Is Barney Illiterate or has a overgrown Ego?

So Barney forgot the french for "hello, we're new order", he can't remember the songs he's been singing for the last 28 years without a prompt. His heads fucked, just let him continue making great songs while he still can.

bLuE oRdEr wrote: a) It's pretty clear by now that the band does check in here; and

b) It hardly seems consistent with their personalities that they'd be so anal as to be offended by the disourse here.

you missed my point entirely... i guess i need to put smilies in my posts for you slower folks....

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Nic, I love your new sig... I love that vinyl!!! I remember reading that the first time and KNOWING the new order were the hippest band in the universe....

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here are some smilies for the slower folks... you can cut and paste these into any of my future posts that you get all wound up about!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

I'm being hypnotized by smilies.

Help!

;)

Tarbox23 wrote:

here are some smilies for the slower folks... you can cut and paste these into any of my future posts that you get all wound up about!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Acid house was 1989 sir...... ;)

Tarbox23 wrote:

bLuE oRdEr wrote: a) It's pretty clear by now that the band does check in here; and

b) It hardly seems consistent with their personalities that they'd be so anal as to be offended by the disourse here.

you missed my point entirely... i guess i need to put smilies in my posts for you slower folks....

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Nic, I love your new sig... I love that vinyl!!! I remember reading that the first time and KNOWING the new order were the hippest band in the universe....

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here are some smilies for the slower folks... you can cut and paste these into any of my future posts that you get all wound up about!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Backpedaling on the sarcasm in your previous post? Or is my sarcasm detector malfunctioning?

Now i know its Barney being French-illiterate.

Richard Latanville wrote: According to Barney: There is an "I" in New order.

Actually, Barney is facetiously commenting on the postmodern nature of New Order by saying that, contrary to post-structuralist thought, the "I" (i.e., the logos of Platonic metaphysics) is reasserted in New Order's personal aesthetic. His religious background apparent in many lyrics should point to the very modern problem involved in trying to shape a stable identity in a postmodern world in which traditional Christian beliefs can no longer shore up the "quiditas" (as described by Thomas Aquinas) that would help to define the essential nature of one's soul in theological terms. In that case, since Plato's concept of the logos directly corresponds with Freud's concept of the ego, Barney is in fact reasserting the supposed importance of a more traditional view of metaphysical identity in a way that seems to be the result of a merely "overgrown ego."

There's some "mesmerizing discourse" for you, you knob-end.

His (New Young) Holiness, The Pope wrote:

Richard Latanville wrote: According to Barney: There is an "I" in New order.

Actually, Barney is facetiously commenting on the postmodern nature of New Order by saying that, contrary to post-structuralist thought, the "I" (i.e., the logos of Platonic metaphysics) is reasserted in New Order's personal aesthetic. His religious background apparent in many lyrics should point to the very modern problem involved in trying to shape a stable identity in a postmodern world in which traditional Christian beliefs can no longer shore up the "quiditas" (as described by Thomas Aquinas) that would help to define the essential nature of one's soul in theological terms. In that case, since Plato's concept of the logos directly corresponds with Freud's concept of the ego, Barney is in fact reasserting the supposed importance of a more traditional view of metaphysical identity in a way that seems to be the result of a merely "overgrown ego."

There's some "mesmerizing discourse" for you, you knob-end.

Tanks you for killing us with that dull, boring history. Now I have a cure for insomnia

Sorry, you weren't the knob-end I was referring to. More like Tarbox, the unhumored.

His (New Young) Holiness, The Pope wrote: Sorry, you weren't the knob-end I was referring to. More like Tarbox, the unhumored.

you quoted me so I thought.....

His (New Young) Holiness, The Pope wrote: Sorry, you weren't the knob-end I was referring to. More like Tarbox, the unhumored.

You should put some smiles on that, so the "slower folks"** don't misunderstand you. :)

** Not referring to you, Msr. Latanville. ;)

Richard Latanville wrote:

His (New Young) Holiness, The Pope wrote: Sorry, you weren't the knob-end I was referring to. More like Tarbox, the unhumored.

you quoted me so I thought.....

Yeah, I started by just responding to your original post before extending it to declaring Tarbox a knob-end. Should've quoted both posts in question. No harm intended, Richard...you're in my good book.

His (New Young) Holiness, The Pope wrote:

Richard Latanville wrote: According to Barney: There is an "I" in New order.

Actually, Barney is facetiously commenting on the postmodern nature of New Order by saying that, contrary to post-structuralist thought, the "I" (i.e., the logos of Platonic metaphysics) is reasserted in New Order's personal aesthetic. His religious background apparent in many lyrics should point to the very modern problem involved in trying to shape a stable identity in a postmodern world in which traditional Christian beliefs can no longer shore up the "quiditas" (as described by Thomas Aquinas) that would help to define the essential nature of one's soul in theological terms. In that case, since Plato's concept of the logos directly corresponds with Freud's concept of the ego, Barney is in fact reasserting the supposed importance of a more traditional view of metaphysical identity in a way that seems to be the result of a merely "overgrown ego."

