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So, time has past... how to you now rank WFTSC tracks?

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... in other words, make your top 11!

Here is mine:

01 - Waiting For The Sirens' Call 02 - Krafty 03 - Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 04 - Who's Joe? 05 - Turn 06 - Jetstream 07 - Dracula's Castle 08 - Working Overtime 09 - Hey Now What You Doing 10 - Morning Night and Day 11 - I Told You So

Seems like right to me... oh well, of course many people won't agree with my top 10, but the thing is, any song between 7 and 11, you could place at random.

Jetstream has, maybe unfortunatly, been a grower..

And there isn't one single track I don't like, and that is after 3 months of intensive listening!

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  1. Turn
  2. Hey now what you doing
  3. Dracula's Castle
  4. Working Overtime
  5. Waiting for the Sirens' call
  6. Who's Joe?
  7. Morning, night and day
  8. Krafty
  9. Jetstream
  10. Guilt is a useless emotion
  11. I told you so
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1-Who's Joe? 2-WFTSC 3-Krafty 4-crap 5-crap 6-crap 7-crap 8-crap 9-crap 10-crap 11-crap 12-crap 13-crap

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So, the brazillian edition has 2 bonus crap? :evil4:

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WFTSC Hey Now What You Doing Turn Guilt Who's Joe Krafty I Told You So Working Overtime J E T Dracula's Castle MN&D

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  1. WFTSC
  2. Turn
  3. I Told You So
  4. Krafty
  5. Dracula's Castle
  6. Morning, Night, and Day
  7. Jetstream
  8. Hey Now
  9. Working Overtime
  10. Guilt Is a Useless Emotion
  11. Who's Joe
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01 - Waiting For The Sirens' Call 02 - Turn 03 - Krafty 04 - Morning Night and Day 05 - Who's Joe? 06 - Dracula's Castle 07 - Hey Now What You Doing 08 - I Told You So 09 - Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 10 - Working Overtime 11 - Jetstream

(4-7 are more or less equal)

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Spotnick wrote: So, the brazillian edition has 2 bonus crap? :evil4:

"choro de criança" and Guilt remix :evil4:

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  1. Turn
  2. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Mac Quayle)
  3. WFTSC
  4. Krafty
  5. Morning, Night and Day
  6. Hey Now What You Doing
  7. Jetsteam
  8. Who's Joe
  9. Dracula's Castle
  10. I Told You So
  11. Working Overtime - Probably my least fave NO song ever.

I didn't rank the normal version of GIAUE, no need to rank the same song twice, I like both versions.

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  1. Dracula´s castle
  2. Turn
  3. Hey now what you doing
  4. Guilt is a useless emotion
  5. Waiting for the sirens´ call
  6. Working overtime
  7. Jetstream
  8. I told you so
  9. Morning night and day
  10. Who´s Joe
  11. Krafty
  • I think Jetstream is a good song but the voices are too low
  • I tend to skip Krafty
  • I tend to skip Who´s Joe because I want to start with Hey now. I don´t like the guitarbreak in Who´s Joe (four times the same thing)
  • Waiting for the sirens´ call is sometimes boring
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01 I Told You So 02 Waiting For The Sirens' Call 03 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 04 Turn 05 Krafty 06 Jetstream 07 Morning Night And Day 08 Hey Now What You Doing 09 Who's Joe? 10 Dracula's Castle 11 Working Overtime

BTW Nic, why don't I get any messages from the subscribed threads?

