Were New Order shite tonight?

For the down the front moshability and an event it was great and was most enjoybale (so good i was going up and down on a sprained ankle)! Musically as a gig I dont even think the most ardent fans can make the usual excuses how bad it was, therefore SHITE!

I'm glad the Autocue was fucked, at least it made Barney think about what he was singing....shame he couldnt think hard nuff to perform EGG though.

Temptation was the biggest balls up ever!!! Phil needs to sort his sequencer trampolining out cuz it drowns Barney out in the last third when his vocals are usually spot on.

Surprise of the night was how good Krafty was (didnt hold much hope prior), and a rousing LWTUA.

Hi to Steve(?) from Blackburn and his posse for sharing a beer down the front with me.

Lets hope EGG surfaces from the mud at Glasto!

He's not half bad at transmission I'll grant you, but he'd be a lot better at some of the songs that Ian sang in a mor Barney voice, mainly the earlier ones. I dunno if you ever heard NO playing No love lost in a soundcheck, but they are fucking incredible at it (mind you they are less shittered at the soundcheck so most things sound better).

Phill needs his fucking hands chopped off BTW for the wankery in temptation. I have no prob with him doing it, but doing anything unpredictable while any singer is at work is stoopid......nobbying about with yer gated keyboard while BARNEY is singing is just cruel.

Seriously tho, if you want a band to come on, shout "lets all rock and rool, i love it here in (where are we)" adn batter out a cd-perfect album.....you are in the wrong place.

And another thing, what's this "getting worse" crap? If anything I'd say they hit the highs (or at least avoid the lows) a tiny bit more than in their earlier days. Tho perhaps a senior Viking could comment on that as I'm only going by bootlegs.

Oh, and you may be wondering why I am so annoyed about this given my recent rantings about Barney. But my prob with Barney is not that he ballses up, CERTAINLY not that he gobshites inceasantly, and not that he sabotages songs he ( and most of the core audience) hate. Nope I only get angry at him when he does all that, then glares at hooky(or steve, gills or phil) for making an error....like some great conductor just heard the principle violin screech in the albert hall.....then he continues to waddle along screwing up at random and being happy about it.

I actually think NO ar the most coherent band I like in live terms. Most of the others not only make all the usual messes, but have the added joy of a mutable arrangement on the tracks to deal with. the Orb for instance could shame New Order in terms of fuckups per hour, and I love them.

And I am STILL waiting for nominations for "band who play well live"

STOP GIGGING!!!!!!! I know everyones entitled to an opinion but stop gigging?? NO Regret should be chucked off the site for daring to suggest such a thing. Stop gigging.............. unbefukinlievable. Remember Reading 93 when we all thought we'd seen the last New Order gig? Not nice.

Steve Campbell wrote: He's not half bad at transmission I'll grant you, but he'd be a lot better at some of the songs that Ian sang in a mor Barney voice, mainly the earlier ones. I dunno if you ever heard NO playing No love lost in a soundcheck, but they are fucking incredible at it (mind you they are less shittered at the soundcheck so most things sound better).

Phill needs his fucking hands chopped off BTW for the wankery in temptation. I have no prob with him doing it, but doing anything unpredictable while any singer is at work is stoopid......nobbying about with yer gated keyboard while BARNEY is singing is just cruel.

Seriously tho, if you want a band to come on, shout "lets all rock and rool, i love it here in (where are we)" adn batter out a cd-perfect album.....you are in the wrong place.

And another thing, what's this "getting worse" crap? If anything I'd say they hit the highs (or at least avoid the lows) a tiny bit more than in their earlier days. Tho perhaps a senior Viking could comment on that as I'm only going by bootlegs.

Oh, and you may be wondering why I am so annoyed about this given my recent rantings about Barney. But my prob with Barney is not that he ballses up, CERTAINLY not that he gobshites inceasantly, and not that he sabotages songs he ( and most of the core audience) hate. Nope I only get angry at him when he does all that, then glares at hooky(or steve, gills or phil) for making an error....like some great conductor just heard the principle violin screech in the albert hall.....then he continues to waddle along screwing up at random and being happy about it.

I actually think NO ar the most coherent band I like in live terms. Most of the others not only make all the usual messes, but have the added joy of a mutable arrangement on the tracks to deal with. the Orb for instance could shame New Order in terms of fuckups per hour, and I love them.

And I am STILL waiting for nominations for "band who play well live"

Decent live bands Coldplay U2 Chilli Peppers Athlete Interpol The Killers Manic Street Preachers Blur to name but some.

Steve Campbell wrote: Ten points to AJ for his comment.

