WTFSC Single Press Release & Artwork - 3x7" + 2 tracks CD Single

Let's hope the radio stations pay it some attention.

Hopefully all formats will be released on the same day; otherwise there's going to be a lot of confusion (par for the course?).

Spotnick wrote: I'm still asking for the CD and DVD singles... don't worry.

But it says "will be released on three separate 7's only"

Old Blue wrote:

Spotnick wrote: I'm still asking for the CD and DVD singles... don't worry.

But it says "will be released on three separate 7's only"

Yeah!! WTF is that about???

Can someone over there get a fucking clue??

((((e))))

The stupidity of record companies is truly breathtaking.

Perhaps the real explanation is simply a desire to focus all attention on the DVD and the singles compilation without formally cancelling the WFTSC single.

My two cents on the matter:

After "Jetstream" being such a "hit", my guess is that Warner wasn't so keen on a 3rd single release. But the band (Barney, that is...) wanted it badly, so a compromise was found. The 7" only release is obviously marketed for the collectors, ie us, not for the general audience!

Monsieur Round & Round wrote: My two cents on the matter:

After "Jetstream" being such a "hit", my guess is that Warner wasn't so keen on a 3rd single release. But the band (Barney, that is...) wanted it badly, so a compromise was found. The 7" only release is obviously marketed for the collectors, ie us, not for the general audience!

Well, I, at least, don't collect vinyl.

Spotnick wrote: Ok, continuing my correspondance with the person who sent me the press release...

The record company actually feel that by releasing the single in this format they'll be giving something back (?!) to the fans, as they're providing something that's really collectible and special.

I have left out the rest of the email, I think it was meant to remain private, but I'd agree with one thing she said.. they might have overlooked the fact that many people won't even be able to listen to it.

See my earlier comment on the stupidity of record companies.

Spotnick wrote: Ok, continuing my correspondance with the person who sent me the press release...

The record company actually feel that by releasing the single in this format they'll be giving something back (?!) to the fans, as they're providing something that's really collectible and special.

I have left out the rest of the email, I think it was meant to remain private, but I'd agree with one thing she said.. they might have overlooked the fact that many people won't even be able to listen to it.

I want my two cents!

who gives a fuck? do you really want another bland cd single that will just lie there after you have listened to it once? im glad they are doing this,at least its a bit different and should look rather nice and dare i say it, isnt it a little bit factory?

Spotnick wrote:

Now I must say I'm pissed... let the hunt for promo CDs begin.. (or the hunt to put pressure on Warner USA to release it!)

The one track radio edit promo has been around for a while, but yes, it'll be interesting to see if they collect the mixes together on one or two promo CD's like they did with Krafty and Jetstream.

Spotnick wrote: Ok, continuing my correspondance with the person who sent me the press release...

The record company actually feel that by releasing the single in this format they'll be giving something back (?!) to the fans, as they're providing something that's really collectible and special.

TOTAL BOLLOCKS!

i had a look at HMV.CO.UK there is a version that say's DVS

Could it be NO being awkward buggers again?

e.g. Blue Monday 12 inch

This is such bullshit!

Patrick wrote: Perhaps the real explanation is simply a desire to focus all attention on the DVD and the singles compilation without formally cancelling the WFTSC single.

I think you could be right. Maybe someone wasn't too keen to get 'WFTSC' released, preferring to get 'Turn' out before Xmas to publicize 'Item' and 'The Singles' for the Xmas market - then they realized that if 'WFTSC' didn't come out as a single, that would muck up the tracklisting for 'The Singles'!

Very odd.

Andy

I hereby nominate Spotnick to take over all record company decisions of any and all New Order/Joy Division releases and hereby decalare the record companies complete mongoloids devoid of any rational comprehension skills. Twats!

I may just have to get a new record player, as has been cactus for many a year (this actually saved my vinyl collection). Can you still buy record players?

so maybe "Turn"/"Guilt" is th real third single?

and this 3 X 7" only single is just for fun...?

what's wrong with this? sounds like fun for collectors to me... maybe WFTSC didnt have much of a chance of club play anyway... this actually makes some sense, and the 3 x 7 inches is a cool idea (of course i'll still want the mp3s for digital play, maybe they could sell them for the iPod)

Spotnick wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: I may just have to get a new record player, as has been cactus for many a year (this actually saved my vinyl collection). Can you still buy record players?

I have fears all that can be found in shop are professional DJ stuff, expensive...

At least here...

I bought one last year. OK, it's cheap as chips (about US$75), but it has a built in preamp and will connect directly to your computer. I think they are made in Canada and they sell them all around the world. Will try and find out the name. I only bought it cause my old stero shit itself and I couldn't live with not being able to play my old vinyl.

LOL I love it! Wonder if they will be coloured vinyl?

Spotnick wrote: I wonder if all kids on this website even saw that a record player is like

I remember a post on the Ladytron board by someone asking what was needed in order to listen to vinyl.

The "for the fans" angle is a nice touch, but it just seems such a shame to waste it on a song which is one of New Order's strongest. It won't get played on the radio and won't trouble the charts which is a pity because it deserves to be heard by a wider audience.

They should have chosen I Told You So. We can all have fun buying the set - and then the fact that most people can't play it won't really matter...

Patrick wrote:

Monsieur Round & Round wrote: My two cents on the matter:

After "Jetstream" being such a "hit", my guess is that Warner wasn't so keen on a 3rd single release. But the band (Barney, that is...) wanted it badly, so a compromise was found. The 7" only release is obviously marketed for the collectors, ie us, not for the general audience!

Well, I, at least, don't collect vinyl.

Neither do I although I used to. All my vinyl is stuck in the loft now and to be honest I'm thinking about getting rid. This scenario has a touch of SLY about it.

Mr Discography wrote:

Patrick wrote: Perhaps the real explanation is simply a desire to focus all attention on the DVD and the singles compilation without formally cancelling the WFTSC single.

I think you could be right. Maybe someone wasn't too keen to get 'WFTSC' released, preferring to get 'Turn' out before Xmas to publicize 'Item' and 'The Singles' for the Xmas market - then they realized that if 'WFTSC' didn't come out as a single, that would muck up the tracklisting for 'The Singles'!

Very odd.

Andy

Will you be adding these 7" to your personal Retro vinyl to cd compendium Andy? If so put me down for a copy.

I worry about sound quality for DJing...

Spotnick wrote: Ok, continuing my correspondance with the person who sent me the press release...

The record company actually feel that by releasing the single in this format they'll be giving something back (?!) to the fans, as they're providing something that's really collectible and special.

I have left out the rest of the email, I think it was meant to remain private, but I'd agree with one thing she said.. they might have overlooked the fact that many people won't even be able to listen to it.

Nic, have you communicated the overwhelmingly negative reaction of "the fans" to your contacts at the record company?

I for one love the idea it's coming out on 7". Yes I do love my vinyl but don't you guys think DVD singles are complete arse? Just hope this comes out in Oz but I'd be highly doubtful.

pumped full of drugs wrote: so maybe "Turn"/"Guilt" is th real third single?

and this 3 X 7" only single is just for fun...?

what's wrong with this? sounds like fun for collectors to me... maybe WFTSC didnt have much of a chance of club play anyway... this actually makes some sense, and the 3 x 7 inches is a cool idea (of course i'll still want the mp3s for digital play, maybe they could sell them for the iPod)

Mp3 from 7" will never be as good as the sound from CD or Mp3 from CD. from now on, my default page on IE6 will be randomly ebay and eil.

I like it... and if it had been the album sleeve it would be a great counterpart to Republic, don't you think?

Nice.

I think Warner's are being a bit cunning; they're hoping to get a decent sized mailing list from the details on the link, not that I mind, just so long as it's NO only info. that they send us.

