Newbie from Los Angeles

Hello *waves*

Glad to be here, I've been listening to NO for 20 years now and been a fan all along.

I'm sure this may have been asked before, and sorry if it has, but, i was wondering when New Order will play in Los Angeles again? It's been about 10 years i think, and it IS pretty conspicuous to leave out such a big city. Or do they have some reason for playing all around L.A. but never IN L.A.

note: Coachella - 2-1/2 hours' drive out and into a desert furnace - is not considered L.A. thanks

hi welcome - maybe they'll come back when the nxt cd comes out in '06. i didn't get to see them in the US either this time around.

Welcome there.

Welcome aboard, I delurk once in a while to offend people then vanish into the mists in the knowledge of a job well done.

I was just thinking that you're lucky you phrased your question so well, I belive that comments on the subject "north american dates????????" have been known to provoke a fatal response around here :) They're playing like 110miles (Ireland, so 4 hrs MINIMUM) south of me in July and I can't even afford the feckin train never mid a ticket for the gig grrrrrrrrrr. Miserable bastards should be playing in my local leisure centre :)

uninesix uninesix wrote: Hello *waves*

Glad to be here, I've been listening to NO for 20 years now and been a fan all along.

I'm sure this may have been asked before, and sorry if it has, but, i was wondering when New Order will play in Los Angeles again? It's been about 10 years i think, and it IS pretty conspicuous to leave out such a big city. Or do they have some reason for playing all around L.A. but never IN L.A.

note: Coachella - 2-1/2 hours' drive out and into a desert furnace - is not considered L.A. thanks

In fairness even though the band didn't play LA I don't think Cal-based fans can say they've have been neglected considering two of the four US dates they played were Oakland and Coachella

And hi!

symphonie wrote: hi welcome - maybe they'll come back when the nxt cd comes out in '06. i didn't get to see them in the US either this time around.

I didn't get that. prees sprain.

Wasimple wrote:

uninesix uninesix wrote: Hello *waves*

Glad to be here, I've been listening to NO for 20 years now and been a fan all along.

I'm sure this may have been asked before, and sorry if it has, but, i was wondering when New Order will play in Los Angeles again? It's been about 10 years i think, and it IS pretty conspicuous to leave out such a big city. Or do they have some reason for playing all around L.A. but never IN L.A.

note: Coachella - 2-1/2 hours' drive out and into a desert furnace - is not considered L.A. thanks

In fairness even though the band didn't play LA I don't think Cal-based fans can say they've have been neglected considering two of the four US dates they played were Oakland and Coachella

And hi!

Hi there *waves again*

(I was just wondering if NO has given a reason for it..)

well, for No.Cal.(sanFrisco etc.) Oakland is very close, actually just an urban extension of SFO.

But Southern Cal...well, there's 20,000,000 living from Santa Barbara to San Diego (8million in LA/Orange) and Coachella isn't only 2.5 hrs away. In L.A. one must count how difficult, hot, and time-consuming and absolutely crazy it is to drive considering the traffic, lousy roads, traffic, heat, plus just getting in and out of Coachella. Did i mention the traffic and the heat?

And LA has dozens of venues of ALL sizes for them to play in. After all, tears for fears, psychedelic furs, the fixx, berlin, gogos, etc.(none of whom are huge draws), are all playing here in the same 2week time-span.

Hopefully for the next cd.. til then... good times

Howdy Uni.I hope they come and play for you in little old Los angeles After they do a little intimate gig up here at Redcar Bowl If only .....

Plenty of people (including myself) came from much further away than LA to see the Coachella and Oakland shows. We drove all day and all night and it was worth it. If you can't commit yourself to a 3 hour drive to the desert when you already live in LA, stop bitching.

Granade muncher is right on the money here

uninesix uninesix wrote: Hello *waves*

Glad to be here, I've been listening to NO for 20 years now and been a fan all along.

I'm sure this may have been asked before, and sorry if it has, but, i was wondering when New Order will play in Los Angeles again? It's been about 10 years i think, and it IS pretty conspicuous to leave out such a big city. Or do they have some reason for playing all around L.A. but never IN L.A.

note: Coachella - 2-1/2 hours' drive out and into a desert furnace - is not considered L.A. thanks

um, it was like 60 degree's and absolutely gorgeous when newOrder played Coachella...i drove 11+hrs so don't start whining about 2+

(I was just wondering if NO has given a reason for it..)

