What's the story with the Confederate flag on Barney's guitars?

I think the honourable member from Welwyn Garden City has correctly answered the question!

Right, what's next on the agenda?

Ahh, I see the Aberdeen Order have asked about the samples on the opening of the wonderful Jetstream...

There are places around where I am where people do not take kindly to the union jack being displayed - not even if the queen is superimposed on it with a safety pin through her nose.

One person's harmless 'rebel' symbol is another's symbol of oppression.

My betting is that he doesn't have a clue about the issues surrounding the confederate flag. As for its connotations re: slavery, let's not forget that the war for the union was fought by many southerners who didn't care about slavery but were just fighting for the rights of their state and the right not to be bullied by central govt

"States Rights" is a nice code for putting "let the discrimination continue." Really scary how many of these folks still hate Lincoln. Perhaps Longstreet was correct when he said that they should have freed the slaves and then fired on Fort Sumter.

Anyone have a link to Karl Marx's newspaper articles that he submitted during the war?

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AgentWood wrote:

Andrew Sayer wrote: Hardly like its a swastica or the AWB symbol.

to a lot of black americans it might as well be.

Agreed, but the black americans of today weren't slaves. Maybe it's just knowing that their kin were slaves and that was only 3 or 4 generations ago. Very recent in historic terms.

Lots of Jews weren't in Auschwitz either, so a swastika's got no meaning to them either, right?

Greg Levay wrote: Down South some of the biggest Black "rednecks" and White "rednecks" fly the Star and Bars...it is a symbol of rebellion against the conforming order. Only politically correct types get their undies in a bunch about it.

Damn liberals bein' against slavery, an' all...

...not to mention bein' against all them Jim Crow laws they got their panties up in a bunch about....

Greg Levay wrote: Down South some of the biggest Black "rednecks" ... fly the Star and Bars...

So what does bullshit taste like, anyway, Greg?

Let's forget about politics for a while, and start focusing on how Barney got the flag on his guitar. I tried to surf the net for British guitar makers, but couldn't come across a company that offers that design. My second guess would be that Bernard got his guitar made in America. Heck, he has the money for it. What's next for him, showing off his factory made Robert E. Lee to drive and honk "Dixie" in Manchester's roadways?

I think the guitar in mention is the red Gibson SG...

http://www.gibson.com/Products%5FEuro/GibsonElectric/Gibson%20Electric%20Guitars/SG%20Specials/

you can check out http://www.worldinmotion.net/ for pics. right now.

Thanx, nmc. My second guess is right since it's from Gibson USA.

I was right about another thing. It was manufactured in Nashville, TN. Hey, it's Southern and it's "the country music capital of the world."! I know some Southern culture. Bernard customized his guitar. Case closed.

So the LOGIC goes if HOOKY followed suit his FLAG would be at half mast? R.I.P Rocket Mick

Shug wrote: So is Barney NOT a fan of the Dukes Of Hazard then?

of course he damn well is. who isn't? those boys were in trouble with the law since the day they was born.

what a silly question, shug-boy.

go and play some dueling banjoes. set yerself straight.

If it's a Dukes of Hazard thing then that's cool...

I've never been happy that Barney has this flag on his axe...

I just wish celebs would take a bit more care when making use of potentially inflammatory symbols...

Ronald Kirsch wrote: the trouble is how do you tell the difference between somebody who is being ironic and somebody who means it. that is the issue. it is better not to toy with emotionally sensitive symbols. JD may have had the look, but to the best of my knowledge they never actually used any nazi regalia.

That was Hitler's mistake. When he invaded Poland he should have claimed he was only doing it ironically, as a witty comment on German militarism. Then everyone would have chuckled knowingly instead of declaring war.

(I'm amazed at the response to this thread.)

The answer to the question probably lies with the text that is underneath the sticker.. anyone with eagle eyes and a lot of spare time can look into it?

If it says "Made You Read This" then haha..

But if it says "I am a Racist" then.. no haha..

I personally doubt Barney would knowingly have a guitar with obvious racial offensive material.. so the text probably would reveal something. Or not.

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Ronald Kirsch wrote: the trouble is how do you tell the difference between somebody who is being ironic and somebody who means it. that is the issue. it is better not to toy with emotionally sensitive symbols. JD may have had the look, but to the best of my knowledge they never actually used any nazi regalia.

That was Hitler's mistake. When he invaded Poland he should have claimed he was only doing it ironically, as a witty comment on German militarism. Then everyone would have chuckled knowingly instead of declaring war.

actually that is more or less what happened. Germany claimed it was only defending itself against polish agression, and was only returning fire.

anyway lets get back to symblism, or kill this thread.

personnaly i think barney just thinks it looks cool.

Just because Barney was a skinhead in his youth and used to go out Paki bashing doesnt mean he's an racist fascist thug now does it?

a very small boy wrote: Just because Barney was a skinhead in his youth and used to go out Paki bashing doesnt mean he's an racist fascist thug now does it?

i sincerely hope this is sarcasm.

Did the incident involving skinheads pogoing to Transmission actually exist as seen in 24 Hour Party People?

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

a very small boy wrote: Just because Barney was a skinhead in his youth and used to go out Paki bashing doesnt mean he's an racist fascist thug now does it?

i sincerely hope this is sarcasm.

As opposed to what?

This thread is too hot to handle. I'm glad I haven't posted on this one. :bag:

a very small boy wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

a very small boy wrote: Just because Barney was a skinhead in his youth and used to go out Paki bashing doesnt mean he's an racist fascist thug now does it?

i sincerely hope this is sarcasm.

As opposed to what?

a stated opinion. how are we ment to know what you mean if you don't use the smilies.

put it to fuckin bed eh!!!

J.A.K wrote: put it to fuckin bed eh!!!

Quite right!

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Whats the matter? Can't you handle the FACT that Barney was a skinhead in his youth (look at the school photograph) and that he took great delight in professing to go out at night Paki bashing? And you all wonder why Joy Division was tainted with fascist, Nazi allegations or was it just a media fiction? As it happens I dont think that he was particularly successful in his Paki bashing as Salford never had and still doesnt have a sizable Asian population. It didnt stop him bashing non Pakis though. Ultimately though, what you get up to in your first flush of mad impetuous youth should not be held against you as maturity surfaces. I dont suppose everyone is proud of every element of their entire life. As for the Confederate flag, it wouldnt occur to me it was a symbol of racist subordination but whether it would to Barney I know not but would doubt. As for smilies I've lived too long on the BSP forum and have grown out of the habit! (Will an exclamation mark do instead?)