The official Phil Cunningham appreciation thread
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I always thought Gill was a minger, but Phil's a ginger so it's a lose lose situation, i suppose it comes down to who'sbest a playing music and who's best staying at home looking after the kids, don't mean to be sexist though
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
Johnny wrote:
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
whats he done thats so bad?
Phil = Top Man and great New Order guitarist
Gillian = Lovely woman no longer in New Order
Phil is now 1/4 of New Order and in my opinion a brilliant quarter. Looking forward to seeing him on stage at the Apollo 
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote:
Johnny wrote:
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
whats he done thats so bad?
Too much guitar wankery.Made NO live ,at times, just A.N. Other rock band sound.
Johnny wrote:
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote:
Johnny wrote:
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
whats he done thats so bad?
Too much guitar wankery.Made NO live ,at times, just A.N. Other rock band sound.
Ok fair enough, can't say i noticed his 'guitar wankery' when i saw them live.
Johnny wrote:
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote:
Johnny wrote:
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
whats he done thats so bad?
Too much guitar wankery.Made NO live ,at times, just A.N. Other rock band sound.
Better than remaining some quasi-synth-poppery-depeche-mode thing!
LOVE the guitars - the more the merrier.
Then again, I know I'm in the minority, but I didn't really rate 'Technique'.
Well, Pet Shop Boys fans want one thing, Smiths fans want the other! 
It's just one of those I prefer one thing/you prefer the other.
Let's just be happy they're still releasing material and PLAYING LIVE!
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote:
Johnny wrote:
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote:
Johnny wrote:
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
whats he done thats so bad?
Too much guitar wankery.Made NO live ,at times, just A.N. Other rock band sound.
Ok fair enough, can't say i noticed his 'guitar wankery' when i saw them live.
You obviously weren't at Oxegen for his 25 minute proggy solo in the middle of Bizarre Love Triangle. At one stage, a it was just him and his guitar with a 50 piece gospel choir.
Dont get me wrong, i love guitars.But i prefer Barneys way of playing.Picking at the axe.The perfect example of Barney`s style is the part he played on Shoot Speed/Kill Light by Primal Scream.That ,to me , is great guitar work.
Johnny wrote: Don
t get me wrong, i love guitars.But i prefer Barneys way of playing.Picking at the axe.The perfect example of Barney`s style is the part he played on Shoot Speed/Kill Light by Primal Scream.That ,to me , is great guitar work.
But He ain't barney is he,
Just thought - the day before WFTSC (Album) was released - NOOL published an exclusive - the first published review of WFTSC (Okay -that was because Nick published it on the Sunday-the day before) but in that review, I praised Phil:
"It has all the promising sparks of the side projects, but gels them together as a whole. One of the most pleasing aspects of this album is that Phil Cunningham seems to have slotted in seamlessly - he'll never be Gillian (beacuase she's irreplaceable) but he's certain to be accepted as the fifth member of New Order - and very welcome he is too, judging by the guitar work here! He lends the album a similar feel to the 'Electronic' albums, featuring Johnny Marr of The Smiths. He also adds some surprising guitar parts that lift what may have originally been fairly 'ordinary' ideas - by New Order standards - to a whole new level."
I've seen certain parts of that review both echoed and QUOTED (without reference to NOOL!!!) in various publications (Bastards! And lazy journalists - Bastards!)
If you want to read the whole review, go to the 'Music' page and check out WFTSC reviews.
And I'll post again at the end of December to see if people agree with my conclusion!
Chris Nash wrote: Phil = Top Man and great New Order guitarist
Gillian = Lovely woman no longer in New Order
Phil is now 1/4 of New Order and in my opinion a brilliant quarter. Looking forward to seeing him on stage at the Apollo
well said.
except for the apollo part. grrr.
Sorry about the 'Apollo' thing Christy *big smooches* but if they were playing in the USA, you'd mention it! :P
Chris Nash wrote: Sorry about the 'Apollo' thing Christy *big smooches* but if they were playing in the USA, you'd mention it! :P
Damn straight I would! 
someone told me phil is from oswaldtwistle in lancashire(its a connecting town to mine) but i dont know if thats true. anyone know where he is from ?
bansheeman wrote: someone told me phil is from oswaldtwistle in lancashire(its a connecting town to mine) but i dont know if thats true. anyone know where he is from ?
Bernard states that exact same on the 5 11 Finsbury DVD.States that Phil comes from "a little place called Oswaldwhistle"
I think Phil does a great job and shouldnt be knocked. Its a tough one, joining a band who have had such a distinguished career. 20 years with the same line up is impressive. God knows how many changes to their line up Oasis have made in 10 years.
Phil's a great guitarist and better keyboard player than Barney live (probably a better singer as well). On 511 I love his work on Close Range and Blue Monday. He brings something new to the table and ensures its fresh and less intense for other band members to work alongside one another.