But Southern Cal...well, there's 20,000,000 living from Santa Barbara to San Diego (8million in LA/Orange) and Coachella isn't only 2.5 hrs away. In L.A. one must count how difficult, hot, and time-consuming and absolutely crazy it is to drive considering the traffic, lousy roads, traffic, heat, plus just getting in and out of Coachella. Did i mention the traffic and the heat?

And LA has dozens of venues of ALL sizes for them to play in. After all, tears for fears, psychedelic furs, the fixx, berlin, gogos, etc.(none of whom are huge draws), are all playing here in the same 2week time-span.

Hopefully for the next cd.. til then... good times

REASON FOR NOT PLAYING MORE = Mr. Bernard Sumner is a fucking pansy ass bitch!!!!

REASON FOR ME RESPONDING YOU YOU TWICE IN A ROW = You are a f++king p@nsy @$$ for not wanting to brave the "traffic" + "heat" to see a band you've been a "fan" of for 20yrs.

the traffic in and out of Coachella was a piece of cake and the weather was absolutely gorgeous with the exception of about 3hrs mid-day Sunday, other than that, the crowd was great, the traffic was easy to handle and New Order were great.

*waves with one specific finger*

The weather in Cochella was actually not that bad.

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

uninesix uninesix wrote: Hello *waves*

Glad to be here, I've been listening to NO for 20 years now and been a fan all along.

I'm sure this may have been asked before, and sorry if it has, but, i was wondering when New Order will play in Los Angeles again? It's been about 10 years i think, and it IS pretty conspicuous to leave out such a big city. Or do they have some reason for playing all around L.A. but never IN L.A.

note: Coachella - 2-1/2 hours' drive out and into a desert furnace - is not considered L.A. thanks

um, it was like 60 degree's and absolutely gorgeous when newOrder played Coachella...i drove 11+hrs so don't start whining about 2+

You're right, i did hear this year conditions were pretty good, even the organizers were congratulating themselves over it. I guess i was just speaking in general, from past reports of Coachel.

And i understand your 11hr. drive. I'm sure you prolly did it cuz you had to, or else you also may have asked the same question. It's all good, I go to las vegas to catch shows i couldn't catch at home, so i know what you mean.

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

(I was just wondering if NO has given a reason for it..)

But Southern Cal...well, there's 20,000,000 living from Santa Barbara to San Diego (8million in LA/Orange) and Coachella isn't only 2.5 hrs away. In L.A. one must count how difficult, hot, and time-consuming and absolutely crazy it is to drive considering the traffic, lousy roads, traffic, heat, plus just getting in and out of Coachella. Did i mention the traffic and the heat?

And LA has dozens of venues of ALL sizes for them to play in. After all, tears for fears, psychedelic furs, the fixx, berlin, gogos, etc.(none of whom are huge draws), are all playing here in the same 2week time-span.

Hopefully for the next cd.. til then... good times

REASON FOR NOT PLAYING MORE = Mr. Bernard Sumner is a fucking pansy ass bitch!!!!

REASON FOR ME RESPONDING YOU YOU TWICE IN A ROW = You are a f++king p@nsy @$$ for not wanting to brave the "traffic" + "heat" to see a band you've been a "fan" of for 20yrs.

the traffic in and out of Coachella was a piece of cake and the weather was absolutely gorgeous with the exception of about 3hrs mid-day Sunday, other than that, the crowd was great, the traffic was easy to handle and New Order were great.

*waves with one specific finger*

Ohhh'kay, I see. You're that one asshole on every board; ok. (here's where your "pride" kicks in and your "chests" puff up)

Put your finger back in your hole, this is not at ATM board.

I'm sure you're used to pilgrimaging out from town you live to see anything new, or hell even groceries (i've lived in smaller-than-L.A. cities/villages before), and don't forget: I was just asking a question.

Answer back now. You can't possibly let this one go by w/out mention.