Glad you mentioned that Delilah, I dislike JD soungs being presented as "the big rock number". And it's not just the crowd who are to blame, Barney's constant "c'mon"ing is a pain. I really wish they would leave the JD songs alone, they were written for Ian's voice and very few suit Barney.And they NEVER play the ones that would.

I'm bored of explaining the set-list thing to some people around here. I get the feeling that those who understand have already grasped it, and the rest never will no mater how often i repeat it. But one more time anyway....

No excuse for not playing anything accoustic. The old electronic based peices require rebuilding from the ground up to play on current cack, lots fo work. If anyone wants to tell me what a piece of piss this would be....download one of the NO midi files from here (which is more than they have for most songs) and see how long it takes you to make it sound like a perfect NO instrumental. Of course, I don't much care for the studio-perfect mimed backing tapes, I'd rather they lashed up something to play the song in whatever form.

Steve - I understand the problems of re-programming the old electronic stuff. On the other hand if they wanted to do a few of them, it COULD be done. My point is, WHY are they content to restrict themselves to a limited pool of material from such an amazing back catalogue.

On the subject of fuck-ups. I don't mind 'em, it's part of what they are. But last night B sang Blue Monday like he had contempt for the song, and that's sad.

Will they do EGG tonight? Of course not.

redeyedboy wrote: For the down the front moshability and an event it was great and was most enjoybale (so good i was going up and down on a sprained ankle)! Musically as a gig I dont even think the most ardent fans can make the usual excuses how bad it was, therefore SHITE!

I'm glad the Autocue was fucked, at least it made Barney think about what he was singing....shame he couldnt think hard nuff to perform EGG though.

Temptation was the biggest balls up ever!!! Phil needs to sort his sequencer trampolining out cuz it drowns Barney out in the last third when his vocals are usually spot on.

Surprise of the night was how good Krafty was (didnt hold much hope prior), and a rousing LWTUA.

Hi to Steve(?) from Blackburn and his posse for sharing a beer down the front with me.

Lets hope EGG surfaces from the mud at Glasto!

Were you on the train back to Rugby later on mate?.Or did you stay down there the night?.I was probably moshin against you at the gig!.I got soaked in the rain getting back from Rugby station to my house at 1am.Love it

i was neither at the show, or listened to it. I checked out the setlist, and wondered why they even put a new album out. They only play 3 songs from it. Dont they want to sell this album. Sometimes you dont realize the greatness of song until it is played in a live setting. Sort of like sex in that way.

no one ever told you not to piss off a man in a celtic shirt then? LOL at the list of "good bands" U2...roflmao, I've heard U2 gigs where they make NO sound like zappa. Coldplay have a tuning problem it seems and Blur might as well BE new order considering the variation in ther peformances.

I thought that was a grat gig last night, mayhaps you're just sore cos they just took the piss out of you at NYC for 2 hrs.

Point of order: fan is short for fanatic....one and the same thing.

And therein lies much insight.

You EXPECT bands to play perfectly, so you expect 2 new order gigs with the same setlist to be the same.

NO have never played the same song twice the same way....if they did yuo could stay home and turn the album up instead of going to gig.

Steve Campbell wrote: And therein lies much insight.

You EXPECT bands to play perfectly, so you expect 2 new order gigs with the same setlist to be the same.

NO have never played the same song twice the same way....if they did yuo could stay home and turn the album up instead of going to gig.

your right!! However, from what i heard the songs have not been too different, to take great notice. I do not expect them to play perfectly. The fact that barney fucks up so much, i find charming.

Ok, so we're all pals again :) except....you cursed your post....as SOON as I tried to read it, my monitor killed itself and stayed that way for 15 mins.

Burn him I say burn him :)

Steve Campbell wrote: Ok, so we're all pals again :) except....you cursed your post....as SOON as I tried to read it, my monitor killed itself and stayed that way for 15 mins.

Burn him I say burn him :)[/quote

What did i say, dont mess with brooklyn?

I agree with one of your prior postings, just play the songs in any format. They dont need to get all technology savy on us. EGG would be good any way.

I think it was mistake getting phil in the band. Its not that i dont likehim, but maybe they should of hired someone that knows their eletronic gadgets. Maybe just for their shows, someone like one of the chemical brothers.

I gotta say, that's a superb Idea....losing phil-in and gettng a chemical brother to do it....someone who's skills go beyond pressing a button, AND who's a fan.

Beers are also a good idea....apart from those bastard antibiotics, which will kill me if I try...ARSE!.

PS...Shug, you know full well it's coming that time of the year when us Hun have to burn something, ANYTHING....our own corner shops if nothing better can be found:)

run wild deserves the acoustic setting, I just dont like it all rocky.

