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During the great darkness, I composed the following notes for H. He has kindly authorized me to share them.

T1: My reactions vary to this one. Sometimes it works for me and sometimes it doesn't. The times when it doesn't, it sounds like they are trying way too hard here. It strikes me that it is probably this aspect of this track that has produced in many listeners the first reaction that the album as a whole is labored and forced.

But more times than not it does work for me. Wonder why Parma Mick doesn't hear the bells?

T2: My reactions to this one are much more consistent. I like it. I don't really see the Technique comparison. But then I almost never listen to Technique. As I may have noted before, it's just too cheerful.

T3: This one is obviously the second best track on the album, but frankly it is not at all what I expected, based on the title and the reactions from people who heard it before I did. From the title I expected something much more lyrical, more like T10 turned out to be. I think WFTSC is a perfect title for the album, but not for this track. Something like "Midnight Train" would have been a better title for this one. I still haven't decided how I feel about the way the last word of "stranger on the shore" is cut off by "I won't desert you." 3:32 is one of my favorite moments on this track.

T4: I've just heard this one way too many times. They obviously knew this would be the first single long before the album was released, and as a result it was probably worked over quite a bit. Still, I like the wobbly bit.

T5: This is one candidate for third best track on the album (along with 9, which probably wins out for that spot). Fourth then. As I've said before, this is the track where the sirens really dwell, the heart of the Odyssey parallels: "It's been ten long years since I've been home." 1:55 is when it really starts getting good (Parma Mick's "sequenced banjo"). I still love the lines "If it ain't the job and it ain't the place" and "a mixed-up guy and a no-good girl."

T6: The slick side starts here. I find the lyrics of this one really appealing. For example: "then again friend"; "other people made that call." I actually really like this one.

T7: Another good one. Best line: "I work hard to keep you by my side, every day and almost every night."

T8: This is the obvious place to make the point that I really like the sound effects on this album. Footsteps, "It's only one more day," whistling, ice cubes, motorcycle. Brilliant. Somebody complained about "leave your baggage behind"; I love that line. "Long live love"; love it. "I need that engine's push"; love it. "Home with me"; love it; the way BS says "home" here sounds like homage to Neil Tennant. Great song. The first time I heard it I hated it.

T9: Love the heartbeat sound. More PSB allusions: "opportunity"; "losing my mind." Not crazy about "another color Van Gogh." Love the hand-clap effect. "You sure know a lot for a girl"; gay disco indeed. There is nothing forced about this.

T10: What can I say that I haven't said before? Love the way BS says "nobody." Perfect from beginning to end. I agree that the vocal style here matches LMA perfectly.

T11: As I've said many times before, I think this track is very important to the album as a whole, structurally and thematically. The 20 seconds starting at 1:48 may be the emotional climax of this album. "All the girls out there, looking for the one, do they really care." You may not like this track, but you shouldn't ignore it.

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P, 'another colour Van Gogh'?

I think the lyric could be; 'another colour than gold' - as in, gold is considered to be 'the best, most luxurious colouring unit' and can be obtained, but love is another colour other than gold, a far superior, non-specific product which is almost impossible to purchase, like seagull crisps.

It's just a theory of course, and not quite a working concept.

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This is one of the best 'personal' reactions to the album yet. I'm actually amused that Patsy has typed this much at any one time, he must've necked a few espressos today already.

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Have you given the hat a test drive yet, friend of the squirrel?

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I definitely prefer your version, H. I will consider that the next time I listen.

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"Another colour than gold" is correct I believe.

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depthcharge wrote: This is one of the best 'personal' reactions to the album yet. I'm actually amused that Patsy has typed this much at any one time, he must've necked a few espressos today already.

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I did it in two sittings, DC.

I'm glad you liked it.

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depthcharge wrote: "Another colour than gold" is correct I believe.

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I'm greatly relieved.

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Here goes with the hat ...

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The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote: Is this wise ??? letting Patty, Hunts & the aussie chat away in thread, we know what happened the last two times !!!

But the difference is this time it's on-topic.

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Patrick wrote:

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote: Is this wise ??? letting Patty, Hunts & the aussie chat away in thread, we know what happened the last two times !!!