"Ohhh'kay, I see. You're that one asshole on every board; ok. (here's where your "pride" kicks in and your "chests" puff up)Put your finger back in your hole, this is not at ATM board. I'm sure you're used to pilgrimaging out from town you live to see anything new, or hell even groceries (i've lived in smaller-than-L.A. cities/villages before), and don't forget: I was just asking a question. Answer back now. You can't possibly let this one go by w/out mention."

Actually, I'm not the resident asshole, but I've taken plenty of tips from those who are. Here's an answer to your question: If you're too lazy to drive 3 hours to see New Order in the desert, then don't even bother asking for a more "convenient" place. I'd like them to literally play in my backyard as well, but it ain't gonna happen. Hold out hope for next year, if they decide to come back to the States at all. Just start kicking yourself now that you missed them when you did. That's what I did for years after I passed up the opportunity to drive 3 hours to see them in the desert in 2001.

The_Other_Two wrote: The weather in Cochella was actually not that bad.

Yeah, i heard everything fell into place a lot better this year. Next year seems like a definite maybe, depending on lineup. thanks

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: "Ohhh'kay, I see. You're that one asshole on every board; ok. (here's where your "pride" kicks in and your "chests" puff up)Put your finger back in your hole, this is not at ATM board. I'm sure you're used to pilgrimaging out from town you live to see anything new, or hell even groceries (i've lived in smaller-than-L.A. cities/villages before), and don't forget: I was just asking a question. Answer back now. You can't possibly let this one go by w/out mention."

Actually, I'm not the resident asshole, but I've taken plenty of tips from those who are. Here's an answer to your question: If you're too lazy to drive 3 hours to see New Order in the desert, then don't even bother asking for a more "convenient" place. I'd like them to literally play in my backyard as well, but it ain't gonna happen. Hold out hope for next year, if they decide to come back to the States at all. Just start kicking yourself now that you missed them when you did. That's what I did for years after I passed up the opportunity to drive 3 hours to see them in the desert in 2001.

thats a real nice howdy and welcome popeski....He's right if you can't be arsed with a short journey,you can't be too bothered about seeing them

You should have went to Oakland, we had a blast!

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: "Ohhh'kay, I see. You're that one asshole on every board; ok. (here's where your "pride" kicks in and your "chests" puff up)Put your finger back in your hole, this is not at ATM board. I'm sure you're used to pilgrimaging out from town you live to see anything new, or hell even groceries (i've lived in smaller-than-L.A. cities/villages before), and don't forget: I was just asking a question. Answer back now. You can't possibly let this one go by w/out mention."

Actually, I'm not the resident asshole, but I've taken plenty of tips from those who are. Here's an answer to your question: If you're too lazy to drive 3 hours to see New Order in the desert, then don't even bother asking for a more "convenient" place. I'd like them to literally play in my backyard as well, but it ain't gonna happen. Hold out hope for next year, if they decide to come back to the States at all. Just start kicking yourself now that you missed them when you did. That's what I did for years after I passed up the opportunity to drive 3 hours to see them in the desert in 2001.

Please re-read what i've written. I'm not against driving forever if it's worth it and there's no other option. I was just questioning why this time Coachel. over L.A. I go to Las Vegas (which is much more than 2x distance) regularly and will do so twice this summer for shows.

"Convenient.." ... to a huge market of their's, too. I'm sure, barring unknown factors, NO could potentially make more money in LA than in Coachel. It's also pretty dumb to imply that if i did make the drive, THEN i could ask for a convenient place? if so, that wouldn't make sense.

"..kicking yourself now.." sorry, i'm not that hard on myself over anything. You brought it up, maybe you do so to yourself.

Tip: let someone else kick you. Don't be selfish with all the fun.

Bottom line: you could've answered or ignored my first questions on here without being an asshole about it but you did. That's just you, clearly. (maybe if you just said upfront what i said or "toned" that triggered you, then you'd get an appropriate respecting reply.. what are the chances?)

credit where it's due: I see you scaled back the bullshit on your last reply, so maybe we could put our knives away and play nicely from now on. C'mon, this is a New Order board.

I would like a place i could call [our] own have a conversation . . .

Thanks for taking me to task. I don't hear that enough as is.