Anyway I'm glad some of you like I Told You So, it does require patience, but if you're a longtime New Order fan you can't fail to notice it's the only song on the album which recalls the ambitious inventiveness of the electro New Order... huge dub rhythm, sequenced banjos, melancholic keyboards, noises... and hey, is it Power Corruption And Lies again or what? :thumb:

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  1. Turn
  2. Dracula's Castle
  3. Waiting For The Sirens' Call
  4. Krafty
  5. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion
  6. Who's Joe?
  7. Hey Now What You Doing
  8. I Told You So
  9. Morning Night and Day 10)Working Overtime 11)Jetstream

Still keeps changing, especially the top three. The biggest movers for me, overall, have been 'Krafty' and 'Morning Night and Day'. The latter was one of the tracks I instantly loved when I first got the album, but i'm a bit bored of it now. Krafty, on the other hand is still growing on me. I'm looking at the above list now and can't believe I've placed 'Hey Now What You Doing' at 7 (I really love this song), but I rate the others even higher at the moment. Testimony to how strong this album is for me :)

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  1. Who's Joe
  2. Turn
  3. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion
  4. Morning Night And Day
  5. Waiting For The Sirens' Call
  6. Hey Now What You Doing
  7. Jetstream
  8. Krafty
  9. Dracula's Castle
  10. I Told You So
  11. Working Overtime

Pretty even as it is, though.

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  1. Turn
  2. WFTSC
  3. Dracula's Castle
  4. Krafty
  5. I Told You So
  6. Hey now...
  7. Guilt...
  8. Whose Joe
  9. Jetstream
  10. Working Overtime
  11. Morning Night and Day
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  1. WFTSC
  2. Turn
  3. Krafty
  4. Jetstream
  5. Morning Night and Day
  6. Who's Joe
  7. Hey Now What You Doing
  8. Guilt is a Useless Emotion
  9. Working Overtime
  10. I Told You So
  11. Dracula's Castle
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  1. Turn
  2. Waiting For The Sirens' Call
  3. Krafty
  4. Hey Now What You Doing
  5. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion
  6. Jetstream
  7. Who's Joe?
  8. Working Overtime
  9. I Told You So
  10. Morning Night And Day
  11. Dracula's Castle

Not much difference in the top six, the next four are fine. Found myself fast-forwarding to the next track when Dracula's Castle has been playing as of late.

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WFTSC Turn Who's Joe Krafty Morning, Night And Day Hey Now, What You Doing I Told You So Dracula's Castle Working Overtime Guilt Is A Useless Emotion Jetstream

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01- Who's Joe? 02- Hey Now What You Doing 03- Waiting For The Sirens' Call 04- Turn 05- Krafty 06- Jetstream 07- Dracula's Castle 08- Morning Night and Day 09- Working Overtime 10- Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 11- I Told You So

this could change in a few minutes...but this is right now!

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At the moment:

  1. WFTSC
  2. Jetstream
  3. Guilt is a useless emotion
  4. Krafty
  5. Turn
  6. I told you so
  7. Who's Joe?
  8. Dracula's castle
  9. Hey now what you doing
  10. Working overtime
  11. Morning night and day
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  1. Krafty

  2. MN&D

  3. WFTSC

  4. Turn

  5. HNWYD

  6. Hey Joe

  7. JET

  8. I Told You So

  9. D's Castle

  10. Working Overtime

  11. GIAUE (but I like Mac Q's Remix so much!!)

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1.-who's joe 2.-jetstream 3.-turn 4.-hey now what you doing 5.-guilt is a useless emotion 6.-morning night and day 7.-waiting for the sirens call 8.-krafty 9.-dracula's castle 10.-working overtime 11.-i told you so

I THINK "I TOLD YOU SO" IS ONE OF THE WORST SONGS EVER MADE BY NEW ORDER, AND "WORKING OVERTIME" IT JUST DON'T FIT WITH THE ALBUM, IT SOUNDS LIKE A B-SIDE OR SOMETHING

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Guilt Is A Useless Emotion Morning, Night And Day Who's Joe Jetstream Turn Dracula's Castle I Told You So Hey Now, What You Doing WFTSC Krafty Working Overtime

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i don't know, but i always tend to skip "Morning night and Day" and Dracula's Castle"

it really is a diverse album

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Seeing as I've never given my review of the WFTSC album, an opportunity presents itself. :)

Who's Joe

Very good introduction song for the album. Upon first listen I thought it was mediocre and nothing more. After many more listens I think it better than mediocre. Nice to hear Hooky there along with the synths and Phil's guitar while Barney sings on about this Joe character. Repetitive lyrics, yes, but how can you dislike it?

