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Moby Meets New Order By BERNARD SUMNER

This month the influential British pop band New Order will release "Waiting for the Siren's Call," its eighth studio album since it formed 25 years ago in Manchester, England. Speaking with Joel Topcik recently, the band's lead singer and guitarist, Bernard Sumner, discussed what he's listening to and why.

Tom Vek

Tom Vek is a new artist, very British, sort of Thomas Dolby meets the Rapture, angular but with some soul. His album "We Have Sound" (Tummy Touch) sounds quite homemade, but I think that adds to the charm. There's definitely an 80's ethic underpinning the sound; his voice reminds you of that era. It's about conveying the song and not worrying about whether you sound like a "proper" singer. "I Ain't Saying My Goodbyes" is a pounding little track. I can see it being huge - it definitely deserves to be.

The Chemical Brothers

I like anything by the Chemical Brothers, really. They make music in a very unusual way, not with chords and melodies but with soundscapes and pure noise. I did a track with them called "Out of Control" - they sent me the basic track to write a vocal on. Their new album, "Push the Button" (Astralwerks), just came out in January, and "Galvanize" is my favorite track. I remember going to see them in Manchester - it was a packed house - and I was thinking, how are two guys going to make an exciting show just basically twiddling knobs? But it was brilliant.

Charlotte Hatherly

I've known Charlotte as the very talented, very sultry, very sexy guitarist from Ash since we played a few songs with them during the "Get Ready" tour, but I'd never been aware of her solo songwriting abilities. She released her debut solo album, "Grey Will Fade" (Double Dragon), last autumn. The song "Bastardo" has been stuck in my head ever since I saw the video; it reminds me of all that's great about the acts she claims as her influences: XTC, Bowie, the Pixies, Blondie. The knee-jerk girls-with-guitars comparisons to P. J. Harvey, Elastica and the Breeders are understandable, but "Bastardo" shows a pithier set of production values and a killer hook.

The Doves

Rob Gretton, who was New Order's manager before he died several years ago, put the Doves on his label, Rob's Records. The guys in the Doves are very good friends of mine, and I admire them greatly. My favorite of their songs is "M62 Song" from their new album, "Some Cities" (Capitol), which just went to No. 1 here in the U.K. The M62 is a highway in Manchester, and the song's got a really beautiful melody that's almost - dare I say - it's almost Beatles-like.

Moby

He just recorded a version of New Order's song "Temptation" for his new album, "Hotel" (V2/BMG), which he sent us for approval. The original is an up-tempo, almost danceable track, but it's got a really emotive quality to the lyrics. (Don't ask me what they're about; it's been so long.) I think it's one of our best songs live, and I'd go so far as to say it's my favorite New Order track of all time. I'm really glad Moby did a version of it. He slowed the track down and stripped it to its basic elements, and I think it really works. It displays the words and the melody in all their wonderful nakedness.

Graham Coxon

I've been listening to "Freakin' Out," by Graham Coxon from Blur. He's doing his solo stuff, and this is from his new album, "Happiness in Magazines" (Astralwerks). It's got a real punky quality to it - punk energy without the shouting - and it has a fantastic guitar solo. It's also wonderfully catchy: you only need to hear it four times and you'll never forget it the rest of your life. It doesn't sound like Blur. It sounds like Graham. There's a quiet confidence in the performance.

Kano and the Streets

I don't listen to a lot of hip-hop, but every now and again something grabs me, works its way into my head. Kano's single "Typical Me" (679 Recordings) is gritty, grimmer you might say than a lot of what you hear, but I think that's part of the appeal. A lot of British rap tries to remove itself from wherever it came from. I like the fact that the Streets does U.K. rap that isn't trying to be like U.S. rap. His songs are these kitchen-sink dramas about day-to-day life events. They're not about, you know, being down in the 'hood; they're about going down to the video shop to hire a video and my girlfriend hadn't taken the video in so I owed $50 and on and on. In the same way, Kano sounds quite comfortable being a London boy. No shame in that.

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That man has excellent taste in music (apart from The Streets, Kano and Doves).

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:nuts: Doves are class!

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i happen to think Doves are great!

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Miss Disco wrote: That man has excellent taste in music (apart from The Streets, Kano and Doves).

I don't normally take issue with personal opinion (or try not to at the very least :D) but Doves are a truly excellent band who as far as I'm concerned have not released a duff song or album yet. Basically your taste is pretty ropey from your comment! :laugh: Lost Souls is a classic, The Last Broadcast is their most "commercially acceptable whilst still remaining extremely potent" album, and Some Cities took a while to dawn on me beyond "Black And White Town", but is obviously very well crafted too. Walk In Fire, Shadows of Salford and Snowden are never off my MP3 playlist these days. Other than that, Doves are simply nice guys who actually give a fuck about both their music AND their fans, which is extremely rare in this day and age. They deserve all the support they can get.

Mind you I've never been that fussed by The Streets, but I can see their appeal if I led a Chav lifestyle (Not being snobby but I don't live in a council block, wear a burberry NY cap and eat kebab for breakfast every morning as most of the guy's raps seem to portray) I've not really heard of Kano... Still, it's good to hear Barney has his finger on the pulse. Nice to know we share the same views on hip hop: shit genre but the occasional addictive record.

Ally.

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^^^ Agree with Ally - Doves are superb. Saw them open for New Order in Paris in 2002. They were fantastic live, and I became an instant fan.