Well i think its a canny idea - just hope its on 'fun' coloured vinyl, makes me feel 'young' again, and hopefully some spotty teenagers will buy it & send it into top ten. Mind theres some right 'tits' work for record companies nowadays - why don't they just get 'normal' people to decide whats what. It's getting as much a fiasco as that Babyshambles smack head group

Great artwork ! This should have been the album cover. Why did they drop this ?

Spotnick wrote:

Mr Disco wrote: Great artwork ! This should have been the album cover. Why did they drop this ?

Because they tought it would offend people who had just suffered from the tsunami in South Asia.

But it's Ok wheh New Orleans has a massive hurricane!!!

What's this about releasing three 7" singles? Does that mean no CD release? Seems a very strange piece of marketing to me. I'm all for a bit of nostalgic presentation, but how many people these days still uses a record player...

Could it be the band wanted to release it as a single but the record company didn't, so they're doing some half-hearted thing to placate NO?

I know absolutely nothing about the record biz, so forgive me if this is really ignorant.....

OK so how do we get the 7inches other than me opening my pants.

((((e))))

Ronald Kirsch wrote: I may just have to get a new record player, as has been cactus for many a year (this actually saved my vinyl collection). Can you still buy record players?

I'll sell you my spare

((((e))))

Unbelievable...crap like Jetstream which even before its single release was reviewed by most as a weak/shite track.. is released on cd in umpteen formats/remixes/downloads ...no one buys it.. .then the best track on the album(just shades Turn in my eyes)is only going to be released(at the mo)on 7" singles?!when this should have been made available in all formats ..esp. cd!!..to appeal/available to the masses!....What the hell are they going to release Turn on ..cassette single!!!Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.....

Nothing surprises me (and many others) anymore.

Is it "Rich Costley" or "Rich Costey"?

Great...I can put it beside my "Pictures" and "Devistatin' Dave" albums as stuff that you can only listen to on vinyl. Pfft.

Oh, I take it that's the planned album artwork that got canned.

nice sleeve,yummy

Like the idea of the slipcase for the 7's, but why put out cd promos if theres not going to be any cds?

Patrick wrote: Is it "Rich Costley" or "Rich Costey"?

Probably really remixed by the 'great' Rick Astley :)

I think it's WRONG if Warner Bros. does not release WFTSC in the US as a CD Single with all the remixes. I will be so angry if I have to track down a fu**ing slipcase on Ebay for 58 quid with the exchange rate the way it is.

And although I am in the minority here, why is 'Turn' so damn great. The breakout track on this album is 'Guilt Is Such A Useless Emotion' - I heard there was gonna be a remix of it, when's THAT one coming out?

Also, can someone PLEASE answer this for me: IS that 'Tribute Mix' of WFTSC ever coming out officially or will I have to try to get one on Ebay for a 100 dollars (like who the hell has all this money anyway?)

Thanks, great forum here. Best band in the world.

almansoglasnost wrote: so this is the famous sleeve that was supposed to be the album one, right? the tsunami persuaded them not to release it (and finally seeing this pic makes me wonder why) and right now tragedies including water are all over the world. so maybe they´ll change again? guess not

it's very 'o brother, where art thou' IMO.

There are boobs and a butt crack there. Not sure how that fits with the single, unless it's called "Waiting For The High Beams To Dim".

The first sleeve is great, the second 2 look like a ten year old has applied a basic watercolour filter - lazy!

I quite like the idea of the 7" only single, yes its going to marketing that little bit harder but oh well i'm sure warners know what they're doing

still it'll find a nice place in my vinyl collection with my other 7" records

LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY cover...

7" singles?

THEY ARE F*CKING BONKERS........ :rip:

They still haven't worked it out have they? Is Wilson back on board?

:bag:

Spotnick wrote: Obviously, I love this artwork and I find it quite sad that it didn't make it as the actual album sleeve.

And to do my sexist remark of the day (people who know me know it's not my type at all)... let's just wait they keep the same concept for... TURN

(If you don't get it, you probably got lost in translation)

OI! Thats twice you did that joke! CUT IT OUT!

:bag:

LE Roberts wrote: There are boobs and a butt crack there. Not sure how that fits with the single, unless it's called "Waiting For The High Beams To Dim".

that's what i always imagined the sirens would look like, as they were known to drown sailors because of their ability to distract them from their seafaring!

LE Roberts wrote: There are boobs and a butt crack there. Not sure how that fits with the single, unless it's called "Waiting For The High Beams To Dim".

Think "Siren" in the mythological sense.

PHD wrote:

Will you be adding these 7" to your personal Retro vinyl to cd compendium Andy? If so put me down for a copy.

I would've thought so, yes. Got hold of a few more rare vinyl bits 'n' bobs in the last year or two that I've yet to digitize and master on to CD. Will be doing a batch later in the year - including these mixes if they don't come out on some sort of CD promo.

Surely they'll be out on one of the download platforms too??

Andy

Limited to 1000 copies?

Whatever happened to Colder's remix?

Can't see them pressing loads of these.

Can it chart on just 7" single???

this is a very peter saville sleeve - have a look at his other work in designed for similar examples

Slippy wrote: Can't see them pressing loads of these.

Can it chart on just 7" single???

Yep. As long as there's no more than three formats, it's allowed. Doesn't matter what three. If it's only out on 7"s, that should lower its sales though, for the reasons stated on this forum. I reckon there will be downloads available on iTunes, etc., and they now count towards placings in the UK singles chart too.

Can't see this denting the charts though - another Run 2, methinks.

Andy

Spotnick wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

Slippy wrote: Can't see them pressing loads of these.

Can it chart on just 7" single???

Yep. As long as there's no more than three formats, it's allowed. Doesn't matter what three. If it's only out on 7"s, that should lower its sales though, for the reasons stated on this forum. I reckon there will be downloads available on iTunes, etc., and they now count towards placings in the UK singles chart too.

Can't see this denting the charts though - another Run 2, methinks.

Andy

It will bomb in the chart exactly for that.. even with digital downloads, people outside Europe can't buy it because iTunes doesn't accept north american credit cards when you try to create an account.

But I'm sure they are reading us and see our reaction... maybe they think that the 3rd single is for the fan base only, the fan base WILL buy it and that makes sure it's 3 copies each one, hence help it to chart, and they will release the CD later and try to chart with the CD as well.. who knows!

I'm puzzled now!

Well, the part of the fan base consisting of me will definitely NOT be buying vinyl.

message for the record company: YOU SUCK! (just in case no other person has said it in this thread yet, and just in case the F-ing record company is reading this)

Phenomenal New Order song that has all of us New Order lovers and 'every-version' purchasers sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for remixes, and they imply it will be limited to 7" vinyl?

for christ's sake, we endured 900 versions of Jetstream, and we even purchased them, just waiting for this moment, and most of us wont be able to PLAY it?

If this holds forth, if the remixes are not made available on cd to me here in the states, I will be finished with this band until they change labels....and Ive been with this band heart and soul since 1983. Screw it. whatever thier agenda is, it will be without me.

and by the way, the comments regarding the artwork of said vinyl should be separated from the comments about the vinyl release only concept...into a separate thread.

they get in the way of those of us stating our dismay at such a bullshit happening...sorry, Im so pissed off.

and thank god DM has a new abum and single

I want my Slipcase . Dammed. Please someone give me the GIFT . My anivversary on 19 october.

:D :\ohwell:

Blasphemy!!

Personally, I am all for this release as it is. I think the idea is spendid and more importantly harkens back to the days of old.

WHAT could be MORE New Order than that?!! Best recognize beeyatches!!!

Note - My turntable is ready to go!!!

Record company statement:

Spotnick wrote:

The record company actually feel that by releasing the single in this format they'll be giving something back to the fans, as they're providing something that's really collectible and special.

