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Waiting for the Sirens’ Call and The Odyssey

NOTE TO REVIEWERS OF WFSTC: If any person planning to write a review of WFTSC for publication finds any of the following material sufficiently persuasive that he or she wishes to refer to this material in that review, it is requested that any such reference give appropriate credit to NewOrderOnLine.com rather than simply presenting this material as the product of the reviewer’s own mental labor. If uncredited use of this material is made, it can be anticipated that editors at the reviewer’s publication will be notified of the prior publication of this material at NewOrderOnLine.com. Reviewers should be aware that NewOrderOnLine.com has members all over the world, so that it can be expected that any uncredited use of this material will be brought to the attention of the moderators and members of NewOrderOnLine.com. Of course, any reviewer who presents ideas similar to the following but actually developed those ideas independently has no reason to be concerned.

Introduction

The title of New Order’s album Waiting for the Sirens’ Call contains an unmistakable allusion to the best-known incident in The Odyssey, when Odysseus (“O” from now on) has himself bound to his ship’s mast and puts wax in the ears of his men so that he can safely hear the song of the sirens, which, without these precautions, would have meant certain death for all.

More generally, WFTSC and The Odyssey are both filled with numerous wondrous journeys to exotic lands.

As has been discussed before, the parallels between WFTSC and The Odyssey do not stop there.

The following is an attempt to identify some of the additional parallels between these two illustrious works of world literature.

Track 1 (Who’s Joe):

Since this is the opening track of the album, it would be expected that this track would be important for any thematic interpretation of the album. That expectation is amply fulfilled.

a. The initial click.

Many listeners hear what sounds like a click at the beginning of track 1. Among those who hear this click, most probably consider it to be an unfortunate production error. An alternative interpretation has been proposed by the NewOrderOnLine.com member who calls himself BIGINOIL, also known as Big, who is responsible for many of the insights we will be discussing here. Big proposes that the click is intended, and has thematic meaning. He suggests various possible meanings for this click: a light being switched on, fingers being snapped, a twig snapping in a forest. A light being switched on or fingers being snapped would be conventional signifiers of a starting moment. A twig snapping in a forest is not such a conventional signifier of a beginning, but in light of the convention in ancient epic poems of beginning the story “in medias res,” in the middle of things, that view as well would be very apt.

b. The bell.

This track begins (0:15 to 0:45) with the sound of a bell. An initial possible interpretation was that this was a funeral bell, announcing the funeral of the hero, and I continue to believe this aspect is one element of the bell. However, it was at this point that Big stepped in and made the invaluable contribution of suggesting that this bell was in fact a ship’s bell. This was obviously an earthshaking insight and revelation on the part of Big, for which he is deserving of the warmest thanks and gratitude from us all. How could one dispute the proposition that a poem about voyaging would begin with a ship’s bell? Then H stepped in and suggested that the ship’s bell was summoning O and his men from on-shore carousing to the start of their long journeying. Likely correct, I’d say. In addition, of course, this bell summons all of the rest of us to the start of the journey all of us enjoy in listening to WFTSC.

c. Who IS Joe? And who is speaking to him on this track?

At least one review has noted a possible homoerotic aspect to this track, in light of the fact that the male singer addresses a male character with love and a caring, protective attitude. Although New Order’s many gay fans would undoubtedly be pleased with such an interpretation, it is probably not correct. The more genuinely gay moments on the album come on later tracks.

At the start of The Odyssey, O’s son Telemachus goes in search of his long-absent father. The most likely speaker on this track is thus Telemachus, addressing the father that he is searching for. Another possibility is that the speaker is Athena, O’s protector among the gods. If Athena is the speaker on this track, this would not be the first time that Bernard Sumner has adopted a female persona in a New Order track; the other obvious example is 1963.

Bernard Sumner has made the statement that Who’s Joe is about a tramp. O in fact repeatedly disguises himself as an aged beggar.

[Much more to come on Who’s Joe, including the sea-monster at the end.]

Track 2: [To come.]

Track 3: (Waiting for the Sirens’ Call)

This is the album’s title track, and is also considered by many to be one of the two most successful tracks on the album (along with track 10, Turn). Accordingly, one would expect this track to be particularly resonant to any thematic interpretation of the album.

“Gotta catch the midnight train”: Of course there are no railroad trains in The Odyssey, but the reference to a “midnight train” suggests dangerous and surreptitious journeys, of which there are many in The Odyssey.

“How many times must I lose my way”: Another one of Big’s many contributions is to identify this line as being important, a reference to the tasks or labors that are typically set for epic heroes to perform. This line is certainly descriptive of O’s lengthy wanderings.

