The most perfect moment of New Order-yness?

What moments, for you, encapsulate the strange passion that drives us to listen to these people. Little things that explain it all far better than anything. to start off I will offer two of my own, two moments that always make all my hairs stand on end, and create a lump in my throat.

(in no order)

1. In the video for TPK, watch Gillian really closely, as she's doing the front panel mixing at the start (Gillian's front panel mixing in itself is a pretty special thing), JUST as she finishes and is about to turn away, she pauses for about a 1/10 of a second, and just there, just in that split moment, this little look crosses that sweet face of hers, and it just says either "These are my machines, in whom I am well pleased" or maybe it's,( read this as Farmer Hoggat) "That'll do synths, that'll do". Pure New Order Bliss.

2. Any gig where they dander on stage as unconcerned as you like, barney glides up to the mic and mutters summat like "ello we're new order" in a little voice, and the place EXPLODES. that's good, but lots of bands get that, but what makes NO different is that then Hooky's bass says hello with a BDRRRNNRRRRNNN and gets just as large or an even bigger cheer. Magic Moments.

EDIT: If you have the NYC show, put krafty on very loud, and hear what it sounds like when however many people were there (what 15,000 or so from the sound of it) allshout either "FFFUUUUUUUUCK" or just some inarticulate noise as Hooky's bass comes in at the RIGHT level ( ie not the crappy turned down blaspehmy on the studio version)

Steve Campbell wrote: What moments, for you, encapsulate the strange passion that drives us to listen to these people. Little things that explain it all far better than anything. to start off I will offer two of my own, two moments that always make all my hairs stand on end, and create a lump in my throat.

(in no order)

1. In the video for TPK, watch Gillian really closely, as she's doing the front panel mixing at the start (Gillian's front panel mixing in itself is a pretty special thing), JUST as she finishes and is about to turn away, she pauses for about a 1/10 of a second, and just there, just in that split moment, this little look crosses that sweet face of hers, and it just says either "These are my machines, in whom I am well pleased" or maybe it's,( read this as Farmer Hoggat) "That'll do synths, that'll do". Pure New Order Bliss.

2. Any gig where they dander on stage as unconcerned as you like, barney glides up to the mic and mutters summat like "ello we're new order" in a little voice, and the place EXPLODES. that's good, but lots of bands get that, but what makes NO different is that then Hooky's bass says hello with a BDRRRNNRRRRNNN and gets just as large or an even bigger cheer. Magic Moments.

EDIT: If you have the NYC show, put krafty on very loud, and hear what it sounds like when however many people were there (what 15,000 or so from the sound of it) allshout either "FFFUUUUUUUUCK" or just some inarticulate noise as Hooky's bass comes in at the RIGHT level ( ie not the crappy turned down blaspehmy on the studio version)

Steve, this is a lovely post. Unfortunately, your question is a bit like asking what part of oxygen we like.

Too many answers answers...

During "Temptation" at the Taras Shev show, Barney gets shocked by the mic, and Hooky and Steve seem to share a look with each other.

The LWTUA video (technically a "Joy Division-yness" moment, but one of my favorites anyway)

like Bignoil said, too many to list...

well, see that's what I'm getting at, you cannot possibly describe the joy of breathing fresh clean air, you just have to dump yourself by a waterfall and breathe in, that will explain it all. That's what I'm driving it, the little tiny things you'd play to an alien to make him understand why you're a demented fan of people who clearly can't play or behave in anything approaching an acceptable manner ( to the current somewhat fascist music industry regime).

But yeah, I do need em like I need air. Oddly enough, even tho my GF hates their music she think they are priceless and will happilly laugh her head off with me at 24hpp or any of my documentaries. She even shed a tear watching the NME awards as they launched into LWTUA or BM, when I asked why she said "that noise from the crowd just got me, it was for them and it was for you, they were right to just be the fuckwitts they were all this time. And you were right all those times you claimed they invented everything since the 70's". It's probably the nicest thing she's ever said to me, even if the sarcy wee bitch was having a dig at me about "everything since the 70's" cos I DO like to rant now and then.