            :abovelol: 

Best joke I've heard all year!

Spotnick wrote: Just a shame THIS won't be available on 12" ;)

Now THAT would make sense!!

Disappointed - once more! Great, great, fookin great artwork... more than just sexy, it's really... beautiful, you know? As only true beautiful art can be. I've always found pictures like these more appealing than the usual erotica images you get in the media of pseudo-sophisticated women... But we live in Bush-era now, and images like this are not tolerated. This would get the Salvation Army burning copies in the street to save the children from the corruption inspired by such an "obscene" picture. What a stupid world we live in. Add the fact Jetstream hasn't sold well, and the WFTSC would have sold less. Obviously Warners have run away from the idea of releasing it on mass market, and just made a release "for fans only"... Well, fuck off. Nic make them change their minds. I do want a CD single. I'd buy a 7" copy for the artwork, probably the most beautiful since Technique. But can I buy one copy only or is it only available as a single order of all the three versions for UK residents only? Anyway what happened to the planned CD and DVD singles? We're back to the days of Electronic's Until The End Of Time indeed... And is it Turn to be really released as a single?

7-inch only? I don't have a record player. I don't even use my cd player anymore.

Anywhere in the UK taking orders for the 3x 7" singles??

My deck a spinning and ready to go. Whats wrong with 7" singles, loads of bands are releasing them now

Anyway I have a CD. It's blue with a big white S

I am not concerned about the vinyl format or the free sleeve. The #1 concern is, how can I get these singles in the US. Where will they be sold? Can they be ordered somewhere? I do not want to miss out on this release. Please keep us informed as to how these singles can be purchased.

Mr. Doppler wrote: I am not concerned about the vinyl format or the free sleeve. The #1 concern is, how can I get these singles in the US. Where will they be sold? Can they be ordered somewhere? I do not want to miss out on this release. Please keep us informed as to how these singles can be purchased.

Try sirendisc.com. I should warn you that at least in the case of CDs, their shipping packages are not very good at protecting the contents.

You could always order them from Amazon UK. I assume they would have them. Or eil.

((((e)))) wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: I may just have to get a new record player, as has been cactus for many a year (this actually saved my vinyl collection). Can you still buy record players?

I'll sell you my spare

((((e))))

I saw some DJ spec ones at Cash Converters in Woden a couple of weeks ago for about $300 each.

These are great for the money

Whats wrong with 7" singles, loads of bands are releasing them now

Nothing wrong with 7" singles. I love 'em. My complaint is there is no CD release for these exclusive mixes to be included on. Wait! Maybe a limited edition, bonus disc version of WFTSC is in the works? Blah!

Spotnick wrote:

Slippy wrote: My deck a spinning and ready to go. Whats wrong with 7" singles, loads of bands are releasing them now

What's wrong?

They have been extincted 20 years ago !!!

Replaced by cassette singles, and then CD single, and even the CD single is completly dead in North America in our days.

To be completly honest, *I* won't pay for this, so they just found a good reason for me to get illegal copies of the files.

I want a CD release and I want it now :D

I'm not even sure I have an amplifier able to plug a turn table in anymore... I do have one who is stored since 8 years "just in case", but there is no way I'm going to install this.

I'm with the other guy that says that he's not even using his CD anymore.. I don't either, I automatically rip the files on my Computer and put them on my iPod or backup CDrs I can use in the car...

I agree there should be at least one CD but there is nothing wrong with 7" singles. Shite for DJing with though

Let's face it, it all comes down to this:

Nothing against vynil, nothing against releasing a 7" single "for the fans"...

but why oh why make it the only available format?

Glad for myself that it's being released on the 7" set (if I can find a copy that is), but it is a bit hard to believe that those remixes will not be available anywhere else, especially for the die-hard fans that don't have a turntable.

the death of the music industry is upon us. Top of the pops is now on the graveyard shift on sunday tea time here in the UK. But we WILL posecute anyone illegally downloading our product!!!!!

Total twats!!!!

I will add that I wont get this. I'll just wait for the Mp3 to make its way around.

And I dont use cd's anymore. It all goes on my mp3 player.

Patrick wrote: Try sirendisc.com. I should warn you that at least in the case of CDs, their shipping packages are not very good at protecting the contents.

Unfortunately, I can confirm this. Don't expect the sleeves to arrive in good shape if you order from them.

I sort of like the idea in theory ... I dont really know. I dont listen to CDs that much and I dont know how to work a record player... born in the CD age. It will be a collectors item I suppose and I like the for the fans approach, and the artwork.

But Spotnick, any word from the record company if this single, Item, Singles or any of this new stuff will get a release in Australia?

Um, I don't have a record player, and I know no one with a record player. This is 2005, not 1965. Even jukeboxes are digital now. What is the point of 7" vinyl in this day and age?

Oh well, either these files will show up in iTunes USA like Krafty and Jetstream did, or it just prompts me to "find" the files in some other manner.

What else do they expect everyone to do really? Go buy a record player? The only turntables I can even find are for DJs. Oh ok, I'll buy some hoity-toity Technics to play a couple 7"s that I will just immediately rip to my computer so I can listen to them on my iPod (the only place I listen to music).

Retards. I guess I'll spend my money on DM's Precious single in iTunes instead.

A CD will be issued a week later with

01 WFTSC (Video Mix) 02 WFTSC (Daniel Miller Edit) 03 WFTSC (Arthur Baker Dub) 04 BLUE MONDAY (Radio Station Only 1983 Edit 7") 05 1963 (Instrumental)

This is inside info from LONDON RECORDS.

The 7" x 3 singles will be released as previously stated and there will be NO cd for those versions. Yes. Strange!?!? - But true.

DJ copies of the CD i mention above are due for promo mail out.

Thataboy wrote: Um, I don't have a record player, and I know no one with a record player. This is 2005, not 1965. Even jukeboxes are digital now. What is the point of 7" vinyl in this day and age?

I asure you there are people and dj's out there who ONLY use vinyl. And in this day and age i thought you would realise how Vinyl is still king for the DJ.

I like this idea. i AGREE with the other guy that said this is a totally New Order move: release the best song on the album in a virtually obsolete format. Since it's not intended for the mass market, they can do something with the cover that they wouldn't normally be allowed to do: ie. put a nude girl on the cover.

It's interesting and special if you actually get your hands on it, versus another cd single filled with mediocre remixes that you'll never listen to. Remixes don't really do anything for me anymore. I would rather New Order released any aborted, half-baked jam session on singles rather then yet another remix.

If you don't have a record player you'll still be able to hear these tracks. I'd be very surprised if they don't show up as a digital download on iTunes or at least on some future release.

TONY WILSON wrote: A CD will be issued a week later with

01 WFTSC (Video Mix) 02 WFTSC (Daniel Miller Edit) 03 WFTSC (Arthur Baker Dub) 04 BLUE MONDAY (Radio Station Only 1983 Edit 7") 05 1963 (Instrumental)

This is inside info from LONDON RECORDS.

The 7" x 3 singles will be released as previously stated and there will be NO cd for those versions. Yes. Strange!?!? - But true.

DJ copies of the CD i mention above are due for promo mail out.

Is this a joke?

Andy

Mr Discography wrote:

TONY WILSON wrote: A CD will be issued a week later with

01 WFTSC (Video Mix) 02 WFTSC (Daniel Miller Edit) 03 WFTSC (Arthur Baker Dub) 04 BLUE MONDAY (Radio Station Only 1983 Edit 7") 05 1963 (Instrumental)

This is inside info from LONDON RECORDS.

The 7" x 3 singles will be released as previously stated and there will be NO cd for those versions. Yes. Strange!?!? - But true.

DJ copies of the CD i mention above are due for promo mail out.

Is this a joke?

Andy

With a name like that...

