Were New Order shite tonight?

Were New Order shite tonight at Hyde Park?

I thought they were.

new Order are shite evertime they play live. it's only the alcohol and friends that make the event worthwhile.

lets wait for those that spend tons of money on the ORder to tell us differently.

They made a pigs cock of 3 songs, everything else was wonderful, one of the best gigs i've heard them do.

I'd rather have shite than mimed:)

Pretty good, I thought.

And I don't spend tons of money on them.

Why did you think they were shite?

delilah wrote: Pretty good, I thought.

And I don't spend tons of money on them.

Why did you think they were shite?

They sounded very inept and nervous. Barney forgot more lyrics than usual. Pigs ear isnt the word!!!

If they were good and pro-fesh-on-al we wouldn't have anything to talk about

delilah wrote: Pretty good, I thought.

And I don't spend tons of money on them.

Why did you think they were shite?

so they've played the same set (nearly) for how long now. they should have it down to a science at this point and who doesn't know the lyrics to Blue Monday?

as per the "if they were perfect we wouldn't have anything to talk about" bullsh!t...

So fans of bands who can actually perform live never talk about the shows like: OMG, the were so good tonight, ___ nailed the intro perfectly OR..did you hear the extended intro to _______ it was sublime. Why do New Order fans feel like they need to excuse their inability to perform live? I love the band to death and my displeasure with their live abilities doesn't affect my opinion but it's frustrating that they basically do MIME the show. Tons of prerecorded stuff, predictable set list and an increasingly predictable choice of "banter" between songs. The truth is: New Order cannot play live but they are my favorite band anyway. It's fun to see them but they are embarrasing themselves these days. Bring on the Vegas stage!

Look. Barney is shy, he does not want to be a front man. He does not have vocalist disease.

He fucks up right left and centre, the rest of them rarely do. I would rather hear someone screw up like that and show the music comes from within, than have them go thru the motions ("get it down to a science" as you put it....it's an art). They were enjoying themselves tonight and that SHINES outta tem more than any other band, because they never fake it.

As for bands that play flawlessly live all the time....

hmmm....one of the incarnations of "the mothers" maybe? Rush?

And yes I am TRULY upset by the HD recorder on stage, it is disgusting to have a tape when a living machine could play the part and offer the performer more options as well as creating a few of it's own (the slightlynarrow's machines are considered full band members). The most offensive thing about it is that way back when they were the legend that NEVER mimed, their gear was clunky and explosive. Now the machines needed to pull that off completely live should be reliable.....but no, stick it on tape so it's the same every night.

I'm gonna say this once more BTW.....Barney deliberately sabotages songs!!! (you heard 050505?)

1.30 am just got back.Were they good tonight?.Ermm.. all i can remember is that mental fuckin mosh pit!.Never known anything like that level of madness before. Big thanks to Shugz who sorted me out with a ticket.And a big hello to the NOOLERS i met for the first time in The Audley.Sanjay,John and John from Newcastle,Neil, John Sludden, Helen ,Nuts and a couple of re:Order.I even met Rocket Mick! .I was in the grey Procession/EGG 7" T SHIRT.Sorry i lost you all in the mosh and i had to rush back to Euston straight afterwards. I do remember the start of the gig Bernard saying something about the sponsors 02 and the "queer channel" (Channel 4)

Hopefully i can listen back to the gig now if it`s taped ok off Xfm thru Sky Digital.

Steve Campbell wrote: Look. Barney is shy, he does not want to be a front man. He does not have vocalist disease.

Absolutely true.

that's not to say his personality defects don;t run to 15 heavy volumes......but he's not afflicted with THAT particular disorder, loathesome as it is.

I think Barney tries too hard when singing. He should be more firm like Ian during JD songs. Its like the vocals lack attention in JD songs but he cries for attention in other songs.

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

delilah wrote: Pretty good, I thought.

And I don't spend tons of money on them.

Why did you think they were shite?

so they've played the same set (nearly) for how long now. they should have it down to a science at this point and who doesn't know the lyrics to Blue Monday?

as per the "if they were perfect we wouldn't have anything to talk about" bullsh!t...