Score: 8

Hey Now What You Doing

Poor song title - should have been the "Ruin to Road" but that is my only complaint of this wonderful track. I quite like the lyric of "brightest future... writing songs on your computer" even though it's a stretch. Fun and catchy guitar song.

Score: 8.5

Waiting For The Sirens' Call

The song that defines the album and titles it. Slower track that may sound quasi-adult contemporary, but the chorus leaves an indelible impression upon me rendering it one of their finest tracks. Heartfelt lyrics, but too bad Barney leaves out words though, "I won't desert you, I don't know what (sic) say". Despite that minor flaw, I'm able to overook and forgive him.

Score: 9

Krafty

I was not impressed by this track when I first listened to it. Perhaps I was just expecting more. I've, however, grown to like it more than before. It's extremely optimistic (which can be good or bad) and has some great drumming and love the synths toward the end. The flow of the song just seems a little bit off and the chorus didn't do much for me. Maybe it's too poppy. The lyrical emphasis about working on this track (and the overall album) are a bit drab. With that said, I'm slowly learning to accept this song and am actually liking it. It's definitely jumped leaps and bounds from first listen. It is classic New Order, like it or not.

Score: 8

I Told You So

Peculiar track with the reggae influence. Not that that's a bad thing. Different, though. Somewhat yet interesting dodgy beats and has an anachronistic feel (would be more apt on Republic), but it's not really a bad song. Like the above track, it's been growing on me and I'm slowly learning to appreciate and respect it for its worth. It's not a standout track but it's not a clanger either. The female backing vocals at the end are catchy. (By the way, who does the male backing vocals of "And I told you so"? Hooky?).

Score: 7

Morning Night And Day

Love the intro and uptempo pace to this song. A real stomper that sounds good in the house, car or a houseparty. Can't stop humming the chorus to this choon. Absolutely love the Hooky bass at approximately 04:20! Simple yet quite enjoyable.

Score: 8.5

Dracula's Castle

Strangely titled song. This song upon first listen was just boring to me. Now though, I don't feel it's necessarily boring but somewhat bland compared to the others on here. Is it filler? Perhaps. But to my ears it has a Technique feel to it (kinda reminds me of Guilty Partner) and is a real grower. Has some great piano bits, too, which adds a novel element to the track combined with the guitar, bass and keyboards. The lyrics aren't that bad either. Love the ending bit with the synths, very Technique-ish and closing piano (really could've been the last track if Working Overtime didn't make the cut). Overall this song isn't as bad as I first expected even though it lacks that "punch" the other songs may have. Enjoy it for what it's worth: a solid track, filler or not.

Score: 8

Jetstream

Oh boy, where do I begin? This song is sugary and meant for the airwaves and clubs to lure in people who like duets that feature simplistic lyrics and meaningless pop songs. I suppose it's an okay summer song, but that's about it. The video, however, isn't too bad, suprisingly (better than Krafty's).

Score: 5 (being generous here)

Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (standard album version)

*ThumpThumpThumpThump* Ahh, the one song that instantly grabbed me upon first listen. Now THIS is what a New Order dance song should sound like, unlike the leniently-rated track above. Great isolated Barney vocals over a dance beat with the backing vox that feature love lyrics. A real foot-tapper and much more worthy of radio airplay and club rotation. A surefire hit if it were to be released as a single with worthy remixes. My only complaint is the middle of the song tends to slow down too much and lose the atmosphere. Nothing an edit or faster club version couldn't fix up. Noticeably better than the Mac Quayle mix because it is more dancier and retains the rhythm of the beat.

Score: 9

Turn

Here we go! The standout gem of this album. Classic New Order and gives the listener a fast uptempo with meaningful lyrics. Great instrumentation and the chorus is undeniably catchy and infectiously enjoyable (much better than Krafty) and has excellent level of flow unlike said track. No complaints whatsoever.

