Dracula's Castle

Having read through all the posts begging for NO to release WFTSC or Turn as their next single, I feel I have to speak up in favour of my favourite track on the album, and my favourite NO track in years - Draculas Castle.

This is an awesome track, bristling with energy and with Hooky's best bassline in aeons. The majestic opening and closing with the piano is a magic touch which contrasts to the raw power and energy of the song itself. A perfect opening, and a perfect closing. In many ways this track reminds me of another of my fave NO songs - "Guilty Partner" from Technique.

WFTSC and Turn are both excellent songs, but they are songs which appeal to those of us of a certain age. Draculas Castle prove that NO still have the power to capture the raw raucous energy of youth. A remixed version of this song could easily make the top 10, no probs. It confounds me that NO always leave their very best (and very marketable) songs on the albums, and release trash like Jetstream instead. Come on guys, remix this classic tune, and get it out!

A lot of people on this board don't like it, and while I do, it is unlikely to enthrall someone listening to it on the radio in my opinion.

I agree about the piano part. Although it's not my favorite track, it's still pretty good.

Dracula kicks ass. Those who say they loathe it, they probably say it probably because of the lame title and it's not even lame imo. Call it Minidisc if you like (or what was its original name anyway? ), it's still ace!

there were so many threads for Dracula's Castle until today. That means that is the most remarkable tune fron WFTSC album! Dracula's Castle contains all New Order's trademarks. For me is the most complete song of the album - love it.

Ok then Shug

I think this is an excellent track

I think Bizarre Love Trapozoid is on my side on this one :D

Shug wrote: I am on the side of Dracula's Castle is not very good.

In my opinion it would be the worst choice of single since Spooky.

Feel free to disagree:D

I like Spooky, and I especially like the remixes. Not very commercial though.

After 3 or 4 times playing it I loved "Dracula's castle". It was not love on the first tone... ;)

Dracula's Castle for me, is by far the best song of the album, followed by Turn and Who's Joe. Worst one is Jetsream, but its too late now i guess Anyways, WFTSC isnt bad and besides, its not too important which one is a single and which isnt...

have to admit that i really like this song in spite of the crap lyrics.

DC = Piss Poor Single

Better tracks on the lp. And why should there be a single for every damn song?

DC is fair enough for the album, but not for general public consumption. Though Turn is my favorite, I'd say release one more single and be done with it until the next album.

Oh, and that single should be Waiting For The Sirens' Call.

Shug wrote:

DoN wrote: I think Bizarre Love Trapozoid is on my side on this one :D

You've just proved my point. No-one listens to Bri. Case Closed M'Lud :arse: :D

Wait till Seattle wakes up!

NObabe wrote: Dracula kicks ass. Those who say they loathe it, they probably say it probably because of the lame title and it's not even lame imo. Call it Minidisc if you like (or what was its original name anyway? ), it's still ace!

Please dont assume. I actually quite like the title. I wouldnt say i dont like the song, however nothing impresses me about it. Not the piano, bassline, or lyrics.It justs seems generic.

The title track and Guilt are probably the more likely candidates for a single. You can make a case for Turn too I guess. I love Dracula's Castle but if it wasn't the 2nd single it won't be a single at all probably. In fact, if they haven't already, I doubt it will get played live.

All The Way is absolute magic from the opening bars through the lyrics and *ahem* all the way to the end!

Second best song on Technique, IMO, behind Dream Attack.

It's soft as shite.

I prefer my shite soft.

but he has to protect his image

Like humming YSF while in the tub?

did someone request my brilliant opinion on this tread? everyone but DoN is wrong, DC is brilliant. Shug, you need to clean the Green sludge from you ears (those are the big floppy things haning off the side of your face, sometimes you use them to fly) and give in to DC. I still haven't heard a valid criticism of hte song. You whiners either say it's a crap title or it's got shit lyrics. The intro is spectacular and it sounds more like Technique than anything else they've done.

RECAP (AKA Cliffs Notes for NOOL skimmers): DoN and BLT are masters of everything while Shug and AJ, secret lovers away from the forums, share more than a love of butt-sex, they also love to hate good songs and are nearly always wrong. Take AJ's statement that Ceremony on Substance is shite. Well, i may prefer the 7" but to say the rerecorded version is shite is going a bit Over the Top, a reaction i know too much about.

