Guardian: "New Order are blokes' band"

In today's "Guardian":

"New Order are blokes. And all blokes who aren't in New Order love New Order. It's like a blokes law".

Does that make Maya & Ness (amongst others) 'honorary blokes'?

Doctor Clayhead wrote: In today's "Guardian":

"New Order are blokes. And all blokes who aren't in New Order love New Order. It's like a blokes law".

Does that make Maya & Ness (amongst others) 'honorary blokes'?

Yeah. Everyone knows that NO are for blokes, tough blokes as well. They are not meant for girlies.

Oh and did anyone catch the Guardian Sport on Channel 4 this morning. Which famous sporting pundit was on their giving his knowledge & experienced opinion about English football? Tony Wilson of course. What do you mean he doesn't know his arse from his elbow? He was wearing very nice black trainers with his dark suit. Very sporty Tony

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Bless!

Jim Reilly wrote: Everyone knows that NO are for blokes, tough blokes as well. They are not meant for girlies.

Bollocks to that!

NObabe wrote:

Jim Reilly wrote: Everyone knows that NO are for blokes, tough blokes as well. They are not meant for girlies.

Bollocks to that!

Maya - I think Jim may have been implying that you are indeed an honorary "tough bloke".

Doctor Clayhead wrote:

NObabe wrote:

Jim Reilly wrote: Everyone knows that NO are for blokes, tough blokes as well. They are not meant for girlies.

Bollocks to that!

Maya - I think Jim may have been implying that you are indeed an honorary "tough bloke".

Awww, shucks, I'll take it as a compliment! :)

Yes that's exactly what I meant.

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You cant tell me that the band that made GIAUE are a tough bloke band.

this 'other' never thought of them as a blokes' band, just a good one!

i've never understood the 'gender-music' pigeon-holing. music is music.

So when exactly did New Order as a "lads band" become New Order as a "blokes band"?

Perhaps around the time the "lads" developed beer bellies and hairless heads? I suppose it's bound to happen if a band stays around that long.

Chris Nash wrote: I'd say the 'blokes band' comment is about as relevant as saying that no one under 50 likes Chopin...

well said!

Does that make Coldplay a girls band? Or should that be a big girl's blouse band.

Oh I hate coldplay. Dang, another proof I might not be a girl. serious identity crisis...

Doctor Clayhead wrote: In today's "Guardian":

"New Order are blokes. And all blokes who aren't in New Order love New Order. It's like a blokes law".

Does that make Maya & Ness (amongst others) 'honorary blokes'?

I think that New Order should be loved by anybody who likes them; male or female, gay or straight or whatever, older person or younger person. Oh and judging guys by their masculinity is ridiculous. It doesn't matter what kind of guy a guy is to like New Order.

Must be a Blokes' band. When I visited the local Tower Records they had WFTSC up with Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, Depeche, and Bronski Beat on the sale display with the sparkly cardboard rainbow on it.

Hannett of the Apes wrote: Must be a Blokes' band. When I visited the local Tower Records they had WFTSC up with Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, Depeche, and Bronski Beat on the sale display with the sparkly cardboard rainbow on it.

bronski beat!!!,bronski beat!!!..fooking hell,what is the world coming to

bansheeman wrote:

Hannett of the Apes wrote: Must be a Blokes' band. When I visited the local Tower Records they had WFTSC up with Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, Depeche, and Bronski Beat on the sale display with the sparkly cardboard rainbow on it.

bronski beat!!!,bronski beat!!!..fooking hell,what is the world coming to

Why is Bronski Beat so bad? "Tell me WHYYYYYYYYYYY...." :p

NObabe wrote:

Doctor Clayhead wrote:

NObabe wrote:

Jim Reilly wrote: Everyone knows that NO are for blokes, tough blokes as well. They are not meant for girlies.

Bollocks to that!

Maya - I think Jim may have been implying that you are indeed an honorary "tough bloke".

Awww, shucks, I'll take it as a compliment! :)

don't take it as a compliment - femininity should be celebrated! men who want their women to be tough blokes should pick up someone at a pride festival and leave us foxy NO lovin' vixens be...

So does this make them sort of the musical equivalent of a Yorkie?

I don't really know any women who like New Order, but then I only know of one bloke who likes them. Maybe the writer was saying that they're not a stereotypical 'chicks' band with sappy lyrics or 'go girl!' messages? Or he's narrow minded, whichever!

Chris Nash wrote: I'd say the 'blokes band' comment is about as relevant as saying that no one under 50 likes Chopin...

I don't know anyone under 50 that likes Chopin.

Mari wrote: Oh I hate coldplay. Dang, another proof I might not be a girl. serious identity crisis...

Nah, it's fine to hate them honestly

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Chris Nash wrote: I'd say the 'blokes band' comment is about as relevant as saying that no one under 50 likes Chopin...

I don't know anyone under 50 that likes Chopin.

i know quite a few. i like him myself, but i'm hardly a connoiseur of classical music. i just appreciate listening to it.

New Order--a "blokes band"? That's a load of shit. The two people responsible for getting me into New Order are both female, like me. It's just another ignorant journalist steryotyping people he doesn't know anything about.

Holly wrote: New Order--a "blokes band"? That's a load of shit. The two people responsible for getting me into New Order are both female, like me. It's just another ignorant journalist steryotyping people he doesn't know anything about.

the female new order fans: the amazons.

I have armwrestled men twice their size.

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: I have armwrestled men twice their size.