Score: 10

Working Overtime

Fun little Stooges-inspired track that doesn't focus on the lyrical content but could be a real crowd pumper at the festivals. Does seem like a good summer song, like Jetstream, but in a different context.

Score: 6.5

Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Mac Quayle Vocal Mix)

An interesting mix from the original. Very good effort and offers a different feel to the song that a lot of folks didn't enjoy from the album version. The synths and bass bring a new dimension to the song, but it somehow loses its dance aura in favor of a more alternative sound. Not as spectacular or crisp as the standard album version.

Score: 7.5

My summary of track rankings, for the moment...

Turn (10) WFTSC (9) GIAUE (standard album version) (9) Hey Now What You Doing (8.5) Morning Night And Day (8.5) Who's Joe (8) Dracula's Castle (8) Krafty (8) GIAUE (Mac Quayle Vocal Mix) (7.5) I Told You So (7) Working Overtime (6.5) Jetstream (5)

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Turn? Classic New Order?

Guess it depends what is your definition of "Classic New Order", we had this discussion before, but for me, a classic New Order song has a bassline you actually remember... like in Regret or Age of Consent for instance.

I don't remember Turn's one too much.

It's not a bad song, but I don't see why so many people rank it so high really... probably because it's stuck between Guilt and Working Overtime :lol:

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Agreed - to me it's a solid NO song that lacks a killer chorus, which would have elevated it to a classic.

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Good topic...I've noticed that my opinion of several songs has changed over time...

Was at first listen:

Turn Who's Joe WFTSC I told you so Guilt Jetstream Krafty MNAD Dracula's castle HNWYD Working Overtime

Now is:

Turn Dracula's castle (great bass in this one) WFTSC Guilt Who's Joe Working Overtime Jetstream HNWYD I told you so Krafty MNAD

Biggest surprise for me was how much Dracula's castle (surely one of the worst ever names for a song period) has grown on me. Some think that its bland but I think that the lyrics are very catchy and the bass line is fantastic...also the bit at the end that everyone hates reminds me of how NO used to add all kinds of extra riffs in their songs...also Working overtime has grown on me as well.

I told you so and Krafty both seem to have gotten stale really fast.

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Agree with the comments about Turn lacking a killer hook.

Mine is

  1. WFTSC
  2. Krafty
  3. MNAD
  4. GIAUE
  5. HNWYD
  6. Jetstram
  7. I told you so
  8. Turn
  9. Draculas castle
  10. Who's Joe
  11. Working Overtime

But I agree that I don't dislike any track on there - which is probably a first for a New Order album for me.

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1 wftsc, by a mile 2 turn 3 krafty 4 itys 5,6,7,8,9,10,not bothered

:shrug:

11 J-e-t:dead: Really happy with the album over all and hammer the first 4 on that, lazy:sleep: list up there.Lets get this New order title track out on single soon.I think if this one gets the airplay it could be a massive hit for them,and encourage the band to make some more of this shit,and they keep going longer than the queen mother did:music: :music:

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  1. WFTSC
  2. Krafty
  3. Hey Now What You Doing
  4. Dracula's Castle
  5. Turn
  6. Who's Joe
  7. Jetstream
  8. Morning Night & Day
  9. I Told You So
  10. Working Overtime
  11. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion
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For me it's just got better and better. I REALLY wasn't expecting something this good - it's pushing Movement as my favourite. Anyway... I don't see the point in ranking individual tracks, but here's a few comments :

The first six tracks are pretty much flawless, working individually and as a whole. Each track is stunningly arranged and has some quintessential New Order moments. For example - the chorus of Who's Joe, the way the synths come in after the second chorus of WFTSC, the last minute of Krafty, the beat-change half way through I Told You So, the intro to MD&N, the way Barney sings 'I've Got To Find You' on Who's Joe?....I could go on.