"Over the Top"? I knew it....

And Drac's Castle is okay some times but not others. It sounds like something they left off Get Ready. Doesn't have any edge to it and lacks the sort of majestic touch that songs it would like to be actually have (e.g., Run, Dream Attack).

no edge? you're too goth!

WHAT'S THE MATTER HERE? SOMETHING AIN'T RIGHT!

Dracula's castle is a pretty good song. Starts out with Hooky and the nice deep synth. The song is very well put together, has great Hooky lines and synth and guitar interludes, and Barney's vocals are even good, but imo there is nothing in particular in the song that strikes me to make me think it's a great song rather than just good.

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: no edge? you're too goth!

WHAT'S THE MATTER HERE? SOMETHING AIN'T RIGHT!

Doesn't hurt my feelings any. We "goths" have self-loathing built-in.

Seeing as I started this thread, I thought I might make a closing point. Its probably a good idea to remember that there are a mix of people here both from the States and the UK, and musical tastes in Britain, believe it or not, differ quite a lot from those across the pond. This is probably why Brits have virtually no idea of who crap like "Matchbox Twenty" are, and why New Order are worshipped in the UK, but virtually ignored in the States.

The point I was making about Draculas Castle is that (dare I say it) it is more British in sound than tracks like Turn and WFTSC, which have a more American feel. And if there are so many Yanks on this forum, I can understand why they like these tracks so much. I just think Draculas Castle has the potential to have a slightly faster techno or house remix which would go down well in the UK charts. As for the American charts, well, New Order have never fared very well in that department anyway.

i decided to test this theory.

europeans

gringos

i think 'who's joe?' would be a good single, better than DC which is pretty piss poor, they should do what prefab sprout did with 'when love breaks down' and re release jet stream 5 tmes till the chart buying people love it and it gets to no.1..................

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: did someone request my brilliant opinion on this tread? everyone but DoN is wrong, DC is brilliant. Shug, you need to clean the Green sludge from you ears (those are the big floppy things haning off the side of your face, sometimes you use them to fly) and give in to DC. I still haven't heard a valid criticism of hte song. You whiners either say it's a crap title or it's got shit lyrics. The intro is spectacular and it sounds more like Technique than anything else they've done.

RECAP (AKA Cliffs Notes for NOOL skimmers): DoN and BLT are masters of everything while Shug and AJ, secret lovers away from the forums, share more than a love of butt-sex, they also love to hate good songs and are nearly always wrong. Take AJ's statement that Ceremony on Substance is shite. Well, i may prefer the 7" but to say the rerecorded version is shite is going a bit Over the Top, a reaction i know too much about.

Couldnt have put it better myself!

DreamAttack wrote: Seeing as I started this thread, I thought I might make a closing point. Its probably a good idea to remember that there are a mix of people here both from the States and the UK, and musical tastes in Britain, believe it or not, differ quite a lot from those across the pond. This is probably why Brits have virtually no idea of who crap like "Matchbox Twenty" are, and why New Order are worshipped in the UK, but virtually ignored in the States.

The point I was making about Draculas Castle is that (dare I say it) it is more British in sound than tracks like Turn and WFTSC, which have a more American feel. And if there are so many Yanks on this forum, I can understand why they like these tracks so much. I just think Draculas Castle has the potential to have a slightly faster techno or house remix which would go down well in the UK charts. As for the American charts, well, New Order have never fared very well in that department anyway.

OH F*CK ME> you brits have some f*ckin frog song for the second WEEK in a row...

piss off.

your stereotypes are prejudiced and have no basis...

(for instance, do you have a clue how BIG America is??? how many different regions there are??? it is SILLY to even imagine there is a 'British' musical sensibility or an 'American' one.... everyone is different, from friggin town to town, even within the same house.... you *ss)

Theres no need for your way over the top offence at what was an observation, nothing more, nothing less. Why are some Yanks so defensive, its not like Im dissing your nation's bullshit foreign policy and arrogant President's nerve not to sign the Kyoto Treaty, despite being responsible for half of all the world's stinking pollution and climate change. I was making a valid comment about musical tastes, thats all. Is that so offensive to you, and is it so important in the great scheme of things?

