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This is absolutely the most harsh review of WFTSC

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The musical ingredients are practically identical to any great New Order album, but Waiting for the Siren’s Call is as tepid as tap water. New Order’s hybrid of overtly danceable electronics overlayed by organic instrumentation has been its call to arms since it sprang from Joy Division’s melodramatic ashes in 1980. At first Bernard Sumner’s ridiculously trite lyrics seemed charmingly antithetical to Ian Curtis’ caustic poetry, but over time the irony has faded. Now Sumner’s absurdist couplets sound cringe-worthy, desperate, and lame.

New Order’s last great album was in 1989. Technique pushed the band into its most sophisticated level of electronic experimentation, retaining a menacing sense of melody and a stupendous pop sensibility. Everything since should have been left in the vault, particularly 1993’s insultingly dismal Republic. Almost a decade later, Get Ready tried to recapture the band’s rock aesthetic, but it merely made the band sound out of touch and irrelevant (I cite “Rock the Shack” as superior evidence). And so Waiting for the Sirens’ Call can do little other than pour salt in the wounds of New Order fans the world over.

There used to be a sense of danger surrounding the band. Ian Curtis’ ghost lurked in every crevice and watching New Order develop over the years was almost like peering into someone’s private journal- you half expected someone to overdose or commit suicide mid-song. That sense of urgency ended with the 1980’s, and no driving Peter Hook bass line can ever bring it back. I must admit, though, that watching the band perform “Love Will Tear Us Apart” recently on Jimmy Kimmel affected me more than I could have anticipated. Objectively, it was a cheesy rendition, replete with Sumner’s inexplicable crowd-pumping outbursts, but the sentimentality of witnessing members of Joy Division play that song made my hairs stand on end.

Nostalgia aside, New Order is done. It’s a lumbering dinosaur. Sumner’s breezy choruses can still tap into that esoteric sense of frustration and alienation that all great New Order songs conjure, but it’s half-baked, watered down, whatever you want to call it. I am numb to it. For the life of me I cannot fathom how people can claim this album is any sort of return to form. That’s just revisionist history. No song on this album pushes the band forward. It’s all New Order by the numbers. Gillian Gilbert has been replaced with a guitar tech. Peter Hook is fat. And Bernard Sumner still can’t really sing, but it sounds pitiful as opposed to condescendingly amusing.

By: Eric Greenwood

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Opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone's got one.

In this case the reviewer is one.

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Did somebody mention ashes?

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Salt in the wounds?

Has he even bothered to read what the fans are saying?

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"Peter Hook is Fat."

After that, any legitimacy this review had went out the window. Even if it's true that he's a bit dumpy these days.;)

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And here's me thinking Hooky looks great. Shows what I know.

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Jahn wrote: "Peter Hook is Fat."

After that, any legitimacy this review had went out the window. Even if it's true that he's a bit dumpy these days.;)

Peter Hook is phat.

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who cares about reviews, decide for yourself if you like it or not.

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All this from a guy who praises "The Streets" as having "boyish charm." :rolleyes:

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Kerry Harris wrote: Opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone's got one.

And they're all full of shit.

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i thought Technique was shite. of all the albums that's the one i hate the most *LOL*

i have a love hate relationship with the dance music stuff as opposed to the more rock stuff...

i stopped listening to new order in 1994 amid all those rumours of breaking up...i thought for sure they were done for.

this album only proves to me that at almost 50 years of age the three original members are putting out better music then the crap us Americans have to endure.

WFTSC has sucked me back into the new order...i hope they keep it going even as old fat farts

=)

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edwin portillo wrote: i thought Technique was shite. of all the albums that's the one i hate the most *LOL*

i have a love hate relationship with the dance music stuff as opposed to the more rock stuff...

i stopped listening to new order in 1994 amid all those rumours of breaking up...i thought for sure they were done for.

this album only proves to me that at almost 50 years of age the three original members are putting out better music then the crap us Americans have to endure.

WFTSC has sucked me back into the new order...i hope they keep it going even as old fat farts

=)

Technique is "shite"? Good lord. Truly anyone can have any opinion can't they? For me Technique stands mountains above the rest of their albums (though I more or less like or love every album released in the eighties, save "Movement".

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edwin portillo wrote: i thought Technique was shite. of all the albums that's the one i hate the most *LOL*

i have a love hate relationship with the dance music stuff as opposed to the more rock stuff...

i stopped listening to new order in 1994 amid all those rumours of breaking up...i thought for sure they were done for.

this album only proves to me that at almost 50 years of age the three original members are putting out better music then the crap us Americans have to endure.

WFTSC has sucked me back into the new order...i hope they keep it going even as old fat farts

=)

edwin I'm with you on this! NO went down in my books from absolutely the most fantastic band ever to just quite fantastic after 'Confusion' (which I still think is the worst thing they have ever done). With WFTSC they are edging back up to bloody marvellous...favourites being title track, Turn, Morning Night and Day, Hey Now, I told You So...Jetstream is too lightweight for me and I don't like the Krafty lyrics.

Best thing for me about NO has always been Barney's voice. OK not great in terms of range etc but so distinctive and so sweet - and despite pushing fifty and after years of crazy substance abuse WFTSC proves he's still got it! :music: :love:

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Pavarotti is fat.

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Bloody hell. The album's not that bad!! Admitted it's no Technique.I hold that album's stature because it's the last LP they did which still stood by the industrial techno which come to signify a lot of the material which came out of Factory Records in the early 80's. But there's some great songs on WFTSC.The only letdown are Hey Joe, Hey Now,and Turn,but only because of New Order's own benchmark. As for the comments about Sumner,it's no secret,that's always been part of his charm,and Hooky FAT? Like his bass,he wears it well!! Get down to Star & Garter,Fairfield St.,Manchester on Friday May 13th and hear their material back to back,then see how the new stuff holds up to the old!

