last great NO song?

What was the last truly great New Order song?

I my opinion, Here to Stay stomps all over everything on the last two albums, would be their most recent high water mark.

here to stay, also, and fittingly it was never on a proper album. Wftsc has few almost great ones.

"Here to stay" is really nice... But "Such a good thing" is a bit greater in my opinion.

Spotnick wrote: Waiting For The Sirens' Call (the song)...

Classic by all means.

I absolutely agree. I love Here To Stay, but I think WFTSC is one of those classic, truly great NO songs.

Okay Get Ready

Rock the Shack

Seriously there last Great Song to me is Regret

Its gotta be Crystal...that song is as good as anything new order has ever done

Here to Stay was the last one that gave me goosebumps.

Defintitely WFTSC (and Turn as well).

Crystal

Too powerful to ignore.

Turn - my #3 favorite of all-time.

HERE TO STAY..........but then i went!:D

TURN is a great song; prior to that REGRET also ranks in recent-ish great songs.

Spotnick wrote: Waiting For The Sirens' Call (the song)...

Classic by all means.

I have to agree with this.

here to stay rocks my shack.

WFTSC defo ranks as a classic, before that Here to stay

Spotnick wrote: Waiting For The Sirens' Call (the song)...

Classic by all means.

Aye...the latest classic songHere's to many more

WFTSC and before that, Here To Stay

twist wrote: Crystal

Too powerful to ignore.

In terms of greatness it's Crystal. Here to stay was excellent but not one that appears in many people's all time top 5.

Wonder if they've got any more true 'greats' left in 'em?

Last "great" song......Regret

David Lubetsky wrote: Its gotta be Crystal...that song is as good as anything new order has ever done

Especially the album version

i recently invested in the New order in session Cd and i'm really into there updated version of True Faith...but i wouldn't class that as there last great song i'd have to say.........jetstream without a doubt

WFTSC!

Paul Trowell wrote: Last "great" song......Regret

I think Regret is their best song of the 90's and 00's, but I think that WFTSC is very nearly up to par with it.

"Crystal" was the last song of theirs that made me go "wow" on the current album a lot of good solid ones, but no WOW song

Turn is ok. Also Primitive Notion.

Run Wild or WFTSC

Last 3 great choons: Here to Stay WFTSC

I know most will disagree, but I also love Vietnam

Depressing...

Who's Joe

got all the ingredients.

Hurt

LE Roberts wrote: Turn - my #3 favorite of all-time.

My #1.

wftsc would be a contender but if talking TRUELY MADLY GREAT, i suppose crystal.before that would be dream attack

yes yes Here to Stay is a great song...

but the latest is I Told You So... I'm sure a lot of you will disagree, but spend some time with it and try to appreciate its genius. so much cool shit goes on and it's still catchy as hell.

Chuckles wrote: yes yes Here to Stay is a great song...

but the latest is I Told You So... I'm sure a lot of you will disagree, but spend some time with it and try to appreciate its genius. so much cool shit goes on and it's still catchy as hell.

It's nice to see someone saying something positive about this one.

Patrick wrote:

Chuckles wrote: yes yes Here to Stay is a great song...

but the latest is I Told You So... I'm sure a lot of you will disagree, but spend some time with it and try to appreciate its genius. so much cool shit goes on and it's still catchy as hell.

It's nice to see someone saying something positive about this one.

i feel the same way. Its been really underlooked. Its more experimental then anything new order has done lately.

I don't think anybody has mentioned Behind Closed Doors yet It's better than anything off WFTSC or GR. Here to Stay was refreshing after the appalling Get Ready mess, but it is only really average; in fact it couldn't compete even with the weakest tracks off Substance...

Hmmmm...

Here To Stay or Shame of the Nation? Primitive Notion vs Subculture?

I have to say that i wholeheartedly disagree

Crystal. No doubt.

bansheeman wrote: if talking TRUELY MADLY GREAT, i suppose crystal.before that would be dream attack

Exactly what I think.

Uncle Liam wrote: Hmmmm...

Here To Stay or Shame of the Nation? Primitive Notion vs Subculture?

To clarify I meant to say Substance Disc 1. I think of disc 2 as a bonus addition.

I accept Primitive Notion is one of the stronger tracks on GR. While I have never heard a favourable version of Sub-Culture (the Low-Life mix is even worse) I think it is a better song than Primitive Notion. Sub-Culture has a musical grandeaur about it that is blended with sexual frustration and sleaze, which makes a rare amalgam.

Primitive Notion is by contrast quite a yawn...

if WFTSC gets brilliant remix work done, it has the potential to be way up there in the grandios new order remix tradition...easily

my fingers are SOOOO crossed

Since the band got back together, they've produced Here to Stay, Crystal, Waiting for the Sirens Call and Turn. Add to that, Primitive Notion, Someone Like You, Behind Closed Doors, Krafty, Who's Joe.... finished? Like fuck.

One song, its so hard to chose on, but Crystal, Here To Stay and Close Range. rock the house

Here to stay was great at the times we had to wait for a new album. Now the we have it, I do think WFTSC is a powerful song,their best last song, with Jetstream not far behind.

Dracula's Castle cause its after WFTSC into the album

Crystal

In reverse chronological order: -Waiting For The Sirens' Call -Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Mac Quayle Vocal Mix) -Here To Stay -Crystal

Since Technique (i.e in the past 16 years), IMHO, New Order have only recorded three truly great (much over-used word, that) songs:

• Regret (1993)
• Here To Stay (2002)
• WFTSC (2005)

Not very prolific, even if these three are majestic beyond mere words.

last truly great songs:

crystal and before that regret. WFTSC is not as good as these two songs (it's personal of course). The first two song are real neck-hair-raiser imo.

