Which album should I get first. I'm a big fan of Joy Division and have only started listening to New Order a few months - I have a "20 years of New Order" cd-r and the two dvds. Just wondering what album you recommend I start with.
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Everyone will have different opinions on this one, but i'd suggest you'd start with Substance and then being a JD fan LowLife.
Dont forget their new album, Its their best thing since Technique!
I agree with The DoN; Substance then Low-Life.
High praise for the Sirens - care to expand on the finer moments? (to a person who hasn't heard many moments as yet).
I am respectfully waiting till its release until I do a review!
Suffice to say its a real grower and dont be fooled by the song titles! ![[:)]](/emoticons/smile.gif){kind=small}
Just get the one called WAITING FOR THE SIRENS CALL.It is everything NEW ORDER stand for NOW.
I've got it ALL ...
don speaks wise words. substance is the best compilation
but if you can stretch to it retro may be ideal for you - showcases their different sounds well.
as a jd fan you may prefer pc & l but low life is a corker.
You have to start with Substance - it will give you a good idea of their progression over time in the 80's. After that is up to you - depends on your favourite bits on Substance - come back & ask us again after a dozen listens to it.
Substance....then if you're a big JD fan, go for Movement. Sounds the most like JD. Then pick up Low Life and PCL.
If you have money, Retro is the way to go... otherwise buy INTERNATIONAL.
To start with New Order, it's probably the best. I agree Substance is a good call, but not just yet, since it doesn't include anything prior to 1987.
Once you live this compilation, then start buying the real things... ![[;)]](/emoticons/wink.gif){kind=small}
I'd suggest starting with "Power, Corruption & Lies."
"Substance" is terrific, of course (and includes everything from the mighty "1981-1982" EP, which is really the first thing you should get, but it's sadly outta print), but it suffers slightly - VERY slightly - from being a singles compilation. That is, it'll mess with the context a bit, especially since it contains extended versions of LP tracks (I'll never forget the rush of hearing the 12" version of "The perfect kiss" after living with the album edit for a while - blew my frickin' mind!). That's a minor quibble, though, and an entirely personal opinion.
With "Power, Corrution & Lies," though, you get a really good cross-section of sounds and approaches. It's a beaut.
marc wrote: Which album should I get first. I'm a big fan of Joy Division and have only started listening to New Order a few months - I have a "20 years of New Order" cd-r and the two dvds. Just wondering what album you recommend I start with.
MAN you guys are bonkers!
if you are JD fan, start in a respected continuous form.. start with their first album. MOVEMENT since they still kind of have a JD membrane bestowed unto them, but slightly different and more upbeat, its fucking amazing the first album.. i find it the most groundbreaking and the best of their material... but i would get yelled at this notion from my online counterparts... then slap right to substance 1987, and listen to CD 2 first.. so you can hear some of the singles that came out before their first album which was i clearly state is their best artsy material ever!(ignore the remixes.) then switch to cd 1, and listen to the progression from early new order (first 3 songs) to the later new order (the rest) if you enjoy all of it... then you are set for the contiguous transition, and then listen to them in order with their releases . PCL - lowlife- brotherhood-technique-republic-get ready- and that new album that came out i dont know what its called ;) . this is the way i went. and ive been a die hard fan ever since... well mostly for their earlier stuff and techinique[8o|]
I was a big JD fan before I came to New Order as well. Personally I started with Republic because I was intrigued by the CD booklet. I remember thinking the first five tracks (yes, even World) were very very good. Regret is a good starter point for any new fan. Other than that I would recommend Substance, then Technique so as to get a feel for some of the band's best work and to hear the best examples of their musical dynamic. I do own all the best ofs (International, Retro, (the best of), 20 Years etc.) but personally if you're going to make an effort with a new band, get the proper albums rather than best ofs! :)
Some people here love Movement and while it's not a completely awful album it's not really a good example of what New Order are like, especially these days. If you're going to start at the very beginning get Power, Corruption & Lies, it's a great album that encapsulates their signature sound and is infectious in its optomism. I love Joy Division and their unique sound too but Movement was just apeing that and they needed to move on. It obviously wasn't the band's fault, Ian had just died but it's not their finest hour due to a shedload of mitigating circumstances. PC&L is where New Order were reborn and left Joy Division behind for good.
Ally.
For beginners International is not too bad. What I actually endorsed that, what's the world coming to? Well I did actually buy one once as a Prezzie for someone. It's actually a reasonalbly decent comp of their history, except for a couple of songs that I would have replaced.
Also get Technique, & Low Life.
WenRedro wrote:
bah , i still think its their best shit ever
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You must've been really disappointed when they ditched just about everything to do with that sound/"best shit" after Movement. The band that created PC&L and Movement are not the same beasts. I never much cared for Movement personally, but PC&L is one of my favourite albums ever: so much energy, optomism and even these days it still sounds "new" in a way. I'm personally pretty glad they moved on; continual depressing sessions with the smack obsessed Hannett and Barney imitating Ian would've destroyed them eventually. None of the songs (bar maybe Dreams Never End) on Movement ring true as New Order. They're more like a "Joy Division dog" that's lost it's leg in an accident.
Ally.
Indeed the first proper NO release I ever picked up was Republic. It's a good place to start out for two reasons-
It's the one evolutionary link between 'Old' Order and contemporary NO.
Despite being underrated, any Order releases you pick up after Republic are bound to be better on some level.
I think I will start off with Substance, it looks quite good, some tracks were on 20 years of New Order and there are some songs on it just worth getting - Ceremony, In A Lonely Place, Temptation, etc.
well see the thing is, i like doom and gloom music... and with the other bands i like movement follows a very close range with them... thats why i prefer it. and if you think about it... when you listen to "the Him" i have never heard such a piece of work like that before... almost sounds indie. dont get me wrong, i love the progression that new order made, or else it wouldnt be new order, but they needed movement. or else they woudlnt have that variety change with PCL. and PCL is my second favorite. i listen to that everyday... dont forget "Murder" was supposed to be on PCL, thats a very movement type of song
I suggest you Get Movement. It's actually more "Joy Division" kind of a dark record than traditional New Order kind of. But keep in mind that it isn't actually the best New Order record.. the best is the second one, which still has some mentionable Joy Divison influences too.