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OK OK...maybe i just didn't like Fine Time haha "shite" maybe is a harsh description becasue i know all the lyrics to Round and Round and Run.

i think the reason i didn't favor Technique at the time was because i had Public Enemy in one ear and in the other ear i was blazing to Bad Brains...

somewhere i missed the whole E and acid dropping party rave scene of Los Angeles that dance music seemed to fuel...

i'm listening to the BBC TX interview and didn't even realize that New Order was into the whole Ibiza scene...1989 was just a crazy time for me growing up in LA.

better to use the word shite to describe how i almost shite my pants when they played She's Lost Control in Oakland...i think i had tears in my eyes and felt a lump in my throat.

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that guy is a poor lame idiot. but, (and i don't want to offend anybody in here) what can you expect from an U.S. critic?? have you take a look at their Top 40?!?!?! have any of you take a look at the values they stand up over American Idol?!?!?!?!?!?

Those guys can't teach me anything about music.

The remarks about Bernard "who can't sing"....hahahaha....wow.... Is really pathetic. Obviously, to a guy like that, Mariah, Whitney or another dumb bimbo screamer are fantastic singers....

Go listen some rapper, man.... those guys sure knows about melody and are great singers....

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Filmstardust wrote:

but, (and i don't want to offend anybody in here) what can you expect from an U.S. critic?? have you take a look at their Top 40?!?!?! have any of you take a look at the values they stand up over American Idol?!?!?!?!?!?

:nonono:

I'm offended.

Plenty of U.S. critics for major publications have praised WFTSC. One guy from a site I've never heard of trashes the record, and this is the reaction? "What do you expect from a U.S. critic?"

Have you looked at Argentina's Top 40? Eminem and Britney Spears? Gwen Stefani and Maroon 5? I don't see New Order on there.

I don't get the point. Well, yes I do...but I'll save that discussion. I never thought I'd write a post in defense of rock critics either, but here we are.

And I've never seen American Idol.

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American Idol is the end of music. I'm not being melodramatic. It punishes any kind of creativity or individuality, and rewards homogenous, "soulful" (soulless, emotionless) geeky, technically proficient over-the-top r&b wailing as the height of artistic expression and I have NO F(*&%*&ING CLUE how people can watch it.

THis review and the one someone else posted on Stylus are the harshest reviews and, honestly, they're both really shit reviews. They both argue that it doesn't compare with the drama and intensity and mystery that followed the band like a cloud through the 80s. Well guess what? It's totally irrelevent. They're confusing the charisma and personalities of the band with the quality of the ACTUAL music. Plus, he is the 500th journo to say 'rose from the ashes' which makes him a parroting, useless twat of a writer. I hope he reads this post so he realises what a shitbag he is and how he is wasting his life writing reviews for some website nobody's heard of.

Could I be any more bitter? YES I CAN. I've quit smoking and have reached the three month mark so just TRY ME MOTHERFUCKER!!

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Well put. Good luck w/ breaking the habit. I know it's not easy.

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This guy has obviously not heard Atmosphere or LWTUA live and never felt that lump in his pretentious throat.

Tosser.

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obviously this person has issues. Or must listen to Pop fads like a little girl.

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IT's harsh and it's accurate. To all the NO kool aid drinkers...I'm happy for you.

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What the hell does this idiot mean by "Peter Hook is fat"!?!?!?!?!?! Does this mean that a fat man can't be an artist, you cunt!?!?!

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Landon Bradley wrote:

Could I be any more bitter? YES I CAN. I've quit smoking and have reached the three month mark so just TRY ME MOTHERFUCKER!!

I haven't had a drink since February...so BRING...IT...ON, BITCH!

:wink:

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Gnu Odor wrote: I'm offended.

Plenty of U.S. critics for major publications have praised WFTSC. One guy from a site I've never heard of trashes the record, and this is the reaction? "What do you expect from a U.S. critic?"

Have you looked at Argentina's Top 40? Eminem and Britney Spears? Gwen Stefani and Maroon 5? I don't see New Order on there.

I don't get the point. Well, yes I do...but I'll save that discussion. I never thought I'd write a post in defense of rock critics either, but here we are.

And I've never seen American Idol.

First of all, i don't want to start an argue with you. There's no point in fighting between us, fans. But i stand on every word that i said. Unfortunately, in the U.S. music is not what it used to be. And now that you mention, of course, in Argentina is even worst... That is a fact.

What is happening in the U.S.?? i don't know. But i remember there was a time where people consumed pop, british bands, dance acts, as well as rock. But now is all being left behind for rap, rap, and gangsta rap...and more rap..... which all sound the same musically to me. So most critics want to be seen by the public as "cool" guys who "understand" this new generation.

Here in Argentina, it sucks ten times more than in your country. Here, in the 80's, they all loved british bands, U.S. bands.... but now, most of the people listen to latin music, or local "rock" bands....or cumbia, which is the worst thing a man could hear in his life. so they suck too here, don't worry.

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What does "esoteric" mean?

:D

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ShugZV© wrote: What does "esoteric" mean?

:D

Can't tell you, it's a secret. :nod:

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here's to a reviewer -------> :finger:

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when I review, and I dont like the album, I try not to spew out and offend people who likes it.

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Seen the reviewer's name?

Greenwood is "Boisvert" in French :evil4:

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