So fans of bands who can actually perform live never talk about the shows like: OMG, the were so good tonight, ___ nailed the intro perfectly OR..did you hear the extended intro to _______ it was sublime. Why do New Order fans feel like they need to excuse their inability to perform live? I love the band to death and my displeasure with their live abilities doesn't affect my opinion but it's frustrating that they basically do MIME the show. Tons of prerecorded stuff, predictable set list and an increasingly predictable choice of "banter" between songs. The truth is: New Order cannot play live but they are my favorite band anyway. It's fun to see them but they are embarrasing themselves these days. Bring on the Vegas stage!

Spot on my friend. If you saw a band like this at the pub say they would have the p*ss taken out of them big time or even beaten up. What was he singing on Run Wild? (something about "satan"?). and he just messed up so many times. Thats a shame as the Finsbury Park gig 3 years back was pretty flawless. I think they should call it a day on gigging. Hope they do better in front of 100,000 Glastonbury revellers tonight!

Steve Campbell wrote: Look. Barney is shy, he does not want to be a front man. He does not have vocalist disease.

He fucks up right left and centre, the rest of them rarely do. I would rather hear someone screw up like that and show the music comes from within, than have them go thru the motions ("get it down to a science" as you put it....it's an art). They were enjoying themselves tonight and that SHINES outta tem more than any other band, because they never fake it.

As for bands that play flawlessly live all the time....

hmmm....one of the incarnations of "the mothers" maybe? Rush?

And yes I am TRULY upset by the HD recorder on stage, it is disgusting to have a tape when a living machine could play the part and offer the performer more options as well as creating a few of it's own (the slightlynarrow's machines are considered full band members). The most offensive thing about it is that way back when they were the legend that NEVER mimed, their gear was clunky and explosive. Now the machines needed to pull that off completely live should be reliable.....but no, stick it on tape so it's the same every night.

I'm gonna say this once more BTW.....Barney deliberately sabotages songs!!! (you heard 050505?)

I would rather hear a band which doesnt go out of its way to fuck up songs. I mean they must have played these songs hundreds of times and most of joe public could play these songs. So why do they get intros, words, sound levels so wrong? All they really need is a bit more conviction. The joking between songs takes away the magic of the music.

I listened to the webcast, & I thought they were top class! I love when Bernard fucks up the lyrics - makes them up on the spot - Otto Q. kinda bores me caus he spends more time reading it than relaxing & playing. With the machenary f-ed up the band relaxed more & sounded great to these ears

Al Jarvis wrote:

NO Regret wrote: Were New Order shite tonight at Hyde Park?

I thought they were.

Er, you live in London but posted this at 22:51?!

You must've rushed home from the gig?!

Er, or simply didn't bother to go?!

Probably the latter.

What can I say. The London Underground are vastly unappeciated!

Neither shite nor great. Enjoyed BLT, LWTUA, WFTSC, Transmission but....

...no surprises. Look, I know the subject has been done to death but WHY play the likes of BM any more? They don't like it, Barney can't be arsed to remember when to come in, so what's the point. I don't for a minute believe that the recd company requires them to play the 'big hits' only, and even if they did, there's nothing to stop them playing non-programmed guitar-based stuff like AOC, Ceremony, Lonesome Tonight, Leave Me Alone, once in a while. They don't look like they're enjoying playing at least half of their songs anymore. They've got a (great) new album out - where's I Told You So? They would have that programmed in. Where's Who's Joe? When I first heard that, I imagined it blowing the world apart live, with that massive chorus. Where's Working Overtime? That would be a cracking irreverent romp and would liven up the set hugely. I don't expect it's gonna be like seeing them in the 1980's, obviously not. They're older and they're not hungry anymore. I don't begrudge them cruising through a set on autopilot, they don't owe us anything. It just saddens me that a group that still have what it takes to make great music (proof = the new album) simply can't be bothered to take a risk or two live. A band that were once afraid of nothing, are now reduced to this. I question the idea of doing the JD stuff anymore. Transmission and LWTUA escaped relatively unmangled apart from Barney's ridiculous shouts and whoops in the latter. (Side point : I only realised last night that Steve plays the rhythm for this in the faster 'disco' style of the B-side version, rather than the A-side double hi-hat. It also sounds good with the synth line played in an octave lower.) Anyway...they didn't seem to want to do She's Lost Control and it dragged. Barney simply can't sing Atmosphere either.