It's definitively THE great idea of the year. WFTSC is the only best track of this album. And they decide to make a piece of art with these 3 collectors. Great... Even if you don't have a good turntable, buy these and put them under a beautifful glas to hang them in your living room... Top of the top!

Note: from now, there will be peoples who have these and peoples who dont... The hunting begins...

i didin t read the whole topic but i wanna ask if somobody knows if those rmxs are done and if they re release them ( junior sanchez,colder,timo maas,planet funk...)

TONY WILSON wrote:

Thataboy wrote: Um, I don't have a record player, and I know no one with a record player. This is 2005, not 1965. Even jukeboxes are digital now. What is the point of 7" vinyl in this day and age?

I asure you there are people and dj's out there who ONLY use vinyl. And in this day and age i thought you would realise how Vinyl is still king for the DJ.

Obviously DJ's use vinyl, but non-DJ's?

If you know non-DJ's who even OWN a record player (never mind use them EXCLUSIVELY), then you run in vastly different circles than I.

I think I have met one person in my entire life who was a vinyl snob... and he was a social retard who only listened to rockabilly and who wore his hair in a pompadour. Affected tool.

But hey, if that's the type to whom New Order want to market, then by all means. I'll just wait until they are released digitally.

you can buy a turntable at a pawn shop for 25$ its worth it,there is a lot of tracks ( b-sides ,rmx ...)you can only find on vinyl. ...and its like...collectors...

There hasn't been a Japanese single since Crystal. This is the perfect opportunity for them to put out an exclusive compilation EP of New Order's recent single releases.

I can't believe people saying that non-DJ's don't own a record player. If you have a hi-fi and you buy a record player it will sound better than the equivalent priced CD player. Fact.

Now get out there and buy one you fools.

Spotnick wrote: I'm curious to see who will carry the 3x7" though.

We're 3 weeks from release and it's not listed on any online shops... just sirencd that have the CD+DVD ;)

Sirencd have now updated their forthcoming releases to feature the 3 x 7" singles! :)

I suppose its about time i invested in a decent turntable then

Spotnick wrote: I'm curious to see who will carry the 3x7" though.

We're 3 weeks from release and it's not listed on any online shops... just sirencd that have the CD+DVD ;)

this is what i've been thinking, no online shops have updated anything.

I was a little bored inbetween shifts from work yesterday and was on HMV website and it claimed Waiting for the sirens call had been released over here yesterday so i placed my order and today it's on 'special order from our suppliers' so guess i won't be getting that then.

Spotnick wrote:

Major Tarantino wrote: I can't believe people saying that non-DJ's don't own a record player. If you have a hi-fi and you buy a record player it will sound better than the equivalent priced CD player. Fact.

Now get out there and buy one you fools.

You have to find an amplifier that actually supports the connection for a turntable.

I'm sorry to say I haven't seen any in a while...

It's not like that in the UK!

The majority of amps have the connections and if they don't it's very cheap to buy a phono stage

Spotnick wrote: 7"... do they have small holes or the big ones that needs an adapter? I'm not even sure I can actually FIND that adapter anymore

Nope, only the jukebox records needed an adapter - same small holes for 7"'s as 12"'s! :)

The 7" single, btw, seems to be having quite a resurgence here in the UK... Also, it's quite appropriate for a compilation album called 'Singles' to have 7" singles preceding it

I'd still prefer a CD single, though...

I think the 7 inches are kool but obviously they do not have the DJs in mind.

12" are much better for play than a 7 inch because the groove spacing is different on a 12".

((((e))))

Sir: :CHUNKS wrote: Blasphemy!!

Personally, I am all for this release as it is. I think the idea is spendid and more importantly harkens back to the days of old.

WHAT could be MORE New Order than that?!! Best recognize beeyatches!!!

mmm... a 12 inch? an american release would be nice too. north american, sorry. whatever. i want it, but i can't even order it... stupid...

Youre all talking about the vinyl 7"singles and how much of a disaster that is. But of course as I previously mentioned, a week after UK release - the CD single with remixes will be available and Im quite sure other countries will release the 7" versions on Maxi CD.

The mixes due on CD single (UK LONDON) will be: 01 WFTSC (Video Mix) 02 WFTSC (Daniel Miller Edit) 03 WFTSC (Arthur Baker Dub) 04 BLUE MONDAY (Radio Station Only 1983 Edit 7") 05 1963 (Instrumental)

This is inside info from LONDON RECORDS.

TONY WILSON wrote: Youre all talking about the vinyl 7"singles and how much of a disaster that is. But of course as I previously mentioned, a week after UK release - the CD single with remixes will be available and Im quite sure other countries will release the 7" versions on Maxi CD.

The mixes due on CD single (UK LONDON) will be: 01 WFTSC (Video Mix) 02 WFTSC (Daniel Miller Edit) 03 WFTSC (Arthur Baker Dub) 04 BLUE MONDAY (Radio Station Only 1983 Edit 7") 05 1963 (Instrumental)

This is inside info from LONDON RECORDS.

Yes, but you have a fictitious name, have only made three posts, and offer no evidence of where you got this inside information from London/Warner... Stop mucking around or show us some proof.

Andy

Mr Discography wrote:

TONY WILSON wrote: Youre all talking about the vinyl 7"singles and how much of a disaster that is. But of course as I previously mentioned, a week after UK release - the CD single with remixes will be available and Im quite sure other countries will release the 7" versions on Maxi CD.

The mixes due on CD single (UK LONDON) will be: 01 WFTSC (Video Mix) 02 WFTSC (Daniel Miller Edit) 03 WFTSC (Arthur Baker Dub) 04 BLUE MONDAY (Radio Station Only 1983 Edit 7") 05 1963 (Instrumental)

This is inside info from LONDON RECORDS.

Yes, but you have a fictitious name, have only made three posts, and offer no evidence of where you got this inside information from London/Warner... Stop mucking around or show us some proof.

Andy

Ditto.

TONY WILSON wrote: Youre all talking about the vinyl 7"singles and how much of a disaster that is. But of course as I previously mentioned, a week after UK release - the CD single with remixes will be available and Im quite sure other countries will release the 7" versions on Maxi CD.

The mixes due on CD single (UK LONDON) will be: 01 WFTSC (Video Mix) 02 WFTSC (Daniel Miller Edit) 03 WFTSC (Arthur Baker Dub) 04 BLUE MONDAY (Radio Station Only 1983 Edit 7") 05 1963 (Instrumental)

This is inside info from LONDON RECORDS.

So no variation of Temptation on the B sides of the Cd then Willo? Well what is the point of that?But I think you must be right about a Cd being released after all...Otherwise its not a proper release in these days of needleless Hi-fis is it ?..Is this song going to be a single, with a video,costing money, promotion, TV, Mtv, Q,MTv2 Etc etc...and get a daft £600 back on Vynil sales,no cd for people to buy?you are having a giraffe!!

OK. Wait and see. The Remixes of WFTSC were made at Sarm West Studios in London, with Arthur Baker present and with Daniel Miller present. Post production was by Trevor Horn. For more info you may like to call SARM at 8-10 Basing Street, London or call 0207 229 1229 www.sarmstudios.com LONDON RECORDS have already sent out CD promos of the remixes i mentioned and Radio 1 have played the Arthur Baker Dub on one of the dance shows at weekend. The BLUE MONDAY track is the first time on CD - originally made as a 7" for US radio stations promo only - due to the length of the 12" I assure you my information is correct. There is also another NO album due in 2006.

I rest my case.

http://www.sarm.co.uk and Sarm Studios appear to be two entirely different operations...

None of the published tracklistings for any Radio 1 show over the weekend show WFTSC to have been played.

TONY WILSON wrote: The BLUE MONDAY track is the first time on CD - originally made as a 7" for US radio stations promo only - due to the length of the 12"

Now you're really stirring up a hornets' nest.