Track 4 (Krafty):

“Looking at the stars from underneath a tree.” In the Nausicaa episode, O spends a night sleeping in a tree. Thus, one can imagine O “looking at the stars from underneath a tree” during this experience.

O is commonly referred to as “wily,” in other words “crafty” or “krafty.” The Trojan horse was his idea, for example.

Track 5 (I Told You So):

“It’s been ten long years since I’ve been home”: This line is one of the more strikingly clear allusions to The Odyssey on WFTSC. The reference is to the length of time O has been away from home.

“You conned me with your feline tricks”: A reference to Calypso and/or Circe.

Track 6 (Morning Night and Day):

Lotus-eaters. Details to follow.

Track 7 (Dracula's Castle):

Dracula’s Castle may be a reference to Cyclops’ cave. Cyclops is in fact a man-eater. He devours several of O’s comrades.

Track 8 (Jetstream):

It has been suggested that tracks 7 and 8, Jetstream and Guilt Is A Useless Emotion, represent the Scylla and Charibdis that a listener must get past in order to reach the reward of track 10, Turn. This suggestion was obviously presented by one of those listeners who does not care for the style of these two tracks.

Track 9 (Guilt Is A Useless Emotion): [To come]

Track 10 (Turn): [To come]

Track 11 (Working Overtime): [To come]

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Good stuff Patrick, this certainly beats synching up Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon with The Wizard Of Oz for me, and if it gets a person or two to re-read that classic story, then all the better for this effort. Wonder if there are any allusions to the Lotus-eaters to be spotted?

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as we can all see stopping taking your medication is a bad move

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Thats very good actually. Now would Bernard have purposely made such a connection with the Odyssey or is the connection accidental?

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I like to think that he's subconciously influenced by the the grand tradition of legend-writers. If Barney is really spending time sailing around on boats these days, that would explain a lot. You don't have to travel very far from the shore for your mind to begin to recall all the stories you know about sailing ships, sea monsters and the like. Not knowing how much he sails, what kind of boat he uses, where he goes etc, it's only speculation. Assuming it's a sail boat, and assuming he actually goes out to sea (a surprising number of people spend a lot of money on a boat and sit on it in the harbour) it's hard to see how it would not influence his music enormously. If he's ever seen waterskiing on Windemere, I'll happily retract that statement! Great work, Patrick. I look forward to the Lotus Eaters!

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Oh Patsy, you never cease to amaze...within the first few minutes, anyway. Keep going! You'll make it home someday!

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[darkgreen]Green[/darkgreen] wrote: Good stuff Patrick, this certainly beats synching up Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon with The Wizard Of Oz for me, and if it gets a person or two to re-read that classic story, then all the better for this effort. Wonder if there are any allusions to the Lotus-eaters to be spotted?

Thank you.

Lotus-eaters: Track 6; details to follow.

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BIGINOIL wrote: I like to think that he's subconciously influenced by the the grand tradition of legend-writers. If Barney is really spending time sailing around on boats these days, that would explain a lot. You don't have to travel very far from the shore for your mind to begin to recall all the stories you know about sailing ships, sea monsters and the like. Not knowing how much he sails, what kind of boat he uses, where he goes etc, it's only speculation. Assuming it's a sail boat, and assuming he actually goes out to sea (a surprising number of people spend a lot of money on a boat and sit on it in the harbour) it's hard to see how it would not influence his music enormously. If he's ever seen waterskiing on Windemere, I'll happily retract that statement! Great work, Patrick. I look forward to the Lotus Eaters!

Thanks again, Big.

As noted in the text, your contributions to this project have been a central part of any success it may achieve.

It's hard to see how your speculation about the influence of Barney's sailing could possibly be wrong. It's specifically cited in reference to ITYS, and I'm sure the influence must be more pervasive. I will try to work this point into a subsequent revision.

I hope to have a revised and expanded version up some time today.

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Thanks to Wasimple and His Holiness as well.

I need to start typing up revisions.

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BIGINOIL wrote: I like to think that he's subconciously influenced by the the grand tradition of legend-writers.

Interesting! I posted this in another thread too, but I thought I would post it again here. My friend has a very interesting interpretation of TPK as a re-telling of Romeo & Juliet. I can't remember ow it all went and I haven't read that play in years, but does that sound plausible to any of you?

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Conduct wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: I like to think that he's subconciously influenced by the the grand tradition of legend-writers.

Interesting! I posted this in another thread too, but I thought I would post it again here. My friend has a very interesting interpretation of TPK as a re-telling of Romeo & Juliet. I can't remember ow it all went and I haven't read that play in years, but does that sound plausible to any of you?