So I'm confused - I genuinely don't understand why they're going through the motions like this. As artists who have just proved that they're still up there with the best EVER on the new album, how can this live bollocks be fulfilling to them? What did I expect really? With all the reports of the foreign gigs, I expected to be disappointed. And I was. I'm just disappointed to be disappointed when they still mean so much to me.

Yeah some of the setlist choices are a bit disappointing but nothing we can really do about it, and I think that what was there was great! Didn't notice the rain at all, and I felt proud holding up 12' of Lowlife and Closer which I picked up earlier in the day. Saw Peter Saville wandering around after the gig, got my Closer sleeve signed! One of the best nights ever!

Really wasn't bothered about Barney messing up the lyrics. Looks like the autocue had the night off and we should cut Barney a bit of slack - 25 yrs of substance abuse may have affected his ability to remember the words but he still writes cracking songs and we should be grateful for that!

While I like the fact that they do some JD stuff what hacked me off most last night was some of the audience turning it into a bloody singalong, like LWTUA is NO's 'Angels'...hated that, swear I could feel Ian turning in his grave and was embarrassed and wished I wasn't there at that point. Or am I just being an old fart?

NO weren't shite. Their equipment was. I think the 'twat' statement on the mixing desk was apt

Ten points to AJ for his comment.

Glad you mentioned that Delilah, I dislike JD soungs being presented as "the big rock number". And it's not just the crowd who are to blame, Barney's constant "c'mon"ing is a pain. I really wish they would leave the JD songs alone, they were written for Ian's voice and very few suit Barney.And they NEVER play the ones that would.

I'm bored of explaining the set-list thing to some people around here. I get the feeling that those who understand have already grasped it, and the rest never will no mater how often i repeat it. But one more time anyway....

No excuse for not playing anything accoustic. The old electronic based peices require rebuilding from the ground up to play on current cack, lots fo work. If anyone wants to tell me what a piece of piss this would be....download one of the NO midi files from here (which is more than they have for most songs) and see how long it takes you to make it sound like a perfect NO instrumental. Of course, I don't much care for the studio-perfect mimed backing tapes, I'd rather they lashed up something to play the song in whatever form.

Oh,,,,,I would very much appreciate those who say NO suck like posting a list of bands who play perfectly live, cos I would really love to hear such a thing. Of course I suspect susch thing comes somewhere between Hobby-horse shite and chicken's pish on the rarity scale. Points deducted if band dont have to play to sequencers ( cos it means they have no external timebase to work to and can drift out of time without anyone noticing) Not quite like that Hull or swansea gig where they play accoustic for 2 mins before machines drop back in in PERFECT time....yeah shite.

well i just about made it to a pub in picadilly after for 10.45.Anyway without getting involved in the technical side of things,i had a stomping good time and i am bloody sure the vast majority of people did.at the end of the day thats all that matters.Extremely worth a trip down from Lancashire

I don't mind the JD songs like, but I don't think Atmosphere translates well live (even in the Joy Division days) just seems more suited to its studio production. But still they ones they do are kind of JD's 'hits'. It would be good to hear something like New Dawn Fades or 24 Hours if we have to hear songs by them.

I was just glad to be there. First NO gig since Wembley Dec 87.

Good to speak to those that I managed to talk to. Shame I had to meet someone and by the time we got back to the pub it was rammed and just uncomfortable.

I just wish that they would play a couple of tracks from Technique. David Sultan told me that they played EGG in the soundcheck, so why the hell can't they play it in the gig?

Anyhow, I really enjoyed it apart from the rain and the fact that I simply over heated. At least there was only a slight drizzle when they were on as opposed to the depuge earlier on.

Steve Campbell wrote:

Glad you mentioned that Delilah, I dislike JD soungs being presented as "the big rock number". And it's not just the crowd who are to blame, Barney's constant "c'mon"ing is a pain. I really wish they would leave the JD songs alone, they were written for Ian's voice and very few suit Barney.And they NEVER play the ones that would.

I think he handles Transmission OK...