I don't think we'll really know just how good WFTSC is until a few years have passed. What seems like a good track now will seem a classic when we look back in 5 years. I'm sure this will be the case for 4 or 5 tracks on WFTSC, including the title track. Krafty is another Regret to me. And I think we've yet to hear the 'last' great New Order song. It'll be on the next album.

georgo konstantinidis wrote: Dracula's Castle cause its after WFTSC into the album

Didn't get it - Is it because DC is a good one or because WFTSC is?

1 Turn 2 Waiting For The Sirens Call 3 Krafty 4 Run Wild 5 Slow Jam 6 Turn My Way 7 Crystal 8 Regret 9 Young Offender 10 All The Way

Yeah, Sirens or Krafty for me but if i had to narrow it down to one i'd go for sirens (sheer class)

SLOW JAM?

Turn

Broken promise, nuff said.

King of Nothing wrote: Turn

Who's Joe WFTSC

Interesting point from Chris about how a lot of the new stuff will sound like classics in a few years. I'm inclined to agree although I thought that about a few of the songs from Get Ready. Apart from Crystal, listening to that album now I'm not so sure, maybe it was because it was just great to get a new album from them.

I reckon it won't be the case with the best tunes from WFTSC.

Regret, Here to stay, all brilliant.

Crystal is my favourite NO song, probably, but I'd say WFTSC is an instant classic. God damn good stuff!

King of Nothing wrote: Turn

Here to stay (the best for the last 15 years)

Crystal Turn Turn my way Who's joe Krafty (but only the remixes)

Here To Stay. I can't see it being equalled any time soon.

Needs a good sound system to get full effect, its the song that made me notice the equaliser was all wrong on my Sony CD changer

I really like waiting and krafty as well as player in the league, but I have to say that most NO tunes have a vintage age that shows their true potential. Right now all the NO fans have had all these expectations that the current music should be revolutionary like their previous stuff, but the fact is is that NO are really writing from the same vein, its just the alternatives are too diverse really to be so different from NO.

Substance Abuser

TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ! According to me, this is THE very last great NO song. But I must admit that this song is challenged by "Here to stay"...

The 'last' great NO song is the next one! WFTSC sends shivers down my spine and deserves to be ranked as what I would call a 'modern' NO classic, along with Regret & Crystal. I'm hoping that one day, someone will not only explain the meaning of life to me (not the Monty Python movie), as well as the reason for WFTSC not being the first or second single released off the album. DR

Chris owen wrote: I don't think we'll really know just how good WFTSC is until a few years have passed. What seems like a good track now will seem a classic when we look back in 5 years. I'm sure this will be the case for 4 or 5 tracks on WFTSC, including the title track. Krafty is another Regret to me. And I think we've yet to hear the 'last' great New Order song. It'll be on the next album.

I dont get all this crap about WFTSC being a classic in years to come. Regret was instantly gripping. I dont need to play a song a million times over five years to work out if its good or not. Its not rocket science. You either like it or you dont. I loved Get Ready in 2001 and I love it now. Nothing in five years will make me change my mind about WFTSC. Its an ok album.

Who's Joe

followed closely by

I Told You So Here To Stay

Regret

Off the new album I'd say Turn and Krafty were probably the best but they're not great, they're just nice. The last great NO song would hav to be Here To Stay, shame they don't do it live really

i'm the only one to think TURN is the most generic song on the new album.

behind closed doors

Aleph via Krafty wrote: Who's Joe

followed closely by

I Told You So Here To Stay

Who's Joe's great, but I TOLD YOU SO?! NOOOOOOOOO!

WFTSC is wonderful. It's the best traveling song ever, it was my soundtrack for Turin and it will remain my traveling soundtrack forever (unless they make an even better one). I loved it in Turin, especially because it was a beautiful stary night. I keep humming it wherever I go.

Here to Stay, but then Guilt is a Useless Emotion is just as good.

WFTSC(song) is a great NO song, but the only one on the album, crystal was the only great one on Get Ready. RTS sadly makes that the worst NO album ever...

RedKen wrote: WFTSC(song) is a great NO song, but the only one on the album, crystal was the only great one on Get Ready. RTS sadly makes that the worst NO album ever...

I think 'WFTSC' and 'Turn' are both 'great' so they would be the last two in my opinion. I agree that 'Crystal' was probably the only 'great' song on Get Ready, although from a personal point of view I actually prefer 'Primitive Notion'. Whilst 'Rock the Shack' wasn't one of my favourites on Get Ready I don't think a dislike of one song can make it their worst album ever. I'm not fussed on 'Jetstream' but I still think WFTSC is a superb album.

In general though, there are loads of NO songs that we may not regard as great by their own high standards but they are, nevertheless, a lot stronger than some of the trash out there.

Julie wrote:

RedKen wrote: WFTSC(song) is a great NO song, but the only one on the album, crystal was the only great one on Get Ready. RTS sadly makes that the worst NO album ever...

I think 'WFTSC' and 'Turn' are both 'great' so they would be the last two in my opinion. I agree that 'Crystal' was probably the only 'great' song on Get Ready, although from a personal point of view I actually prefer 'Primitive Notion'. Whilst 'Rock the Shack' wasn't one of my favourites on Get Ready I don't think a dislike of one song can make it their worst album ever. I'm not fussed on 'Jetstream' but I still think WFTSC is a superb album.

In general though, there are loads of NO songs that we may not regard as great by their own high standards but they are, nevertheless, a lot stronger than some of the trash out there.

fair point julie...