I am not generalising, but it is a fact that some bands make it big in the United States and not in Britain, and vice versa. Quite why this is the case I really dont know, but it just is. And believe me, the difference between British music and continental European tastes is even more of a gaping chasm. They really dont half listen to some shite.

Anyway, in the end (according to the poll) "Draculas Castle" came out as a popular track, liked by both Yanks and Brits. But this is just a music discussion forum, not a snipe between the US and the UK, so please for God's sake chill out!! Both countries continue to produce great music. I still cant stand Matchbox Twenty though.

Oh and by the way, that goddam frog song is Swedish, and there is a national campaign over here to chop the little fucker's legs off.

DreamAttack wrote: Theres no need for your way over the top offence at what was an observation, nothing more, nothing less. Why are some Yanks so defensive, its not like Im dissing your nation's bullshit foreign policy and arrogant President's nerve not to sign the Kyoto Treaty, despite being responsible for half of all the world's stinking pollution and climate change. I was making a valid comment about musical tastes, thats all. Is that so offensive to you, and is it so important in the great scheme of things?

I am not generalising, but it is a fact that some bands make it big in the United States and not in Britain, and vice versa. Quite why this is the case I really dont know, but it just is. And believe me, the difference between British music and continental European tastes is even more of a gaping chasm. They really dont half listen to some shite.

Anyway, in the end (according to the poll) "Draculas Castle" came out as a popular track, liked by both Yanks and Brits. But this is just a music discussion forum, not a snipe between the US and the UK, so please for God's sake chill out!! Both countries continue to produce great music. I still cant stand Matchbox Twenty though.

Don't pay any mind to Tarbox. He doesn't speak for anyone but himself. That's why he generalizes that "you Brits" have prejudiced stereotypes.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

well my favorite song on the album is guilt is a usless emotion, but i really do like dracula' castle too, and i like jetstream; i really dont care what song is the next single just as long as its not working overtime, i dont care for that one to much.

Shug wrote:

Don't justify yersel to Tarby, he's the Queen of Drama on this site. You'll soon learn to read his posts, have a good laugh at how ridiculous he sounds and skip straight onto the next post.

No offence Tarby, but you are full of shite

yes, and don't we all know it!

look fellas, most of the time, yes, I admit it, I am just having a good laugh here. aren't we all?

so, yeah, 90% of the time I am causing trouble just for the sheer f*ck of it... and nobody even me can figure out what I am up to the other 10% of the time...

so, all you noobs (anyone signed up after me in 2001, and who weren't at live shows prior to 1986), just remember, I am right and you are wrong on all opinions, cause I am just inherently brighter than anyone else here. well, except for the folks here who I agree with, they are pretty smart too.

(and I know that you secretly DO read my posts, you liar!!!)

;)

(well, i guess this thread is finished, now that I hijacked it and there is nothing left to say but 'tarbox is the word')

:barf:

hmmm.. i fail to see the point of any DC detractor. the song's pretty damn great. the interaction between hooky's bass and the vocal is magic on the verses. the same can be said for phil's guitar on the chorus. and you can't beat the ending. this song has real drama and power imho.

Elias wrote: Dracula's Castle for me, is by far the best song of the album, followed by Turn and Who's Joe...

WTF?! You think Who's Joe is good?! I think that's the worst one on the album and doesn't represent New Order very well.:dead: I guess it's true what they say; "Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one." Don't take this as an attack on you. It's just the beer talking. :D

I think Dracula's Castle is a gem of an album track I don't think it should be released as a single though.

Well it's all about different tastes isn't it? I would say Who's Joe is the best thing on the album (and better than anything on GR or Republic for that matter).....although I loved Ruined in a Day too, maybe it's the chimes.......

Dracula's Castle is also excellent IMHO

Cheers

good song, but i don't think its a good choice for a single.

Steve Broad wrote: Dracula's Castle is also excellent IMHO

Cheers

What does imho stand for?

In my honest opinion.

szwajkos technique wrote:

Steve Broad wrote: Dracula's Castle is also excellent IMHO

Cheers

What does imho stand for?

Probably "in my humongous opinion.":D

thanks guys, im not good with acronyms, or spelling for that matter.

szwajkos technique wrote: thanks guys, im not good with acronyms, or spelling for that matter.

Well, you got "acronym" right.

:) Possibly.....I meant "humble" though!