The existence - or otherwise - of such a radio edit 7" has had many wise men scratching their asses for decades. I don't suppose you can provide any further release info about this? If it's in any way true, surely it suggests that some of the London suits have been casting a lazy eye over NOOL? We were only debating it again recently.

Unless of course it's actually the Japanese or Polish 7" promo edit.

:\pimp3:

Trevor Horn post-producing?

Spotnick wrote: I just got a confirmation by London Records:

We are releasing a 2 track CD on Sirens, we are seeing if we can make it for the 26th but it might have to be the 3rd Oct as the 7" need to take priority for release week - the tracks will be the rich costey and jacknife lee

Better late than never, but what a botched process.

At fucking last!

I will buy the three 7"s anyway but what a balls up by London.

Two things that are pissing me off:

1. 7" ONLY. DUMB DUMB DUMB move. I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available. WTF! Should have made a new version and remixed THAT several years ago first of all--right after Here To Stay. At least they're playing it live again. With a singles comp coming and a remix comp...WHY are these tracks not used to promote those instead?

2. The singles comp is FLAWED of course. Someone Like You is a single (and a very good one I may add), and up until now Turn is not (and shouldn't be--I'd rather I Told You So, the mixes would be so great)! CAN ANYONE OVER THERE MAKE A SERIOUS NEW ORDER COMPILATION!?!?!?!??!?!? We've got at least 4 and they all have problems of one sort or another--from mis-titled songs to poor selection to not transfering vinyl only mixes we all want to digital! I'll be happy to finally have the original Ceremony, but it should have been in the box set already.

While I am not all that disappointed in the 3x7" idea, it does show that the label is trying to be somewhat creative in generating interest in New Order. I wish London Records backed some of the other artists that I like who seem to get ignored once they release an album.

My only issue/problem is that being in the US, I would love to have the slipcase. Why it is exclusive to UK only, I don't understand (I can gladly pay for postage, had they made the offer). I certainly hope that I can get one cheaply versus having to get it off Ebay and paying an arm and a leg.

I wonder what the release of the single will be like in Austrailia or the US. Be nice if they could do a Maxi-Single for the US with all of the remixes like they did for Krafty and Jetstream. Austrailian releases tend to be good too. Guess we'll wait and see.

Shawn

Monsieur Round & Round wrote: Trevor Horn post-producing?

Well, Sarm studios is indeed a ZTT/Trevor Horn owned studio, so his involvement at Sarm isn't really a surprise. I believe that ZTT is also owned by Warners, so that could be the connection there??

Interested to see what the 808 State domain name is going to be (mentioned on the Sarm site) - presumably to do with the ZTT-reissue program in the near future? :)

BTW, have checked all the tracklistings for the Radio One weekend dance shows, and WFTSC was never played... Which show was it played on??

Patrick wrote:

Spotnick wrote: I just got a confirmation by London Records:

We are releasing a 2 track CD on Sirens, we are seeing if we can make it for the 26th but it might have to be the 3rd Oct as the 7" need to take priority for release week - the tracks will be the rich costey and jacknife lee

Better late than never, but what a botched process.

Couldn't have put it in better words myself. The Oz release may end up being a 2CD digipak with the 7" b-sides included(Hopefully Warner Oz may be reading these posts and considering a package similar to the one I've just hinted at). Myself, CTB, Solly, RK, Etc all live in hope of such a commonsense decision down here.

I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available.

No. I'm no hi-fi bore but vinyl offers the HIGHEST sound quality available. The digitisation process removes information and therefore quality from the sound:

"Natural sound is by definition analogue. When a CD recording is created, this analogue sound is digitised. To do this, they take many snapshots of the analogue sound. For a CD recording, they take 44,100 snapshots in a second. These snapshots are then converted to digital information with a certain precision. For a CD recording this precision is 16 bits which means that every one of the 44,100 snapshots needs to be converted into one of the 65,536 (2^16) possible values.

By definition a digital recording doesn’t include all the sound information. Because the number of snapshots that are taken are not infinite (the maximum is 44,100 per second), the process of taking snapshots results in the loss of information.

A record player which plays LP’s is strictly analogue. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound’s waveform. The record player than transforms this groove to an analogue sound signal which can be fed into an amplifier. In this process, no information can be lost. No snapshots need to be taken and the sound doesn’t need be converted to one of the possible 65,536 values. There are an infinite number of ‘snapshots’ and ‘possible values’. Therefore vinyl recording sound richer than CD recordings (as long as you have a decent vinyl record player)."

(from yahoo.answers)

I'm not an expert on sound quality or record distribution, but I am a fan of the band and simply wish I had a decent shot at getting this release in any format.

My biggest lament about all of this is that I feel the best song on the new album is being given a snowball's chance in hell of actually getting airtime. That's really too bad considering all the time and effort put into getting Jetstream out to the masses...when it's the weakest song on the album in my opinion.

Now I'll have to buy 4 versions!

There's something about the 3x7"s that makes me want to buy the LOT. & then the following week I'll have to get the cd version - so that I don't have to go out to the shed to play it on the old turntable!

If we all do that it will chart - for 2 weeks instead of one:D

BurntFur wrote: Two things that are pissing me off:

1. 7" ONLY. DUMB DUMB DUMB move. I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available. WTF! Should have made a new version and remixed THAT several years ago first of all--right after Here To Stay. At least they're playing it live again. With a singles comp coming and a remix comp...WHY are these tracks not used to promote those instead?

2. The singles comp is FLAWED of course. Someone Like You is a single (and a very good one I may add), and up until now Turn is not (and shouldn't be--I'd rather I Told You So, the mixes would be so great)! CAN ANYONE OVER THERE MAKE A SERIOUS NEW ORDER COMPILATION!?!?!?!??!?!? We've got at least 4 and they all have problems of one sort or another--from mis-titled songs to poor selection to not transfering vinyl only mixes we all want to digital! I'll be happy to finally have the original Ceremony, but it should have been in the box set already.

Actually no. Someone Like You wasn't a single, it was released on a double 12" promo and a single 12" promo. PROMOS aren't singles!

Jonny Donepoindatgunname wrote:

I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available.

No. I'm no hi-fi bore but vinyl offers the HIGHEST sound quality available. The digitisation process removes information and therefore quality from the sound:

"Natural sound is by definition analogue. When a CD recording is created, this analogue sound is digitised. To do this, they take many snapshots of the analogue sound. For a CD recording, they take 44,100 snapshots in a second. These snapshots are then converted to digital information with a certain precision. For a CD recording this precision is 16 bits which means that every one of the 44,100 snapshots needs to be converted into one of the 65,536 (2^16) possible values.

By definition a digital recording doesn’t include all the sound information. Because the number of snapshots that are taken are not infinite (the maximum is 44,100 per second), the process of taking snapshots results in the loss of information.

A record player which plays LP’s is strictly analogue. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound’s waveform. The record player than transforms this groove to an analogue sound signal which can be fed into an amplifier. In this process, no information can be lost. No snapshots need to be taken and the sound doesn’t need be converted to one of the possible 65,536 values. There are an infinite number of ‘snapshots’ and ‘possible values’. Therefore vinyl recording sound richer than CD recordings (as long as you have a decent vinyl record player)."

(from yahoo.answers)

Reasonably true! But 7" has a lower resolution than 12", something to do with the angle of the pickup to the record!? Also I believe 33rpm to be better quality than 45rmp.

Mint condition records on a quality deck sound excellent. Those ones with the plastic tone-arm will not give sound quality.

Spotnick wrote:

Slippy wrote:

Actually no. Someone Like You wasn't a single, it was released on a double 12" promo and a single 12" promo. PROMOS aren't singles!

But Promos aren't sold in shop either.