Johnny wrote:
bansheeman wrote: someone told me phil is from oswaldtwistle in lancashire(its a connecting town to mine) but i dont know if thats true. anyone know where he is from ?
Bernard states that exact same on the 5 11 Finsbury DVD.States that Phil comes from "a little place called Oswaldwhistle"
wow.janice battersby,hayley and now phil.this place is crawling with b list celebs.lol.
If Phil C***ingham likes to rock out so much with his axe whilst Bernard gesticulates like a dancing dad on happy pills then we really need someone to oversee the keyboards don't we? I just wish for Gillian to return to the fold cos it's really not the same without her. She gives the New Order sound that unmistakable elegance and occasional fragility that they now lack with it being an all-male thing.
So yeah - since Gillian went I really miss that feminine touch to NO ..... and no, Barney's notorious boobs don't fucking well count. 
bansheeman wrote:
Johnny wrote:
bansheeman wrote: someone told me phil is from oswaldtwistle in lancashire(its a connecting town to mine) but i dont know if thats true. anyone know where he is from ?
Bernard states that exact same on the 5 11 Finsbury DVD.States that Phil comes from "a little place called Oswaldwhistle"
wow.janice battersby,hayley and now phil.this place is crawling with b list celebs.lol.
thats an impressive list compared to where i'm stayting at the moment
By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: She gives the New Order sound that unmistakable elegance and occasional fragility that they now lack with it being an all-male thing.
So yeah - since Gillian went I really miss that feminine touch to NO .....
I agree 100%.I too miss the elegant keyboard flourishes and fragility she brings (brought).
But Phil's actually not bad at times.On 5 11 I love his guitar work on She's Lost Control and Blue Monday.
Johnny wrote:
But Phil's actually not bad at times.On 5 11 I love his guitar work on She's Lost Control and Blue Monday.
Partly truth, partly fiction , a walking contradiction!
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote:
Johnny wrote:
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
whats he done thats so bad?
he helped them write their worst Record Ever
frank smarra wrote:
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote:
Johnny wrote:
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
whats he done thats so bad?
he helped them write their worst Record Ever
What? Subculture, that was long before his time.
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote:
Johnny wrote:
But Phil's actually not bad at times.On 5 11 I love his guitar work on She's Lost Control and Blue Monday.
Partly truth, partly fiction , a walking contradiction!
Eh? You mean those guitar parts were added on afterwards?
no i'm on about you johnny lad, one minute your slagging the cunnigham off now hes alright really, make your mind up if your gonna publicly slag him.
thats all i'm saying.
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote: no i'm on about you johnny lad, one minute your slagging the cunnigham off now hes alright really, make your mind up if your gonna publicly slag him.
thats all i'm saying.
Ive always been an indecisive bugger.or maybe i havent.yes i have.no ,i can't decide if i`m indecisive or not.Maybe a poll would solve it?
Johnny wrote:
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
Listen to yourself! Alright, he’s been with the band since 2001, he doesn’t need to prove anything to you lot. He’s a great guitarist indeed. It’s only natural for him to bring a new vibe to their music and you know you love it … yet you keep bitching over it like the guy’s a fookin retard or something. Bet you’d never say that to his face though. All I’m saying is you’re not being fair to him. And yeah give me HNWYD over Guilt any day I say. Would love to see you moshing while Guilt is on. Bollocks!
Mr Cunnilingus may be a great guitarist, I won't discuss it. But... I don't like the brit-pop direction New Order has been following since 2001. I don't know if Mr Cunnilingus bears some responsibility in it, but I regret that the band didn't hire someone more interested in synth programming and electronic music. But then again, this is not a statement against Mr Cunnilingus but rather about the band's musical choices.
By the way, Maya, I'm sure you like him just because of his funny name.
NObabe wrote:
Johnny wrote:
NObabe wrote: Get over Gillian for once you moaning bastards and give this good man a chance! End of.
He has been given a chance.he`s been with em since 2001.how much longer does he fookin need!.jeez
Listen to yourself! Alright, he’s been with the band since 2001, he doesn’t need to prove anything to you lot. He’s a great guitarist indeed. It’s only natural for him to bring a new vibe to their music and you know you love it … yet you keep bitching over it like the guy’s a fookin retard or something. Bet you’d never say that to his face though. All I’m saying is you’re not being fair to him. And yeah give me HNWYD over Guilt any day I say. Would love to see you moshing while Guilt is on. Bollocks!
ALRIGHT, KEEP YA BLOODY HAIR ON!. JEEZ!
Hes cool.And its silly to live in the past, i know ,and wish Gillian was still in the frame.But times change and it`s not the 80s anymore.Alright.Point taken.Fookin ell.