Some Cities is a fantastic album. Looking forward to catching them at Coachella this year.:bow2:

You should check out the Doves' original incarnation Sub Sub's track "Past" - my favorite Sub Sub track. Works well on Nick Warren's Back to Mine and Faithless' Back to Mine as well.

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Hell yeah, I love Doves too!

And Mitsubishis!

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Someone needs to tell him that M62 Song isn't on Some Cities though.

And not to call them THE Doves...

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Think Bernard's passion for one kind of doves may have hindered his recollection of another kind. He stuck M62 song on Back To Mine, how could it appear on Some Cities?

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depthcharge wrote: Think Bernard's passion for one kind of doves may have hindered his recollection of another kind. He stuck M62 song on Back To Mine, how could it appear on Some Cities?

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You mean that DOVE moisturising cream handwash has somehow affected his memory?

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Either that or the aviary out back of his gaff.

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Old Blue wrote: Someone needs to tell him that M62 Song isn't on Some Cities though.

And not to call them THE Doves...

Are you reading Ness :evil4:

Saw Doves last Thursday with Ness and Greg, at the Brixton Academy. They are a quality live act. My night was made when I caught a drum stick thrown by the roadies into the crowd at the end of the gig - thought I was gonna get mobbed by folks trying to grab it but nah, just walked off with it. It now holds pride of place next to Denise Johnson's tambourine ;)

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Doves anecdote time. After the Paris New Order gig in 02, in which Doves had supported, we all went over the pub across the road from the venue after being backstage. All except Jim Reilly! Jim Reilly! who went for a piss at the wrong moment and got locked out of backstage. Anyway, when we went into the bar Jim Reilly! Jim Reilly! was hellbent on a few more beers and bending anyone who got near enough's ears. There were these three scruffy guys chilling out in the corner - we went over and they looked up as though they'd been recognised (needless to say, they were Doves), and Jimbo just picked up the spare seats and buggered off with them! How the mighty are crestfallen in an instant. Me? Determined to a) get and b) spend my setlist sweep winnings from ATR!

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Old Blue wrote: Someone needs to tell him that M62 Song isn't on Some Cities though.

And not to call them THE Doves...

The M62 ain't a "highway", neither...

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Johnny Giles wrote:

Old Blue wrote: Someone needs to tell him that M62 Song isn't on Some Cities though.

And not to call them THE Doves...

Are you reading Ness :evil4:

Saw Doves last Thursday with Ness and Greg, at the Brixton Academy. They are a quality live act. My night was made when I caught a drum stick thrown by the roadies into the crowd at the end of the gig - thought I was gonna get mobbed by folks trying to grab it but nah, just walked off with it. It now holds pride of place next to Denise Johnson's tambourine ;)

Nice one. I caught them on the opening date of the tour about a month and a half ago and they were blinding. Jimi looked a bit nervous but they pulled off a really good performance, and even dusted off "Darker" from the Sea Song EP. To my dismay, I wasn't all that familiar with the new material (the album only came out the day before the gig) but Snowden really stuck in my mind, the shrieky vocal intro was something pretty different. Highlights of that gig were probably NY or Cedar Room for me, Black And White Town got a great response. Andy Williams is a nutter behind the drumkit :thumb: Was disappointed they'd ditched Spaceface from the encore (we got Here It Comes) but I suppose they wanted to make room for new stuff in the set. Was a cracking tune when I saw them on The Last Broadcast tour, had the crowd going mental. Hope they come back up north soon.

As for M62 Song, I can't remember exactly but wasn't it losely based on a track by another band? "Moonshine" or something...

Ally.

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Moonshine by King Crimson. Fair play, they admit to having used 'elements' of it in the credits. Same with Hit The Ground Running that is a rework of Warren Zevon's Werewolves Of London.

I grinned from ear to ear when Darker started as well, Ally. But Jaggernath pisses all over Spaceface in the funky stakes. IMHO, of course... :D

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Old Blue wrote: Moonshine by King Crimson. Fair play, they admit to having used 'elements' of it in the credits. Same with Hit The Ground Running that is a rework of Warren Zevon's Werewolves Of London.

I grinned from ear to ear when Darker started as well, Ally. But Jaggernath pisses all over Spaceface in the funky stakes. IMHO, of course... :D

That's the one, King Crimson... As for the Spaceface vs. Jaggernath debate hmmmm I dunno :evil4: they're both quality tracks of course. Jaggernath to me sounds a bit like the Rocky theme tune but the wah wah guitar/funky bassline almost fighting with each other for dominance of sound is class. I'd love to hear both ideally, but Spaceface just edges out Jaggernath for me :thumb: My two other favourite Sub Sub tracks are "Inside of This" and "Southern Trees", but they're pretty unfeasable for Doves to do live I would imagine.

Ally.

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:nono: lets remember we are reading some one else's interpretation of the interview he might have been misquoted! or he could be on the slippery slope of old age.

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there is a error in the doves album the song m62 song is not from the new album it is from their last broadcast album

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Words, There Goes the Fear, Pounding, Caught by the River, Here it Comes, Zither, The Cedar Room, One of These Days, Someday Soon, The Last Broadcast (remixed version off Lost Sides) - Doves have a great sound. Reeeeeealy looking forward to seeing their gig in Seattle.:clap:

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