So SLY is sort of a "single" in my book, hence why it's listed in the Single section of the discography here.

Promos aren't supposed to be sold anywhere. They are supposed to be freebies for radio stations and website owners like you Nic lol

SLY was also released as commercial 12inch. ;)

Svenner wrote: SLY was also released as commercial 12inch. ;)

Since when?

So...After all is said and done only the UKs will have access to purchase the damn tracks??

((((e))))

Slippy wrote:

Svenner wrote: SLY was also released as commercial 12inch. ;)

Since when?

dez. 2001, when SLY was released. bought them as german editions in a local shop. and they have standard catalog numbers (0927 43300-1 & 0927 43301-1)

Couldn't have put it in better words myself. The Oz release may end up being a 2CD digipak with the 7" b-sides included(Hopefully Warner Oz may be reading these posts and considering a package similar to the one I've just hinted at). Myself, CTB, Solly, RK, Etc all live in hope of such a commonsense decision down here.

Yes, I vote for this - as an aussie myself! When are we getting any of thid released?

I'm pissed about the slipcase...guess I'll have to buy it on Ebay unless any of the other regs here have any left over after sending 'em to everyone else

I have no problem with the 7"'s and also have very little doubt that we'll see all of these tracks in cd form available (or digital download at the least) at some point.

This seems like it might be a gimmick to get us going on wanting the tracks and then we all pay for the 1st pressing of the CD...better chance of charting that way.

What a mess...

Svenner wrote:

Slippy wrote:

Svenner wrote: SLY was also released as commercial 12inch. ;)

Since when?

dez. 2001, when SLY was released. bought them as german editions in a local shop. and they have standard catalog numbers (0927 43300-1 & 0927 43301-1)

So they wee German singles not British which seems to count for The Singles collection. Murder isn't there for example.

Slippy wrote:

Jonny Donepoindatgunname wrote:

I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available.

No. I'm no hi-fi bore but vinyl offers the HIGHEST sound quality available. The digitisation process removes information and therefore quality from the sound:

"Natural sound is by definition analogue. When a CD recording is created, this analogue sound is digitised. To do this, they take many snapshots of the analogue sound. For a CD recording, they take 44,100 snapshots in a second. These snapshots are then converted to digital information with a certain precision. For a CD recording this precision is 16 bits which means that every one of the 44,100 snapshots needs to be converted into one of the 65,536 (2^16) possible values.

By definition a digital recording doesn’t include all the sound information. Because the number of snapshots that are taken are not infinite (the maximum is 44,100 per second), the process of taking snapshots results in the loss of information.

A record player which plays LP’s is strictly analogue. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound’s waveform. The record player than transforms this groove to an analogue sound signal which can be fed into an amplifier. In this process, no information can be lost. No snapshots need to be taken and the sound doesn’t need be converted to one of the possible 65,536 values. There are an infinite number of ‘snapshots’ and ‘possible values’. Therefore vinyl recording sound richer than CD recordings (as long as you have a decent vinyl record player)."

(from yahoo.answers)

Reasonably true! But 7" has a lower resolution than 12", something to do with the angle of the pickup to the record!? Also I believe 33rpm to be better quality than 45rmp.

Mint condition records on a quality deck sound excellent. Those ones with the plastic tone-arm will not give sound quality.

As I understand it, 45s sound better than 33s, something to do with the speed and related volume boost.

I can't see the argument with 12" sounding better than 7" due to the angle. It's a bit like saying the last couple of minutes on a 12" will sound crap The only significant difference would be squeezing a song that is too long for 7" and having the grooves too close, a 12" single that can spread itself over the vinyl will sound better for that reason.

Everyone should buy a Linn Sondek LP12

Kevin Smith wrote:

Everyone should buy a Linn Sondek LP12

Or a Wilson Benesch Full Circle

a snip at £1995 :)

Is the artwork of the other two WFTSC 7" singles still unknown?

Kevin Smith wrote:

Slippy wrote:

Jonny Donepoindatgunname wrote:

I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available.

No. I'm no hi-fi bore but vinyl offers the HIGHEST sound quality available. The digitisation process removes information and therefore quality from the sound:

"Natural sound is by definition analogue. When a CD recording is created, this analogue sound is digitised. To do this, they take many snapshots of the analogue sound. For a CD recording, they take 44,100 snapshots in a second. These snapshots are then converted to digital information with a certain precision. For a CD recording this precision is 16 bits which means that every one of the 44,100 snapshots needs to be converted into one of the 65,536 (2^16) possible values.

By definition a digital recording doesn’t include all the sound information. Because the number of snapshots that are taken are not infinite (the maximum is 44,100 per second), the process of taking snapshots results in the loss of information.

A record player which plays LP’s is strictly analogue. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound’s waveform. The record player than transforms this groove to an analogue sound signal which can be fed into an amplifier. In this process, no information can be lost. No snapshots need to be taken and the sound doesn’t need be converted to one of the possible 65,536 values. There are an infinite number of ‘snapshots’ and ‘possible values’. Therefore vinyl recording sound richer than CD recordings (as long as you have a decent vinyl record player)."

(from yahoo.answers)

Reasonably true! But 7" has a lower resolution than 12", something to do with the angle of the pickup to the record!? Also I believe 33rpm to be better quality than 45rmp.

Mint condition records on a quality deck sound excellent. Those ones with the plastic tone-arm will not give sound quality.

As I understand it, 45s sound better than 33s, something to do with the speed and related volume boost.

I can't see the argument with 12" sounding better than 7" due to the angle. It's a bit like saying the last couple of minutes on a 12" will sound crap The only significant difference would be squeezing a song that is too long for 7" and having the grooves too close, a 12" single that can spread itself over the vinyl will sound better for that reason.

Everyone should buy a Linn Sondek LP12

It's the groove spacing

((((e))))

I would recommend the ELP Laser Turnatble at www.elpj.com

It plays records with a laser and is totally analog.

Starts at $15,000 - with the vacuum accessory, you'll be running into the $20,000 range.

I believe it's the best deck alive.

Check out the link.

MTO wrote: I would recommend the ELP Laser Turnatble at www.elpj.com

It plays records with a laser and is totally analog.

Starts at $15,000 - with the vacuum accessory, you'll be running into the $20,000 range.

I believe it's the best deck alive.

Check out the link.

You're fukkin kiddin us right??

((((e))))

Oh, btw, that promo CD single that was mentioned earlier is looking more suspect as the days go by!

The registered domain name of 808state.co.uk (mentioned on the sarm.co.uk site) has nothing to do with 808 State (at least officially), and Sarm has nothing to do with Sarm Studios (ZTT/Trevor Horn), so I'm guessing that the Arthur Baker one doesn't have anything (officially) to do with him either...

I'll believe the rumours of this promo CD single if I actually see one...

Exactly - as I alluded to earlier on in the thread, the guy is full of shit. As was subsequently proven by Nic's mail from Warner about the 2 track CD.

Hey OB, check your email.

:\pimp3:

Hmmm... Both the addresses I have for you are out of date. Send something to me if you don't mind...

:\pimp3:

Simultaneous emails.

Will do.

:\pimp3:

Spotnick wrote:

((((e)))) wrote: So...After all is said and done only the UKs will have access to purchase the damn tracks??

((((e))))

Expect the US to make a decision later this month like they did with Krafty and Jetstream.

I think they will jump on the opportunity to release all that on CD and get sales from overseas ;)

I'll be one of the first Oz NOOLers to buy a US CD version of this("I get down on my knees & pray..") if Warner's here can't be arsed doing a CD version themselves.

Spotnick wrote:

Old Blue wrote: Nowt...

Use either

29anne@twentynineanne.demon.co.uk

or

clive.williams@astrium.eads.net

Ohhh... 29anne you say? so THAT's why that blog talked about Community

Which I remembered recently because it's linking to a page that doesn't exist anymore... and I get the 404 errors ;) the page is now wiki-based in the "Community" section of the site.