My favourite New Order moment is when they decided to keep going after Ian died.

Valid point my friend. Incidentally, I managed to get thru 18/05/05 ok, but a coupla days after, your avatar caught my eye and it just floored me. It's probably the most moving image I ever seen (outside of those involving the human capacity to hurt one another), is actually from a JD photoset or, well, errrr, other.

Steve Campbell wrote: Valid point my friend.

I just think it was very brave for the guys to continue as New Order where as lesser bands would have gone their seperate ways.

Incidentally, I managed to get thru 18/05/05 ok, but a coupla days after, your avatar caught my eye and it just floored me. It's probably the most moving image I ever seen (outside of those involving the human capacity to hurt one another), is actually from a JD photoset or, well, errrr, other.

This photo of Ian's mike was taken at the Plan K gig in Brussels. I chose it as a reminder of what happened to Ian, you're the first to notice mate.

Buffer Low wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: Valid point my friend.

I just think it was very brave for the guys to continue as New Order where as lesser bands would have gone their seperate ways.

Incidentally, I managed to get thru 18/05/05 ok, but a coupla days after, your avatar caught my eye and it just floored me. It's probably the most moving image I ever seen (outside of those involving the human capacity to hurt one another), is actually from a JD photoset or, well, errrr, other.

This photo of Ian's mike was taken at the Plan K gig in Brussels. I chose it as a reminder of what happened to Ian, you're the first to notice mate.

Hmmm...I noticed the photo. That Carly personage took some smashing photos. Speaking of which, now the long-rumored Plan K footage has been found and screened. It's only a matter of time until the JD DVD comes out with everything.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

Hmmm...I noticed the photo. That Carly personage took some smashing photos.

Agreed, some of my favourite photos of JD are by him.

Speaking of which, now the long-rumored Plan K footage has been found and screened. It's only a matter of time until the JD DVD comes out with everything.

I really hope this happens, what's the quality like? Is it good or as crappy as the Here Are The Young Men video (which i love, but it really is terrible)?

Buffer Low wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

Hmmm...I noticed the photo. That Carly personage took some smashing photos.

Agreed, some of my favourite photos of JD are by him.

Speaking of which, now the long-rumored Plan K footage has been found and screened. It's only a matter of time until the JD DVD comes out with everything.

I really hope this happens, what's the quality like? Is it good or as crappy as the Here Are The Young Men video (which i love, but it really is terrible)?

Apparently the footage is decent quality. Part of it is that slow-motion footage at the beginning of HATYM. A few other tracks from the Apollo shows on HATYM have come out also, as has the Granada TV performance of SLC.

The Ross-Show Gig (anyone had to say that)

Of course, the video of EGG now available on the excellent Umbrellas In The Sun DVD

Mick Aneworderfan wrote: Of course, the video of EGG now available on the excellent Umbrellas In The Sun DVD

Does anyone have this? I'd love to see it.

True Faith. The sleeve for 'Movement'. And 'Ceremony'. And 'Thieves like us'. Last two minutes of 'Dream Attack'.

Seeing the video for 'Regret' 3 years after I first heard the song and having it be exactly like I pictured it would be in my head! I knew right then that NO would be my favorite band for life.

Intro to Round & Round. So much bloody energy!

R+R from reading(?) 93, where Hooky's bass obliterates everything, such a unique bassline on that track, even bu PH's standards.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

Mick Aneworderfan wrote: Of course, the video of EGG now available on the excellent Umbrellas In The Sun DVD

Does anyone have this? I'd love to see it.

*Just go to Sister Ray and order it, it's guaranteed to be totally worth it. The first wild performance of Everything's Gone Green with Barney not only whooping but barking as well and shouting nonsense over a merciless sequencer. And videos by A Certain Ratio, Josef K and Paul Haig solo, Cabaret Voltaire, Section 25, The Names, The Durutti Column, Crispy Ambulance, Tuxedomoon, Thick Pigeon, Stockholm Monsters, Swamp Children and Kalima, Quando Quango, a fantastic 8mm film of nearly half an hour about indie cult band Marine and more... Needs a proper thread but haven't had the time to write a proper review yet.