Aye, but did you win?

If you only listen to world in motion you're bound to think they're just a blokes band; maybe the reviewer should listen to some of their other songs...

Elegia, run wild, love vigilanties, GIAUE, atmosphere, exhibition etc.. etc...

oldmonkey wrote:

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: I have armwrestled men twice their size.

Aye, but did you win?

Yes, but I think they let me.

AgentWood wrote:

Holly wrote: New Order--a "blokes band"? That's a load of shit. The two people responsible for getting me into New Order are both female, like me. It's just another ignorant journalist steryotyping people he doesn't know anything about.

the female new order fans: the amazons.

I like it!

Julijana Zitnjak wrote:

oldmonkey wrote:

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: I have armwrestled men twice their size.

Aye, but did you win?

Yes, but I think they let me.

I doubt it, you seem pretty tough to me.

They are mainly a blokes band, lets be honest. I have always been a bit of a tom boy myself anyway.

i think the "blokes band" comes from a certain football hooligan element amongst their following, but now they're all listening to Kasabian instead!

Al Jarvis wrote:

ant wrote: i think the "blokes band" comes from a certain football hooligan element amongst their following, but now they're all listening to Kasabian instead!

You talking about Johnny Giles again?

nah, roy keane

if you read the whole article it made a lot more sense.

interestingly the paragraph they chose to enbolden was the one quoted here.

& the guy who wrote the sleeve notes for the album they were referring to was the one who said wim was the defining song on the album

All I can say on this matter is that if this guy from the Guardian met me I woul most certainly dispel the myth

Remember an article in the NME which described the band as "lad poets", which isn't too far off the mark I'd say. I think the piece went on to argue that New Order's entire schtick was the inexpressibilty of emotion through language (and hence Bernard's wayward lyricism!)

NO are for blokes, are they? Guess that makes me an honorary bloke as well! BTW, Mari, I hate Coldplay too.

I think that this thign about macho footbal dudes likeing NO is mainly a british thing...

Because here in the US there is nothing vaguely macho about New Order.

I mean, Temptation, BM, Age of COnsent, BLT, True Faith, the whole Technique album...there is nothing vaguely macho or manly about any of that music...

And I know tons of women who love New Order. Tons of them.

My girlfriend likes them, but she is always joking about how gay thier music is. I mean, NO has been very influuenced by the electro music played in gay dance clubs.

NO is very popular with gay men here in my city. I also hear them at gay clubs a lot.

And chicks like New Order because thier music is intelligent, melodic, and danceable. The same reasons I like them.

I live in Ohio, and NO are pretty popular here.

Al Jarvis wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote: I mean, Temptation, BM, Age of COnsent, BLT, True Faith, the whole Technique album...

Disagree entirely here. Nothing 'macho' about tracks such as Temptation and Age of Consent? Just the basslines alone could chew you up and then spit you out. What on earth do you consider macho then? Bland middle American raaaack that your country seems so beloved of - long-haired guys in skin-tight jeans and bandanas?!

Yep,in America, that's macho. Motley Crue, Van Halen, Metallica, Pantera...

And then there's not macho: The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, New Order. All lumped in together. Never, ever would anybody in America consider New Order to be macho.

i think it depends how one defines 'macho.' when i think of 'macho' i think fabio, and there's nothing 'blokeish' about him! i certainly wouldn't consider motley crue 'macho,' or van halen. back when they were popular? who knows, i was about 12. i've never thought of 'macho' and 'masculine' as being interchangeable. when i think 'masculine,' i think more along the lines of 'blokeish,' if that makes sense. i'd never really thought about which gender NO appealed to more, but like ness i guess i've always been a bit of a tomboy....

i was also introduced to NO through other girls, but if you look closely at their american following you might find this: most of their 'fairweather' fans are probably female and most of their fans who really seek out the music and listen to it, know more than five of their songs, and never tire of them despite the cracks and hiccups are predominately male. there are naturally exceptions to this. i'm just happy when i find someone who can discuss something NO-related that doesn't revolve around blue monday or true faith. and blue's right--NO are lumped in with the cure, depeche mode and the like, whether they should be or not. perhaps someone can do a sociological study on how the hell this happened.

as far as long-haired, tight-jeaned, bandana wearing rock--i haven't heard that music in more than 15 years (cue van halen). the one band that immediately springs to mind? def leppard. from...sheffield.

if you wore tight jeans in the states you'd get your ass kicked by someone wearing their jeans practically down to their knees. that's more akin to what 'macho' is in america these days. at least according to conventional wisdom, i suppose. and what is CW in america today? why, MTV, of course.

Not forgettin' of course, macho hip hop like 50 cent etc., and macho country, like Toby Keith. Or, back to raaaack, Ted Nugent.

AgentWood wrote: as far as long-haired, tight-jeaned, bandana wearing rock--i haven't heard that music in more than 15 years (cue van halen). the one band that immediately springs to mind? def leppard. from...sheffield.

A whole slew of macho British bands from that era-- Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, and the best joke of all, Judas Priest, with gay leatherman Rob Halford fronting, and clueless American yout lapping it up as the epitome of macho.

bLuE oRdEr wrote: Not forgettin' of course, macho hip hop like 50 cent etc., and macho country, like Toby Keith. Or, back to raaaack, Ted Nugent.

ted nugent is just wild; the man kills his own food with a crossbow. good sense of humour, though.

toby keith: all talk. or should i say, all hat.