Since you are repeating yourself, C, I will follow your example.

"The perfect kiss is the kiss of death."

I think that says it all.

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This is all good stuff, but you know, you really should't examine Barney's lyrics too closely. I can't believe they a theme album. Heck I can't believe they actually themed the cover pics of the singles to match the song content.

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I'm not sure if any of you watched NO's appearance on VH1 Classic that aired in the US last month, but here's a transcript of the first couple of minutes. It pertains to this topic:

Amy Scott: "Now 'Waiting for the Sirens' Call' is an obvious reference to a classic piece of literature, and if you out there are anything like me, you didn't pay attention at all in high school literature class. But it's Homer's Odyssey right?"

Barney: "Yeah, that's right."

Amy Scott: "Can you tell us the story and tell us how it pertains to New Order?"

Barney: "I've never read the story."

Amy Scott: "You haven't?"

Barney: "Never. I'm just trying to make myself look more intelligent than I actually am."

Steven: "Homer's Odyssey."

Barney: "Homer's Odyssey?"

Steven: "Homer's Odyssey, yes. Good book, good book. A bit long, didn't like the ending."

Amy Scott: "Aww."

Hooky: "Was it sad?"

Amy Scott: "But the Sirens' song is like a..."

Barney: "The Sirens' song, ahh, I didn't read the book but I know what it's about. Sirens were kind of, em, evil women who lured sailors onto the rocks. And, um, it's not misogynistic or anything, the song. The song really... the album title came from the song title, and the song title came from one of the lyrics in the song... I'm not gonna tell you what the song's about."

:read:

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charles wrote: I'm not sure if any of you watched NO's appearance on VH1 Classic that aired in the US last month, but here's a transcript of the first couple of minutes. It pertains to this topic:

Amy Scott: "Now 'Waiting for the Sirens' Call' is an obvious reference to a classic piece of literature, and if you out there are anything like me, you didn't pay attention at all in high school literature class. But it's Homer's Odyssey right?"

Barney: "Yeah, that's right."

Amy Scott: "Can you tell us the story and tell us how it pertains to New Order?"

Barney: "I've never read the story."

Amy Scott: "You haven't?"

Barney: "Never. I'm just trying to make myself look more intelligent than I actually am."

Steven: "Homer's Odyssey."

Barney: "Homer's Odyssey?"

Steven: "Homer's Odyssey, yes. Good book, good book. A bit long, didn't like the ending."

Amy Scott: "Aww."

Hooky: "Was it sad?"

Amy Scott: "But the Sirens' song is like a..."

Barney: "The Sirens' song, ahh, I didn't read the book but I know what it's about. Sirens were kind of, em, evil women who lured sailors onto the rocks. And, um, it's not misogynistic or anything, the song. The song really... the album title came from the song title, and the song title came from one of the lyrics in the song... I'm not gonna tell you what the song's about."

:read:

So its not about the Simpsons then? :D

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"I always wanted to be tied to the mast." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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charles wrote: I'm not sure if any of you watched NO's appearance on VH1 Classic that aired in the US last month, but here's a transcript of the first couple of minutes. It pertains to this topic:

Amy Scott: "Now 'Waiting for the Sirens' Call' is an obvious reference to a classic piece of literature, and if you out there are anything like me, you didn't pay attention at all in high school literature class. But it's Homer's Odyssey right?"

Barney: "Yeah, that's right."

Amy Scott: "Can you tell us the story and tell us how it pertains to New Order?"

Barney: "I've never read the story."

Amy Scott: "You haven't?"

Barney: "Never. I'm just trying to make myself look more intelligent than I actually am."

Steven: "Homer's Odyssey."

Barney: "Homer's Odyssey?"

Steven: "Homer's Odyssey, yes. Good book, good book. A bit long, didn't like the ending."

Amy Scott: "Aww."

Hooky: "Was it sad?"

Amy Scott: "But the Sirens' song is like a..."

Barney: "The Sirens' song, ahh, I didn't read the book but I know what it's about. Sirens were kind of, em, evil women who lured sailors onto the rocks. And, um, it's not misogynistic or anything, the song. The song really... the album title came from the song title, and the song title came from one of the lyrics in the song... I'm not gonna tell you what the song's about."

:read:

Thanks very much to Charles for providing this evidence confirming that I am not entirely deluded.:thumb: :clap: :D

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It doesn't specifically state that P, but yes, a startlingly exciting confirmation that the band indeed agree with every aspect of The Concept.

One wonders whether they deserve a bound copy, guilt edged with a golden seal.