I am still not convinced that Dracula's Castle is as good as the first 6 tracks - not quite such a strong melody maybe, although I love the piano. Jetstream is wonderful pop and it's great to hear them slightly out-of-character and having out and out fun! Guilt is the only track I am really struggling with - it's good, but not quite...*there* (yet). Turn is wonderful, yet slightly overated by many folks around here - it's simplicity is beguiling, but I feel they could have done something a bit more dramatic with the chorus. Working Overtime is absolutely fantastic - a synthesis of garage-punk, The Fall and New Order like we've never heard them before.

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similiar thoughts about turn, spotnick. At first i didnt like i told you so, but now i listen to it all the time.

Turn just doesnt too that much to me. It just seems to basic too me.

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01- Krafty 02- Dracula's Castle 03- I Told You So 04- Morning Night and Day 05- Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 06- Turn 07- Hey Now What You Doing 08- Waiting For The Sirens' Call 09- Who's Joe? 10- Jetstream 11- Working Overtime

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  1. Hey Now, What You Doing?
  2. Krafty
  3. Dracula's Castle
  4. I Told You So
  5. Waiting For The Sirens Call
  6. Who's Joe?
  7. Turn
  8. Jetstream
  9. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion
  10. Morning, Night and Day
  11. Working Overtime

Really like the Krafty remixes especially Morel's, I love the dark sound and Hook's bassline in Dracula's Castle, and love the guitars in Hey Now.....I Told you so should be a single, really catchy albeit Electronicesque. Working Overtime....I guess if you like Oasis a lot....

I can put Jetstream anywhere on this list depending upon what I am looking for in a song. I spent 12 hours remixing it this weekend so, I could use a break.:D

All in all, this is an EXCELENT album, and the 11th best song is better than most-of-the-albums-that-are-released-now-day's 3rd best track.

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I would include some "remixes" that I liked more than the "album versions" and my list would be:

  1. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Mac Quayle Vocal Mix)
  2. Waiting for the Sirens' Call
  3. Jetstream (Arthur Baker Remix)
  4. I Told You So
  5. Hey Now What You Doing
  6. Dracula's Castle
  7. Turn
  8. Morning Night And Day
  9. Krafty (Rich Costey's Re-edit)
  10. Jetstream (Album Version)
  11. Krafty (Album Version)
  12. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Album Version)
  13. Who's Joe
  14. Working Overtime

This last one doesn't really fit on the album and would have a better place as a B-side IMHO...

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01 - I Told You So 02 - Krafty (Album re-edit) 03 - Turn 04 - Morning Night And Day 05 - Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 06 - Jetstream (Richard X Mix particularly) 07 - Waiting for the Sirens' Call 08 - Who's Joe? 09 - Dracula's Castle 10 - Hey Now What You Doing 11 - Working Overtime

Jetstream, as mentioned on previous posts, is unfortunately, a grower! Unlike most I actually love I TOld You So... it's different. A refreshing change.

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Good question, since the rankings have shifted quite a bit:

  1. Waiting for the Sirens' Call - The record peaks at 4:17 into this track.

  2. I Told You So - Hey, I'm as surprised as you are. But I just got back from the Caribbean, and this reminds me of sipping rum punch on a catamaran. Awesome bass guitar work from Hooky, nice fuzzy tube-overdriven Vox guitars, nifty synth toms from Steve. Nice lyrics too.

  3. Who's Joe? - That same magical synthesis of guitars and synths that made Crystal such a great track.

  4. Hey Now What You Doing - See No. 3.

  5. Turn - It's a great song, but Steven Street's thumbprint is so heavy it's like anyone could have performed it. Do you think Phil has listened to any Smiths records?

  6. Jetstream - Pure dance-pop confection. Mmmm...

  7. Krafty - If this riff reminded them of Kraftwerk, who did Everything's Gone Green remind them of?

  8. Guilt Is a Useless Emotion - A very good Les Rhythmes Digitales track, with guest vocals by New Order's Bernard Sumner.