Madasafish are no longer my ISP so I'm unable to get access to their server to edit http://members.madasafish.com/~29anne. The Community link will be duff, but everyone can still help themselves to the gig...

Shergold Six wrote: I'll be one of the first Oz NOOLers to buy a US CD version of this("I get down on my knees & pray..") if Warner's here can't be arsed doing a CD version themselves.

Did you read my thread, S6?

Upcoming Aus Releases

Had some contact with Warner here today.

:\pimp3:

Thataboy wrote: Obviously DJ's use vinyl, but non-DJ's?

If you know non-DJ's who even OWN a record player (never mind use them EXCLUSIVELY), then you run in vastly different circles than I.

Hello Thataboy, nice to meet you. I hope you will also like my boyfriend, my friend from the university, and two of my other friends, who all own record players, none of them is a DJ and if Morrissey is rockabilly, then one of us (me) listens to rockabilly indeed.

The reason might be all of us are over 15 years old, by the way...

An exercise in futility if ever I heard one.

It would seem to be the action of a label trying to kill a band off rather than ignite interest in it.

People with record players are in the extreme minority now, this release serves little or no purpose and the single will sink like a stone.

well i got my arse in gear and Pre ordered all 3 today.

i'm well looking forward to plugging my record player back in.

on an Ebay note, when Nine Inch Nails released a collectors box for the 9" vinyl singles off the new album, it was free from the website for UK fans only too, anyway as i'm not a big NIN fan i sold mine on Ebay 3 days after recieving it for £70 not a bad little profit.

WTFSC Artwork from the original masterpiece

EDGAR DEGAS - After The Bath

Interesting to note HMV's listing for this single:

HMV UK Sirens

They have the 3 x 7"s listed with correct tracklisting yet still have the CD5, DVD and 12" listed as well. Although the release dates are incorrect and there are no tracklistings, they have tagged them with official London catalog numbers.

:\pimp3:

depthcharge wrote: Interesting to note HMV's listing for this single:

HMV UK Sirens

They have the 3 x 7"s listed with correct tracklisting yet still have the CD5, DVD and 12" listed as well. Although the release dates are incorrect and there are no tracklistings, they have tagged them with official London catalog numbers.

:\pimp3:

Curiouser and fooking curiouser......

so, i live in the u.s. which means no slipcase (i can deal), but i've been trying all morning to find a website where i can preorder all the singles from. i've tried amazon.co.uk, eli.com, and htfr.com, all to no avail. anybody from the uk know of any good record shops i should hit up for the singles? (i couldn't find the label's website either--is it london or warner?). thanks in advance,

juicetiger wrote: so, i live in the u.s. which means no slipcase (i can deal), but i've been trying all morning to find a website where i can preorder all the singles from. i've tried amazon.co.uk, eli.com, and htfr.com, all to no avail. anybody from the uk know of any good record shops i should hit up for the singles? (i couldn't find the label's website either--is it london or warner?). thanks in advance,

HMV.CO.UK

Shergold Six wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Interesting to note HMV's listing for this single:

HMV UK Sirens

They have the 3 x 7"s listed with correct tracklisting yet still have the CD5, DVD and 12" listed as well. Although the release dates are incorrect and there are no tracklistings, they have tagged them with official London catalog numbers.

:\pimp3:

Curiouser and fooking curiouser......

CD, DVD and 12" have been listed on there for nearly a month now. They're just being slow in removing them, I think.

Quite right they have been, OB.

Yet for some reason, in the past few days they've decided to attach the cover artwork - rather than delete them altogether.

I'm not sure when the catalog numbers were added.

:\pimp3:

MTO wrote: I would recommend the ELP Laser Turnatble at www.elpj.com

It plays records with a laser and is totally analog.

Starts at $15,000 - with the vacuum accessory, you'll be running into the $20,000 range.

I believe it's the best deck alive.

Check out the link.

This thing has been around for almost 10 years now (if I remember correctly). I've always wanted to hear it. Goldmine magazine in the US had a review of one of the models several months ago...quite interesting.

Spotnick wrote:

Ben wrote: Is the artwork of the other two WFTSC 7" singles still unknown?

?

Did you even check the first message of this thread Ben?

:\oops:

At least we'll get a CD single, but what a disappointment, only a two tracks with remixes from unknown people, an item strictly for collectors... don't even expect the single to appear in the Top 100... where's the Planet Funk remix, I was really interested in hearing that... Any info about the remixers?

Oooh, what a lazy wanker I am: just Google Rich Costey and Jacknife Lee, they're not really unkonwn... but I still think those two remixes are not enough to attract people to buy the single...

depthcharge wrote: Quite right they have been, OB.

Yet for some reason, in the past few days they've decided to attach the cover artwork - rather than delete them altogether.

I'm not sure when the catalog numbers were added.

:\pimp3:

Even more bizarre:

The CD-S, DVD and 12" have a "usually ships in 3 days" warning...

but the 7" singles have a "available for pre-order only" tag!

Tracey Spivey wrote:

MTO wrote: I would recommend the ELP Laser Turnatble at www.elpj.com

It plays records with a laser and is totally analog.

Starts at $15,000 - with the vacuum accessory, you'll be running into the $20,000 range.

I believe it's the best deck alive.

Check out the link.

This thing has been around for almost 10 years now (if I remember correctly). I've always wanted to hear it. Goldmine magazine in the US had a review of one of the models several months ago...quite interesting.

For the price it's about as useful as tits on a bull

((((e))))

Mick Aneworderfan wrote: where's the Planet Funk remix, I was really interested in hearing that...

And whatever happened to Colder's remix?

A CD will be issued a week after the 3 x 7" singles on London Records (October 3rd) This will be issued alongside the DVD "ITEM" which features all the Videos to the singles and NEW ORDER STORY previously on VHS only this time much longer. A New CD album of singles is also due out on October 3rd featuring NO single versions of all their releases - Blue Monday 1988 version though - And thats why the original 1983 7" dj copy will be on WFTSC cd single. THE WFTSC CD single will include:

01 WFTSC (Video Mix) 02 WFTSC (Daniel Miller Edit) 03 WFTSC (Arthur Baker Dub) 04 BLUE MONDAY (Radio Station Only 1983 Edit 7") 05 1963 (Instrumental)

Recorded at SARM WEST STUDIOS, London (www.sarmstudios.com) Produced b T.HORN

This is inside info from LONDON RECORDS.

The 7" x 3 singles will be released as previously stated and there will be NO cd for those versions.

DJ copies of the CD i mention above are due for promo mail out.

TONY WILSON wrote: A CD will be issued a week after the 3 x 7" singles on London Records (October 3rd) This will be issued alongside the DVD "ITEM" which features all the Videos to the singles and NEW ORDER STORY previously on VHS only this time much longer. A New CD album of singles is also due out on October 3rd featuring NO single versions of all their releases - Blue Monday 1988 version though - And thats why the original 1983 7" dj copy will be on WFTSC cd single. THE WFTSC CD single will include:

01 WFTSC (Video Mix) 02 WFTSC (Daniel Miller Edit) 03 WFTSC (Arthur Baker Dub) 04 BLUE MONDAY (Radio Station Only 1983 Edit 7") 05 1963 (Instrumental)

Recorded at SARM WEST STUDIOS, London (www.sarmstudios.com) Produced b T.HORN

This is inside info from LONDON RECORDS.

The 7" x 3 singles will be released as previously stated and there will be NO cd for those versions.

DJ copies of the CD i mention above are due for promo mail out.

Er, as I've stated before, I'll believe it when I see it...

Oh, and www.sarm.co.uk has nothing to do with Sarm West Studios, and www.808state.co.uk is not official either - what is going to be on these sites???