Johnny wrote: Were you on the train back to Rugby later on mate?.Or did you stay down there the night?.I was probably moshin against you at the gig!.I got soaked in the rain getting back from Rugby station to my house at 1am.Love it

No stayed down there (30 mins to back to Wembley Park station) looking at the new Wembley Stadium from our Travel Inn window. Just pissed off that we got to the area too late to meet up at the Audsley...i even printed AJ's map out. My other half loves Moby so had to watch him...thought he was very good and "Go" always sends shivers!

delilah wrote: Really wasn't bothered about Barney messing up the lyrics. Looks like the autocue had the night off and we should cut Barney a bit of slack - 25 yrs of substance abuse may have affected his ability to remember the words but he still writes cracking songs and we should be grateful for that!

While I like the fact that they do some JD stuff what hacked me off most last night was some of the audience turning it into a bloody singalong, like LWTUA is NO's 'Angels'...hated that, swear I could feel Ian turning in his grave and was embarrassed and wished I wasn't there at that point. Or am I just being an old fart?

autocue had the night off?

what's this in front of barney then?

Steve Campbell wrote:

PS...Shug, you know full well it's coming that time of the year when us Hun have to burn something, ANYTHING....our own corner shops if nothing better can be found:)

Yeah, I was up there yesterday - passed through Portadown - never seen so many pallets piled up before in my life (its the first time i felt conspicuous driving up there in my dublin reg van). 'Course down here, in my wife's area, for their halloween bonfire they used to nick 6 cars & pile them on top of each other, surround with wood & tyres & burn the lot. . . . used to get pretty warm, that lot.

I've just listened to it thanks to Spotnick. Good gig in my opinion, though I expected "Turn" and "Who's Joe?"...

CuanaD wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote:

PS...Shug, you know full well it's coming that time of the year when us Hun have to burn something, ANYTHING....our own corner shops if nothing better can be found:)

Yeah, I was up there yesterday - passed through Portadown - never seen so many pallets piled up before in my life (its the first time i felt conspicuous driving up there in my dublin reg van). 'Course down here, in my wife's area, for their halloween bonfire they used to nick 6 cars & pile them on top of each other, surround with wood & tyres & burn the lot. . . . used to get pretty warm, that lot.

Can always tell how deep the summer's shit will be by how tall and how ealy the bonfires are.

If you can see em over the houses in April, take a long holiday.

No they were not shite- they were FUCKIN' ACE!

The imperfections are all part of the love affair.

Great to see them playing the anti-War LOVE VIGILANTIES and to see Hooky and Barney wearing their MAKE POVERTY HISTORY wrist bands.

"Q GNITE".

Well I've listened and relistened, and to the shite-sayers I say this. Up yer bum !

one of the best sets I've heard from them. yeah there were screwups (BM was NOT one of them), but they confined them to about half of each of two tracks, the rest was awesome.

I mean FFS Barney rediscovered his ability to play lightning fast flawless punkfunk guitar (eg...LV).

As for there gooning around, I was in forum conversation with barney's girl last night and a phrase sprang to mind.....

"there are the chief heretics of their own religion".

Whereas the likes of that Bongo fella (and most other star types) go out of their way to cultivate and preserve the myth of their godhood....New Order have just had it grow around them based on their music, and spend as much time as possible trying to prove they are not uberserious rock gods.

WE think they are this that and the other....but THEY think they're just 4 twats what play tunes....most people in bands[1] that are in any way good or interesting are like that, it's only the earpolluting morons who think they rule.

Hearing new order play is an involving experience for me and many others because of this....you KNOW they are just people, like the rest of us, you know you could play nearly as well.... yet somehow, something indefinable lifts what they do far above there level of skill or technical competancy. And that's why we deify them, that "something" that we cannot hope to see or understand in them ( I say in them, because we all have that something, and the only place you'll ever see it is in yourself)....so we equate it to magic and make them gods.

then they have a pantomime horse on stage and we scream "Blasphemy!!!!" How silly of us. "we were the coolest band in the world until you did that" ROFLMAO.

And even the most critical failed-guitarist-talentless-pillock-music-journo could not in good conscience say a band were shite because ONE member of it screwed up 2 songs......and shot a third in each toe one at a time :)

[1]in most bands the exception will of course be lead guit/lead vox....and god help you if they are the same guy) they ery often dribbling egomaniacs convinced they have a message to sing about or that they can change the world thru hammer-ons and double stops.

lol. yup i watched as barney started to dance, then relised it was time for the courus, lol, at glastonbury, but hey thats barney for ya, been watching new order for as long as i care to remember, in my opinion there fecking great......