Slippy wrote: Intro to Round & Round. So much bloody energy!

Good call, plus the rest of Technique

Vanishing Point - The bit at the start, and then the way the song changes at around 50 seconds, then at the end - Barney's vaguely religious lyrics, the synth, Hooky's base line, Steves Drums, the the outro.

Just typifies New Order for me, in one track.

Bere wrote: The Ross-Show Gig (anyone had to say that)

I have to agree. Just when we've begaun to think that they are beginning to behave like a "professional" band, they show us that they can still frag it up.

It's true, when the laughing and cringing was over I was left with a feeling akin to that of a proud parent :)

Taras gig, when Barney gets shocked, not the look and hands up in the air as he was all pissed off, rather, how he tapped the mike afterwards and then grabbed it and belted out the next versse of the Temptation as if he was saying "Hey fucker, that hurt, but you cannot keep me down, bitch."

TPK on the Montreaux Jazz festival. It's simply perfect - Barney sings well, there's a good balance, the bass can be heard.

Here to Stay - when I saw 24HrPP in the theater, I waited for the credits to begin. As soon as this song kicked in, I just stood in the theater listening to it as everyone left. The friend I saw the movie with just left me standing there, but it was worth it.

Have to confess a wee lump in me throat at that same point. I think it's Barney singing "we're here to stay" while Hooky decimates the bass.....tis a bold statement.

Steve Morris's uncredited appearance in 24HPP. A classic moment.

James Thomas wrote: Steve Morris's uncredited appearance in 24HPP. A classic moment.

?? what was that?

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote: Here to Stay - when I saw 24HrPP in the theater, I waited for the credits to begin. As soon as this song kicked in, I just stood in the theater listening to it as everyone left. The friend I saw the movie with just left me standing there, but it was worth it.

I did the same thing!

Except in my case it was my wife walking out, shaking her head & pretending she didn't know me:(

Unless I was completely mistaken and spent five minutes laughing at a bit part actor, after the death of Curtis, Steve Morris is the saftey pinned punk that comes up to AHW outside a club asking for an audition 'look, I can do the dance..' It was a shame they didn't show Hookys reaction to this part in the free disc.

Nah, it's not him... never even thought that actor looks like him... EDIT: Uhm, checked and yeah, he looks a bit like our Steve, but of course it's not him... the actor is at least 15 years younger, taller, different face and different voice...

The real Steve and Gillian are in the queue outside the Hac in 24HPP aren't they?

Mick Aneworderfan wrote: Nah, it's not him... never even thought that actor looks like him... EDIT: Uhm, checked and yeah, he looks a bit like our Steve, but of course it's not him... the actor is at least 15 years younger, taller, different face and different voice...

OK, assuming I am wrong (mitigating circumstances of drunkenness, then not now), why would a bit part actor with a speaking part in a film not have his name listed in the credits? He would surely have to ask for his name to be withheld from the credits?

MYOB wrote: The real Steve and Gillian are in the queue outside the Hac in 24HPP aren't they?

the ones turned away if my memory is functioning correctly

The actor is credited cps I thougt it looked a little like Steve ( and sounded like him) and checked it out.

It's the actors that get turned away from FAC51.....bloody hilarious if you've seen steve's "I'm not a bitter man" sppech on NOstory.

Al Jarvis wrote:

hibster wrote: the ones turned away if my memory is functioning correctly

It's just the actors playing S&G who are turned away surely?! Turned away by a Monday I might add. Or have I got that bit wrong?

No, I think the -actual- Steve and Gillian are in the queue a bit behind the actors... not 100% sure, though.

Its the actors that get turned away, though.

Bernard's dancing - Fine Time on TOTP - completely ridiculous and fantastic

BM on TotP....wonderful lesson in how not to do it.

Do NOT demand to play live. Do NOT show up off your tits Do NOT chew gum while singing Do NOT look at sad 80's children and try to stifle a laugh. Do NOT piss off the engineer who'll be responsible for how a big a prick you sound on TV.

Unless you're New Order in which case, work away!