TONY WILSON wrote: A New CD album of singles is also due out on October 3rd featuring NO single versions of all their releases - Blue Monday 1988 version though - And thats why the original 1983 7" dj copy will be on WFTSC cd single.

Well, according to every track list I've read, both the 83 and 88 versions of Blue Monday are going on 'The Singles' - one on disc one, the other on disc two - so that "press release" is wrong. Besides, if London were to release this as a "promo", that's a waste, as the promo's tracklisting is more interesting than the 2-track regular CD they're bringing out.

Andy

I love the way this thread is turning into a rallying point for all the backcatalog junkies.

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what makes me suspicious is 'produced by trevor horn'. If he didnt produce the original track or do the remix how the hell is he involved?? Eh?! It doesnt make any sense.

I am **very** excited to hear the Richard X remix of "Bizarre Love Triangle"!!! His mix of "Jetstream" is definitive for me.

Mr Discography Said: Well, according to every track list I've read, both the 83 and 88 versions of Blue Monday are going on 'The Singles' - one on disc one, the other on disc two - so that "press release" is wrong. Besides, if London were to release this as a "promo", that's a waste, as the promo's tracklisting is more interesting than the 2-track regular CD they're bringing out.

THE 83 MIX ON THE SINGLES COMPILATION WILL BE THE NORMAL 12" VERSION. WFTSC CD SINGLE HAS THE RARE 7" DJ EDIT.

Tony, have you checked the home page? Apparently it will be a two track CD single, not the CD you're talking about... maybe you've been told about such a track list because they had a similar idea... they also thought about having Colder and Planet Funk to remix the track... well, it just looks like they changed their minds a lot of times. Anyway it's true Trevor Horn couldn't have anything to do with this single... But still I think you're honest about what you write, if it was just bollocks, just a joke, you wouldn't insist so much... but you can check your source, you'll see things have changed since you last met them... Oh, I've seen the video... mmmh, a kid looking like Barney running... right, but why is it not on Item?

TONY WILSON wrote: Mr Discography Said: Well, according to every track list I've read, both the 83 and 88 versions of Blue Monday are going on 'The Singles' - one on disc one, the other on disc two - so that "press release" is wrong. Besides, if London were to release this as a "promo", that's a waste, as the promo's tracklisting is more interesting than the 2-track regular CD they're bringing out.

THE 83 MIX ON THE SINGLES COMPILATION WILL BE THE NORMAL 12" VERSION. WFTSC CD SINGLE HAS THE RARE 7" DJ EDIT.

Okay then, post a scan of the promo on this thread and then maybe we'll believe you...

juicetiger wrote: so, i live in the u.s. which means no slipcase (i can deal), but i've been trying all morning to find a website where i can preorder all the singles from. i've tried amazon.co.uk, eli.com, and htfr.com, all to no avail. anybody from the uk know of any good record shops i should hit up for the singles? (i couldn't find the label's website either--is it london or warner?). thanks in advance,

I just ordered from Action Records - 1.99 each, no VAT and a 10% worldinmotion.net discount. Sweet! And I have a mate in Blighty that I'm getting the slipcase mailed to.

Do yourselves all a favour and buy a turntable - its how N.O. music was designed to be listened to.

Mick Aneworderfan wrote: At least we'll get a CD single, but what a disappointment, only a two tracks with remixes from unknown people, an item strictly for collectors...

The Rich Costley Edit is the 'Radio Edit' - same as the 'Video Mix' at 3:51 (already have the promo). A neat little edit.

Andy

Monsieur Round & Round wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Quite right they have been, OB.

Yet for some reason, in the past few days they've decided to attach the cover artwork - rather than delete them altogether.

I'm not sure when the catalog numbers were added.

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Even more bizarre:

The CD-S, DVD and 12" have a "usually ships in 3 days" warning...

but the 7" singles have a "available for pre-order only" tag!

i ordered the said CD-s and DVS on the release day so thats 10 days ago now, and i'm still waiting. never expected to get it and was just testing to see what turned up. But two days ago i got an e-mail from HMV saying that the DVD single was on special order and i should get it?? madness

So you confirm the promo Tony's talking about really exists?

Neat edit? It's crap

All the items I have ever had on 'special order' from HMV have never turned up

Slippy wrote: Neat edit? It's crap

I beg to differ. But, of course, you are free to use a WAV editor and create your own, sub-four-minute radio version that improves on the Radio Edit. It includes all the key parts of the track (two verses, two choruses, instrumental and sad refrain at the end, all without a naff fade), which is more than can be said for some of the dodgy edits of early singles.

Andy

eil is now listing the CD single.

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=337404

Mr Discography wrote:

Slippy wrote: Neat edit? It's crap

I beg to differ. But, of course, you are free to use a WAV editor and create your own, sub-four-minute radio version that improves on the Radio Edit. It includes all the key parts of the track (two verses, two choruses, instrumental and sad refrain at the end, all without a naff fade), which is more than can be said for some of the dodgy edits of early singles.

Andy

TF remix edit is the worst by far

Nevermind the format and remixes available, surely the actual song (WFTSC) is only 'average' at best. I'd have thought, 'Who's Joe?' would'ave made a much better choice for a single.

I guess something similar has already been said maybe more than once...

Just ordered 3x 7" ,CD ,DVD and 12" from HMV. Ordered the packet /wallet holder thingy from the link the other week.But had no email confirmation so dont know if it`ll come.

Tracklisting for the CD single (including timings), according to Esprit is as follows:

1. Waiting For The Sirens Call - Rich Costey Mix 5:37
2. Waiting For The Sirens Call - Jacknife Lee Remix 6:10

At least Singles will give us the radio edit on CD.

I love the Rich Costey Mix. I prefer it to the album version. It has more depth and bass than the original version. It sounds fantastic, and now I like the song more.

Aries wrote: At least Singles will give us the radio edit on CD.

Otherwise, you can capture (or rip) the audio from the 'Item' DVD and get your Rick Costey Radio Edit taken from the video. That's what I did.

yes tony, WFTSC will come with blue monday 7" and ibiza aura...

Otherwise, you can capture (or rip) the audio from the 'Item' DVD and get your Rick Costey Radio Edit taken from the video. That's what I did.

This might be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but how can one best go about this capturing or ripping of which you speak?

TheRain1981 wrote:

Aries wrote: At least Singles will give us the radio edit on CD.

Otherwise, you can capture (or rip) the audio from the 'Item' DVD and get your Rick Costey Radio Edit taken from the video. That's what I did.

The edit is quite widely available on promo cd. Ebay had a few. I like the edit. It's one of their better ones.

Johnny wrote: Just ordered 3x 7" ,CD ,DVD and 12" from HMV. Ordered the packet /wallet holder thingy from the link the other week.But had no email confirmation so dont know if it`ll come.

We'll probably get the sleeves a few months after the single is released; if we're lucky...

Why didn't they just give them away over the counter?

I ordered the 7" singles and Item from hmv.co.uk and have received all of them. There was a slight delay, but that was apparently caused by HMV moving their operation to Guernsey (or was it Jersey?). The 2 track CDS is widely available in HMV stores, so I assume you will be able to get it online. Oh, and my slipcase arrived before the singles were even released...

David Ellcock wrote: I ordered the 7" singles and Item from hmv.co.uk and have received all of them. There was a slight delay, but that was apparently caused by HMV moving their operation to Guernsey (or was it Jersey?). The 2 track CDS is widely available in HMV stores, so I assume you will be able to get it online. Oh, and my slipcase arrived before the singles were even released...

Slipcase still a complete waste of time as the records don't fit

They do if you use the patented Hibster face-down method.

Old Blue wrote: They do if you use the patented Hibster face-down method.

Slipcase still a bit bent though with them that way round!