Simple answer to why they did Coachella rather than LA - someone else was promoting it, they didn't have to organise it all. All they had to do was agree a fee and turn up. Oakland was a Chems show that they hijacked! NY and Chicago were slightly different, they had to get them promoted rather than jumping on someone else's promotion. They are the only shows this year where that will be the case - all the others are festivals where there is no risk to the band in terms of promotion costs, only a guaranteed fee for taking part. Nice and easy.

At least I'm not alone in thinking that the twat protests too much. 3 hours...boo fucking hoo. Try flying in from England....

I drove 11 hours to Oakland, then made the 7 hour 'Cannonball Run' across California to Palm Springs (8 hours if you count the hour I slept on the side of the road). 2 days at Coachella, 12 hours home on Monday.

Worth the price of admission.

Mester wrote: I drove 11 hours to Oakland, then made the 7 hour 'Cannonball Run' across California to Palm Springs (8 hours if you count the hour I slept on the side of the road). 2 days at Coachella, 12 hours home on Monday.

Worth the price of admission.

You had an hours sleep?

You were lucky. I lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. I had to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, watch a New Order gig then go to work down t'mill for fourteen hours. When I got home, our Dad thrashed me to sleep with his belt!

BIGINOIL wrote:

Mester wrote: I drove 11 hours to Oakland, then made the 7 hour 'Cannonball Run' across California to Palm Springs (8 hours if you count the hour I slept on the side of the road). 2 days at Coachella, 12 hours home on Monday.

Worth the price of admission.

You had an hours sleep?

You were lucky. I lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. I had to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, watch a New Order gig then go to work down t'mill for fourteen hours. When I got home, our Dad thrashed me to sleep with his belt!

Nice one!

BIGINOIL wrote:

Mester wrote: I drove 11 hours to Oakland, then made the 7 hour 'Cannonball Run' across California to Palm Springs (8 hours if you count the hour I slept on the side of the road). 2 days at Coachella, 12 hours home on Monday.

Worth the price of admission.

You had an hours sleep?

You were lucky. I lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. I had to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, watch a New Order gig then go to work down t'mill for fourteen hours. When I got home, our Dad thrashed me to sleep with his belt!

Sheer luxury!!!! We used to dream of living in a septic tank, but that means I'd have to move to Sweet Home .....

Seriously though, I had to make the treks down to CA this time because I'm not taking any NO appearances in this country for granted anymore. That's also the reason I drove 13 hours straight overnight after leaving work, from Albany to Oakland in 1985, to see them, because I wasn't sure they would ever tour again.

BIGINOIL wrote:

Mester wrote: I drove 11 hours to Oakland, then made the 7 hour 'Cannonball Run' across California to Palm Springs (8 hours if you count the hour I slept on the side of the road). 2 days at Coachella, 12 hours home on Monday.

Worth the price of admission.

You had an hours sleep?

You were lucky. I lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. I had to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, watch a New Order gig then go to work down t'mill for fourteen hours. When I got home, our Dad thrashed me to sleep with his belt!

Hahahahaha!

Spotnick wrote: I remember Kamar telling us that Smiling Downward (Stephenie, Mr Pope's girlfriend) called him while on the road to Coachella from Oakland saying "(*&/(/* amazing show bla bla bla"

And she's not really a New Order fan...

Actually, we were together for the Oakland and Coachella shows. We did the cannonball run in different cars though. I called her after the Chicago show to get the scoop.

April Berhow wrote: You should have went to Oakland, we had a blast!

I've always wanted to party with the SFO crowd, and a friend of mine was trying to get free tix to Oakland but alas, twas not to be...

FAC103 wrote: uhm...forgive me for stating the obvious here...but didn't New order do Area One in LA just FOUR years ago???

And I've done Dallas to Mountain View, Dallas to London (twice) and Austin to Oakland in the last four years to see New order...so I ain't listening to any complaining about having to drive 3 hours to do a gig!!!

You're right, iStand corrected. I totally forgot. I think I was broke at the time, may even have spent it on other gigs b4 iKnew they were touring. My loss.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: At least I'm not alone in thinking that the twat protests too much. 3 hours...boo fucking hoo. Try flying in from England....