But the difference is this time it's on-topic.

for how long ?

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I heard "Turn" at work on Radio 2 this morning (WFTSC is the Album Of The Week) and I stand by my previous statement that it is one of the best 4.5 mins of New Order ever.

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The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote:

Patrick wrote:

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote: Is this wise ??? letting Patty, Hunts & the aussie chat away in thread, we know what happened the last two times !!!

But the difference is this time it's on-topic.

for how long ?

Only the gods can tell.

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Patrick wrote:

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote:

Patrick wrote:

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote: Is this wise ??? letting Patty, Hunts & the aussie chat away in thread, we know what happened the last two times !!!

But the difference is this time it's on-topic.

for how long ?

Only the gods can tell.

Well the squirrel enthusiast was already steering us off the road in fitting his millinery.

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Do squirrels wear hats?

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The posh ones do.

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Huntsman wrote: The posh ones do.

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What happened to your review, H?

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Maybe it would be time to bring back the original track per track thread... :idea:

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Spotnick wrote: Maybe it would be time to bring back the original track per track thread... :idea:

Sorry, Nic, I didn't take the time to look for it.

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depthcharge wrote: The Sprinkler's alarms are sounding.

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WAITING FOR THE SPRINKLERS' ALARMS?

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Patrick wrote:

Wonder why Parma Mick doesn't hear the bells?

*I don't know. I just hear these huge sounds and they don't seem bells... when I hear it on my portable CD player I also hear distant echoes which could sound like bells, but not really funeral bells, more like exotic bells, like Japanese or something, heavily filtered though...

T5: This is one candidate for third best track on the album (along with 9, which probably wins out for that spot). Fourth then.

*I must be the only one to have it as most favourite...

1:55 is when it really starts getting good (Parma Mick's "sequenced banjo"

* :laugh: Yeah, I just didn't know how to describe it (how would you call it?), of course it's just a keyboard but someone wrote it sounded like a banjo and I really agreed... also I really like how its frenzy recalls their best sequencers like EGG or Temptation, hence the "sequenced banjo"... I also found a name for those bells on Joe: the "ghost bells"... ;)

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Mick Aneworderfan wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Wonder why Parma Mick doesn't hear the bells?

*I don't know. I just hear these huge sounds and they don't seem bells... when I hear it on my portable CD player I also hear distant echoes which could sound like bells, but not really funeral bells, more like exotic bells, like Japanese or something, heavily filtered though...

T5: This is one candidate for third best track on the album (along with 9, which probably wins out for that spot). Fourth then.

*I must be the only one to have it as most favourite...

1:55 is when it really starts getting good (Parma Mick's "sequenced banjo"

* :laugh: Yeah, I just didn't know how to describe it (how would you call it?), of course it's just a keyboard but someone wrote it sounded like a banjo and I really agreed... also I really like how its frenzy recalls their best sequencers like EGG or Temptation, hence the "sequenced banjo"... I also found a name for those bells on Joe: the "ghost bells"... ;)

I really wish you could hear the bells, PM. I think it's a great way to start the album. Even SM himself refers to "clangy" sounds on this track (see the notes on the lyrics page).

I think "sequenced banjo" is quite descriptive, actually.

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Clangy sounds, yes... Clangy distant echoes, I can hear them, but I wouldn't have called them funeral bells becuase they aren't slow enough and they're all distorted and looped and buried under those huge sounds crashing on your speakers... Wait, if they're "buried" they must be "funeral bells", it's alright then... ;) What a crap comedian I am, I'll get me fookin coat and never try to be funny again, sorry everyone... :D

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Mick Aneworderfan wrote: Clangy sounds, yes... Clangy distant echoes, I can hear them, but I wouldn't have called them funeral bells becuase they aren't slow enough and they're all distorted and looped and buried under those huge sounds crashing on your speakers... Wait, if they're "buried" they must be "funeral bells", it's alright then... ;) What a crap comedian I am, I'll get me fookin coat and never try to be funny again, sorry everyone... :D

Have you participated in my poll on this subject, Parma Mick?

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Mick Aneworderfan wrote: Of course, now that's really funny :thumb:

Thanks for your participation, Mick, even if you did vote no twice.:)

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