Team Szwajkos wrote: Phil=guitar wankering.
Don`t beat about the bush, Jonathan.Say how you feel!
No problem with Phil, really. I just feel somebody with some electronic expertise could bring so much more.
Team Szwajkos wrote: what's a pillock?
It's contracted slang for "Pillow Buttock" apparently. ;)
Team Szwajkos wrote: what's a pillock?
Definition pillock Show phonetics noun [C] UK OFFENSIVE a stupid or silly person: You pillock, look what you've done!
Team Szwajkos wrote: No problem with Phil, really. I just feel somebody with some electronic expertise could bring so much more.
Like who? Whoever joined would still get the same abuse from certain wassocks!
NO Regret wrote:
Team Szwajkos wrote: No problem with Phil, really. I just feel somebody with some electronic expertise could bring so much more.
Like who? Whoever joined would still get the same abuse from certain wassocks!
yea thats true plus someone else would not have been from oswaldtwistle
I like Phil. I think he is a great addition to the band. However, NO needs a dedicate synth player if they plan to play those songs that require synths and keys. NO should be a 5 piece these days.
Ben wrote: Mr Cunnilingus may be a great guitarist, I won't discuss it. But... I don't like the brit-pop direction New Order has been following since 2001. I don't know if Mr Cunnilingus bears some responsibility in it, but I regret that the band didn't hire someone more interested in synth programming and electronic music. But then again, this is not a statement against Mr Cunnilingus but rather about the band's musical choices.
By the way, Maya, I'm sure you like him just because of his funny name.
Interesting perspective,but you are all a bunch of Doyles
Mark down another vote for Phil here; he's a welcome addition to the band IMO, so leave the poor sod alone! He's not a 'great' guitarist (well, comparatively I guess he's more competent than Barney) but he certainly adds another dimension that was lacking.
The accusation of 'Guitar wankery' is utter bollocks - it's not like he launches into 'Flight of the bumblebee' solos is it?
CTB
Guitar Wankery, is just too easy to roll off the tongue
No need to give Phil a bum rap really is there
Lets face it,he could of been any fucker for all we care...He can play, so might as well let him, and enjoy New Order a while longer
At least Phil doesnt try and hog the sportlight - he has sort of stayed quiet like he should and not tried to claim NO as 'his' band, he knows his place, I think.
Although, I'm not a tremendous fan of extended guitair solos, and hope they will be few and far between. He never really fluffs the keyboards live - which is what I liked about Gillian, but I can't exactly blame him for that, can I?
Some gents here need to face that their teenage fantasy is no longer there!Are you lacking something to ogle during live performances? Just kidding. Phil is NOT a girl - maybe if he was this wouldnt be such a big problem. I know I liked there being a female influence on the music, cos I'm young I sort of... idolise Gillian a bit, corny as it sounds.
I think Phil is great - but its justified to miss the original line up that penned all the hits. It must be rally tough for Phil to step into that position - I think he deserves praise for handling it so well. I dont think he or his musical talent should be attacked in any way. He's a great musician. 
Hi People..my first post and happy to be here ! To all these haters (or non believers) of Phil..lay off the friggin guy, like someone mentioned previous hes been with band since 2001..damn he must be doing something right ! line-ups need a shake up/change round..brings new elements to the mix..i knew phil when we were kids..good mates at the time, same school/just lived round the corner (oh and its not oswaldthistle in Lancashire..where he was born, he himself hails from Macclesfield..well a little village just outside)..this guy as a 9/10yr old used to sit in his bedroom for hours on end practicing while we pissed around climbing roofs and doing other non-events. He showed a lot of dedication from an really early age, so u cant say where he is now aint thru want of trying..i say top f****in marks to him...give the lad a chance and stop weeping over the past....adios !!!!
bansheeman wrote:
Johnny wrote:
bansheeman wrote: someone told me phil is from oswaldtwistle in lancashire(its a connecting town to mine) but i dont know if thats true. anyone know where he is from ?
Bernard states that exact same on the 5 11 Finsbury DVD.States that Phil comes from "a little place called Oswaldwhistle"
wow.janice battersby,hayley and now phil.this place is crawling with b list celebs.lol.
Not forgetting my very good self!! I live in Ossy too! (AKA Oswaldtwistle), and Im famous for my Hooky impersonations in the local!! I bet he seen me a few times!! 
bansheeman wrote: now i am confused
He may live in Oswaldthistle ?!?! now...but he was born in Sutton, Macclesfield
mrembo wrote:
bansheeman wrote: now i am confused
He may live in Oswaldthistle ?!?! now...but he was born in Sutton, Macclesfield
yes. rocket mick as also confirmed macc. its not that i didnt believe you,its just confusing because of what is said on finsbury park dvd