There's some "mesmerizing discourse" for you, you knob-end.

Leave the pretentious English major diction for your papers. There is no argument here: Barney just doesn't know French.

Not sure what it is with Bernard. Very unpredictable character, who is the real Bernard? the quiet private man or the guy who shouts out loud whooping at everything? perhaps he's changed as he's got older, but who really knows, it could be all an act for all you know. We really do not know, but he's quite intriquing when you come to think of it, some really emotional stuff going on in his lyrics from the past.

To follow-up to His Holiness' brief discourse:

From a metaphysical persepctive, doesn't it raise the question of where does the identity of Bernard end and where does the identity of New Order begin, and whether you can separate the two identities completely?

Would New Order, qua New Order, exist if Bernard did not exist, or if he was no longer in the band?

And if, assuming Bernard's absence, New Order would not exist, then does that not mean that there is some truth to his statement "this is I, New Order", or "Hello, I'm New Order"?

Can there be three in one and one in three? Have we resurrected the Arian heresy....or could it be that Bernard simply was slack in his French lessons?

ericpear wrote: To follow-up to His Holiness' brief discourse:

From a metaphysical persepctive, doesn't it raise the question of where does the identity of Bernard end and where does the identity of New Order begin, and whether you can separate the two identities completely?

Would New Order, qua New Order, exist if Bernard did not exist, or if he was no longer in the band?

And if, assuming Bernard's absence, New Order would not exist, then does that not mean that there is some truth to his statement "this is I, New Order", or "Hello, I'm New Order"?

Can there be three in one and one in three? Have we resurrected the Arian heresy....or could it be that Bernard simply was slack in his French lessons?

Well, ignoring the obvious French flub...New Order would not exist without Barney, either now or when the band first began as New Order proper. After JD, Barney's reluctant shift to vocalist makes him a logical touchstone for journalists who are obsessed with the idea of a lead singer as frontman/guiding force of the band. True, Barney has always been behind many of JD/NO's instrumentation, but it was never without Hooky and Steve at least. There was a reason why they didn't get individual credits in the sleeves.

Without any one of the individual members, New Order would not be New Order. New Order is a gestalt. If you don't know what that means, it's okay but you should probably read more.

I suppose if its the kind of thing you are gonna say - you should check it before saying it -

1. he's made himself look stupid
2. he's belittled the other members of the band (as if they care)
3. he's insulted the French audience To sum-up, since he can't remember two lines in any of the songs he sings, he was a bit foolish to try and remember his french learnings from 35 years ago. Ah well, no ones perfect and I guess that is one of the attractions of New Order...

I think he is a person who, although he cares for the lyrics, CAN possibly forget a line, and that would be embarrassing, and that´s why he uses the autocue.

Very good of him.

From a french native speaker, I confirm (merci à la traduction québéquoise;))Barney is french illitarate...despite his attempts to speak a few words in french wiich is appeciated from the Paris audience.

I remember a previous gig in 2002 at the Olympia, Paris when Barney introduced the whole band with these words: "Bonjour, je m'appelle Bernard; bonjour, je m'appelle Peter, bonjour je m'appelle Stephen" .Translation: " hello, my name is Bernard; hello, my name is Peter; hello, my name is Stephen".

By the way, could you imagine each member introducing himself "Hi, my name is.."?

So, as a conclusion, it's a question of french non-knowing, of a few white wine glasses before the show, and of a bit of Barney's "personal personality", especially on stage.

If I remember my french lessons correctly. wasnt Barney supposed to say "Bonjour, nous appelles new order (nous vous adorez)? From Barney that would be a first.

Richard Latanville wrote: If I remember my french lessons correctly. wasnt Barney supposed to say "Bonjour, nous appelles new order (nous vous adorez)? From Barney that would be a first.

I think it's "nous nous appellons New Order."

NEW ORDER have remained united for over two decades because all band members have learned to obey frontman BERNARD SUMNER and follow his lead. The Manchester, England, dance pioneers have been scoring chart success since forming New Order in 1980, and have managed to stay strong in the face of the crises they've encountered over the years - which would have torn most groups apart. However, bassist PETER HOOK is convinced New Order have enjoyed a long and fruitful career because they're happy to bow down to Sumner's domineering leadership. Explaining what has kept them together, Hook says, "A wry sense of humour, patience, and doing what Bernard says. "It is democracy, as long as you do what he says. He is a very strange character, because he is sort of insecure. Even if he gets something great, he'll still try everything else."

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/new%20order%20follow%20the%20leader

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