I respect EVERYONE'S extreme efforts at doing what they gotta do (i've done it before too) but dooode, seems you just wish you had it as f#@$in' good as me, dass'all. That seeems to be it. I live WITHIN REASON to an endless choice of everything ('cept N.O. - j/k) and seems you're somehow bothered(affected? hmm) by someone NOT having to declare a fuckin' pilgrimage to beyond-the-horizon every time and it burns you that you do. Relax. You remind me of The Grumpy Old Man on SNL.

Sad part is, if you had it as good as me - you clearly don't BooF#$kyouHoo - you'd have a question or 2 of your own to ask about distance, and it would be... ok, trust me. But you don't. And worst, you probably don't KNOW the difference (I do ).

Sad.

your turn. feel free to refer to others as your brain-stutters are staling by themselves... Notice how others are courteous enough to give real answers..? You wanna try? or are you gonna refuse cuz now you feel you're following someone's orders, or jus' doing what you're told? Can't let it go? :D

I am still broke from the Oakland concert, AND I drove 7 hours to see them...(but it was worth it, by all means!!)

Don't take it to heart what these guys say, we are all just HUGE fans and basically don't think much can stop us from seeing them.

Read a few threads to know this before you ask why they don't play in LA.

That's all I will say...

The End!

uninesix uninesix wrote:

FAC103 wrote: uhm...forgive me for stating the obvious here...but didn't New order do Area One in LA just FOUR years ago???

And I've done Dallas to Mountain View, Dallas to London (twice) and Austin to Oakland in the last four years to see New order...so I ain't listening to any complaining about having to drive 3 hours to do a gig!!!

You're right, iStand corrected. I totally forgot. I think I was broke at the time, may even have spent it on other gigs b4 iKnew they were touring. My loss.

Other gigs? I don't think ANY other gig would have been better than that day at Area One!

NewOrder have never never played Canberra, yet I have managed to see them 3 times so far.

uninesix uninesix wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: At least I'm not alone in thinking that the twat protests too much. 3 hours...boo fucking hoo. Try flying in from England....

I respect EVERYONE'S extreme efforts at doing what they gotta do (i've done it before too) but dooode, seems you just wish you had it as f#@$in' good as me, dass'all. That seeems to be it. I live WITHIN REASON to an endless choice of everything ('cept N.O. - j/k) and seems you're somehow bothered(affected? hmm) by someone NOT having to declare a fuckin' pilgrimage to beyond-the-horizon every time and it burns you that you do. Relax. You remind me of The Grumpy Old Man on SNL.

Sad part is, if you had it as good as me - you clearly don't BooF#$kyouHoo - you'd have a question or 2 of your own to ask about distance, and it would be... ok, trust me. But you don't. And worst, you probably don't KNOW the difference (I do ).

Sad.

your turn. feel free to refer to others as your brain-stutters are staling by themselves... Notice how others are courteous enough to give real answers..? You wanna try? or are you gonna refuse cuz now you feel you're following someone's orders, or jus' doing what you're told? Can't let it go? :D

That's okay. Other people might not be as explicit about it, but I'm not alone in thinking that anyone in your convenient geographical location who still bitches about no dates in LA proper will be a twat. In fact, several others beside me have said the same thing in nicer terms. We can't all be as fortunate as you it seems. Enjoy the smog, you knob.

Enjoy the smog, you knob.

http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?PageIndex=1&ThreadID=21406&dummy=1#313303

watch out this could happen.

FAC103 wrote: ya know, something just doesn't seem quite proper here...

I just had a look at U96's profile, and he claims to have been a fan of the Order since the age of SIX???

Also, claims to be doing quite well, but has to see if a buddy can get free tickets to the Oakland gig...

I smell a frigging RAT here...

(I like that song, "The Rat")

I grew up with music, and I can remember lots of music from as early as 3 years old ('81-'82). I had music all around.

Didn't mean to sound like I'm doing well. I'm a starving college student here in L.A. I live on my own, broke or near-broke, and trying to make all the shows i'd like keeps me that way. That's why i didnt make N.O. in 2001, cuz i spent my money on other tix by the time i knew NO was gonna play.

FAC103 wrote: ya know, something just doesn't seem quite proper here...

I just had a look at U96's profile, and he claims to have been a fan of the Order since the age of SIX???

Also, claims to be doing quite well, but has to see if a buddy can get free tickets to the Oakland gig...

I smell a frigging RAT here...