:hat:

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Huntsman wrote: It doesn't specifically state that P, but yes, a startlingly exciting confirmation that the band indeed agree with every aspect of The Concept.

One wonder whether they deserve a bound copy, guilt edged with a golden seal.

:hat:

H, I think that's a very generous offer you've made. Once it's finished, where shall I send the manuscript to be bound?

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Hmmmm, I wonder what the commercial scope would be.

Perhaps we could suggest an Amazon 'click-through' advertising campaign to Sprinkler, with a picture of the final product upside down to excite the potential consumers.

:hat:

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Huntsman wrote: Hmmmm, I wonder what the commercial scope would be.

Perhaps we could suggest an Amazon 'click-through' advertising campaign to Sprinkler, with a picture of the final product upside down to excite the potential consumers.

:hat:

I'm a bit hurt that you would suggest the final product might be more exciting upside down than rightside up, H.

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Patrick wrote:

charles wrote:

Amy Scott: "Can you tell us the story and tell us how it pertains to New Order?"

Barney: "I've never read the story."

:read:

Thanks very much to Charles for providing this evidence confirming that I am not entirely deluded.:thumb: :clap: :D

Interesting take on events you have there, Pats. Some may consider that a development like the actual lyricist of WFTSC having never read the work in question may sink your theory like a ship's bell to Poseidon's front door.

My "Packet of Crisps" theory about Barney's lyrics may be close to the mark yet?

:\pimp3:

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depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

charles wrote:

Amy Scott: "Can you tell us the story and tell us how it pertains to New Order?"

Barney: "I've never read the story."

:read:

Thanks very much to Charles for providing this evidence confirming that I am not entirely deluded.:thumb: :clap: :D

Interesting take on events you have there, Pats. Some may consider that a development like the actual lyricist of WFTSC having never read the work in question may sink your theory like a ship's bell to Poseidon's front door.

My "Packet of Crisps" theory about Barney's lyrics may be close to the mark yet?

:\pimp3:

Surely you understand that's just a pose, DC?

These music people have to pretend to be illiterate in order to avoid hurting their street cred.

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Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote: Hmmmm, I wonder what the commercial scope would be.

Perhaps we could suggest an Amazon 'click-through' advertising campaign to Sprinkler, with a picture of the final product upside down to excite the potential consumers.

:hat:

I'm a bit hurt that you would suggest the final product might be more exciting upside down than rightside up, H.

You'd be in austere company Pastry, I was actually referring to the many NO albums that filter through the ads. on this site not entirely at the right angle!

On one occasion, there was a double-album offer, both of which were flipped to humility.

:hat:

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And the occasional unrelated item that happens to have "new order" in the title.

Sorry I misunderstood you, H.

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charles wrote: Amy Scott: "Now 'Waiting for the Sirens' Call' is an obvious reference to a classic piece of literature, and if you out there are anything like me, you didn't pay attention at all in high school literature class. But it's Homer's Odyssey right?"

Barney: "Yeah, that's right." :read:

Patrick wrote: NOTE TO REVIEWERS OF WFSTC: If any person planning to write a review of WFTSC for publication finds any of the following material sufficiently persuasive that he or she wishes to refer to this material in that review, it is requested that any such reference give appropriate credit to NewOrderOnLine.com rather than simply presenting this material as the product of the reviewer’s own mental labor. If uncredited use of this material is made, it can be anticipated that editors at the reviewer’s publication will be notified of the prior publication of this material at NewOrderOnLine.com. Reviewers should be aware that NewOrderOnLine.com has members all over the world, so that it can be expected that any uncredited use of this material will be brought to the attention of the moderators and members of NewOrderOnLine.com. Of course, any reviewer who presents ideas similar to the following but actually developed those ideas independently has no reason to be concerned.

Our legal team are studying the above two passages VERY carefully.

Clearly, one or both of the participants in this interview have been grazing this site.

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How did you manage to quote two different posts at once, B?

I thought that was not only impossible, but illegal as well?

You could get in very serious trouble, young man, if you continue down this road.

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I am confused as to why you would enquire how to do something that you claim to be so opposed to, Patrick. Perhaps you are planning an act of rebellion yourself, and wish to find ways to subvert the system.

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He' a witch.

:hat:

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I find the ways of darkness mysteriously appealing.

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Huntsman wrote: He' a witch.

:hat:

Patrick wrote: I find the ways of darkness mysteriously appealing.

BIGINOIL wrote:

Have you any evidence for this claim? If not, we must throw him at once into the NOOL village pond. If he floats, we will burn him.

Hello what is happening here then?:D

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