  9. Dracula's Castle - If you faded this one out at 4:15, it would be a nice Technique outtake, but instead it turns into a Twisted Tenderness rehash. And c'mon...how about, "deep in your castle" or something? Mblah, mblah! I vant to suck your blood!

  10. Working Overtime - A fun throwaway.

  11. Morning Night and Day - I've really grown to hate this one. A stupid topic, insipid lyrics...even the fart guitar solo blows. Someone pushing 50 writes about being hung over, and introduces it with an ominious operatic synth choir? No thanks.

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Good evening North Wales, may we have your votes please?

  1. Who's Joe - 12 pt
  2. Waiting For The Sirens' Call - 10 pt
  3. Krafty - 8 pt
  4. Hey Now, What You Doing? - 7 pt
  5. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion - 6 pt
  6. Turn - 5 pt
  7. Jetstream - 4 pt
  8. I Told You So - 3 pt
  9. Morning, Night And Day - 2 pt
  10. Dracula's Castle - 1 pt
  11. Working Overtime - zero pt

I really like the first 7, they've all got classic moments. 9 and 10 are pretty good, but 11 doesn't do much for me I'm afraid. Overall, I rate the album as my favourite.

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01 - Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 02 - Turn 03 - Jetstream 04 - Krafty 05 - Waiting For The Sirens' Call 06 - Working Overtime 07 - Morning Night and Day 08 - Hey Now What You Doing 09 - Dracula's Castle 10 - Who's Joe? 11 - I Told You So

the ranking is based on which songs i thumb to the most and which one's i thumb past. also, honorable mention, the mac quayle mix was added and i've been thumbing it alot. :thumb:

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  1. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (love this song)

  2. Turn (evokes a sense of closure to me- brilliant track)

  3. Waiting for the Sirens' Call (NO at it's finest)

  4. Hey Now What You Doing (better title would serve justice)

  5. Who's Joe (lyrics reminiscent of "1963")

  6. Krafty (catchy synths)

  7. Jetstream

  8. Dracula's Castle

  9. Morning Night And Day

10)I Told You So

11)Working Overtime

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DShamen wrote: 01 - I Told You So Unlike most I actually love I TOld You So... it's different. A refreshing change.

:clap: Yeaaah, come on! He has seen the fookin light! :thumb: I knew sooner or later it would start to grow on some fans... the tracks you dislike at first but then grow on you are the ones you enjoy the most... it doesn't happen very often today, because I usually get New Order songs at first listenings, but when it happens it's pure joy because you don't feel them on the surface, you feel them deep inside your heart... This "recently" happened only with Here To Stay, which at first I thought it was just an average light synth pop track but then I got its full magnificence. But remember, I hated Blue Monday, and then it became my all time favourite. If it happened with that song to me, it can happen with any song to anyone. Keep on trying and join us, the enlightened ITYS lovers! ;)

Mick, the ITYS preacher.

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Mick, I'm trying, really am, but no result :evil4:

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The 5 songs on top are absolutely amongst NEW orders best songs ever.

01 - Waiting For The Sirens' Call 01 - Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 01 - Krafty 01 - Turn 01 - Jetstream

02 - I Told You So 03 - Morning Night and Day 04 - Working Overtime 05 - Who's Joe? 06 - Hey Now What You Doing 07 - Dracula's Castle

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Excellent:

1st = Turn 2nd = WFTSC – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Pretty Good:

3rd = Hey Now 4th = Krafty 5th = Joe – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Average:

6th = Working 7th = Guilt – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Pretty Dire:

8th = Morning N/D 9th = Dracula – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Utter Pants:

10th = Jizz 11th = Arse Of Bass

:shades:

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I tend to find that ITYS is VERY VERY Happy mondays in style musically,with obviously no Shaun Ryder on vocals,I love the music on this track,especially the Mark Day-esque Geetar.I thought it was shit-hot as soon as I heard that guitar.....from day one I liked it:music:

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