A friend who works at a country club here was trying to get Oakland tix free from a member at that club to offset the total cost of the trip, but no go. I never claimed to be doing well, maybe it just sounded that way. Concert-wise, L.A. can be considered "doing very well," but it's not like I get to all the shows i'd like.. quite the opposite. I get to go to Vegas cuz it's a cheap tik and brother has a home there and my blackjack has usually for the trip and any extras i like.

FAC103 wrote: ya know, something just doesn't seem quite proper here...

I just had a look at U96's profile, and he claims to have been a fan of the Order since the age of SIX???

Also, claims to be doing quite well, but has to see if a buddy can get free tickets to the Oakland gig...

I smell a frigging RAT here...

what would he be ratting out?

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: At least I'm not alone in thinking that the twat protests too much. 3 hours...boo fucking hoo. Try flying in from England....

Has anybody noticed that the americans in this forum are starting to talk like the english(including myself)? I havent heard twat over here for ages.

jonathan szwajkos wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: At least I'm not alone in thinking that the twat protests too much. 3 hours...boo fucking hoo. Try flying in from England....

Has anybody noticed that the americans in this forum are starting to talk like the english(including myself)? I havent heard twat over here for ages.

Funny. That's where I got my acid tongue from. They shipped it FedEx overnight.

Now I'll go hide in my fortified bunker so the esteemed newbie from L.A. doesn't come after me with a shotgun.

I personally use the word 'Twat' regularly....:D

Holy fuck! Bruce on boards!!!!!!!!!!! :D

I'll be back in LA in a month, so if anyone wants me to assault a certain someone, it can be arranged for a reasonable fee :D.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

jonathan szwajkos wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: At least I'm not alone in thinking that the twat protests too much. 3 hours...boo fucking hoo. Try flying in from England....

Has anybody noticed that the americans in this forum are starting to talk like the english(including myself)? I havent heard twat over here for ages.

Funny. That's where I got my acid tongue from. They shipped it FedEx overnight.

Now I'll go hide in my fortified bunker so the esteemed newbie from L.A. doesn't come after me with a shotgun.

Must be all those Barneyism on the live recordings rubbing off on the Americans.

I am a newbie here also.;)

Tristan Jayol XVI wrote: I'll be back in LA in a month, so if anyone wants me to assault a certain someone, it can be arranged for a reasonable fee :D.

I will be in San Diego next month to see the NO tribute band from Seattle, Love Vigilantes... I don't want to assult people though... hehe

Please people be nice to one anther. Have a dace off if you must. Heck even Spike and JSB were reasonbly friendly in the end.

No Bruceism of internet rage here please.

Giueseppe Eisonhawk wrote: I am a newbie here also.;)

cheers! :)

Tristan Jayol XVI wrote: I'll be back in LA in a month, so if anyone wants me to assault a certain someone, it can be arranged for a reasonable fee :D.

Lame.

Let's see, it's: Jayol/J-Hole cuz that's where you most liked getting "Jacked"?
And "XVI" cuz that's the number of times jacked in said hole at the last gig? Or's it a cumulative, running total? Wot, no notches on your cockring?

*enlglishism follows*: cheers luv, not my type though.

Thanks to all who've offered kind words, same in return. Mwaah! to the girls and handshakes to the guys.

No worries, this is all most surprising to the clowns who didn't think they'd have to go at it this hard, i guess. I'm amazed I've been so successful that I got to them so bad now they're joking about hurting me. I didn't mean to (i'm not that type) but now.. what th'hell.

It's always the ones who overreact w/no reason that are always the most pussy-hurt by it all...jeezus, why don't you just wave a fuckin' flag and be less obvious, like this: *wave* "yoohoo, pussy-hurt tough-guy here" "i'm so tough," etc. etc. ad lib ad infinitum........................

Yoohoo, pussy-hurt tough-guy here. I'm so tough...

And the winner of this week's Julio Moura Award goes to....

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Yoohoo, pussy-hurt tough-guy here. I'm so tough...

And the winner of this week's Julio Moura Award goes to....

Spoken meekly like a true bitch. *offers Scooby-snacks*

I've got you wrapped around my finger; I own you, clearly. And the Tina-Turner-smacked-by-Ike Award goes to.... ...... :(