please everyone with the tracklisting.  I'm sure there are people out there who thought Retro was great (names on a postcard plz) but I and alot of other people thought it was a mediocre and disappointing effort.  I'd be into it for the Rarities disc mainly, but as fans we have no (or limited) access to mastering/audio cleaning faclilities, simply decoding your MP3s to WAV and burning them would be pointless.

Nice idea though, I saw what you meant with the new Doves album.  I have my nice linen box stored away gathering value for that special day when it's despatched to Mr eBay :laugh:

Ally.

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The True Huntsman wrote:

That ends that conspiracy, fettlers...

I'm off to oil my mule.

:hat:

You're Muffy and I claim my ten pounds.

Maybe.

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Last I heard Pastie was still entangled in the Jacko trial. He was trying to convince the audience that Jackson was only ever interested in fruit, and not cheese.

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Its a good idea alright, but the size will be the biggest problem (where have i heard that before?).

Fitting the best album/single tracks onto one CD may be possible (would 14 tracks be enough to represent NO?); but when it comes to the live offerings there's just too much to choose from (pick the best live version of Temptation anyone?).  Also, I always prefer to listen to a gig the whole way through - listning to just one track misses out on the atmosphere, so i'd be looking for the 10 best GIGS.  Its gonna be messy . . .

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Some people might remember that back in 1997, I started a project of doing a mp3 collection called "New Order Anthology", which was a 3 CD set consisting of all out of print New Order material. I also did the Videology, that as a 10 CD set.

I stopped doing these at the very first moment I heard about Recycle, because there was no way in hell I wanted to take money out of New Order.. the idea was to have out of print music and rarities.

I wanted to do a similar project on DVD now, it could be even more complete... and have better versions of everything because this time, nobody would have to send me tape in the mail so I could encode stuff.

I'd rather do something like this, it would be more complete, although those are DVD data disks, if people want audio cds, that's another thing of course.

So the first move would be to do a visit to Mr Sultan's house when he's not there, and probably to Digital Mike's house as well :evil4:

Cut that last one, I was kidding, the rest however is an interesting project, but due to the fact that I am the webmaster here, I never went on with it, but I still believe it's the only way to get our hands on out-of-print music since the band doesn't seem to be ready to release remastered cds of earlier material.

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