are new order a gay band?

Who cares ?!

I have to concure with the majority opinion...

Their own sexuality (which is no one's business besides their own) and what sexuality their music appeals to is irrelevant to my enjoyment of their music. Period.

mysilentface, take a Critical Thinking class. 'alternative' does not mean 'gay'...grow up.

I also agree that their sexual orientation is irrelevant. It's all about the music!
I think we've all wasted anough time on this thread...

Mr. Shocker, I graduated from RIT this past May, where do you hail from in Rochester?

A question like this probably has more relevance in the States.

New Order, at their zenith, circa 1990, had a gay following and THAT was probably because 1) thier music rules and 2) those gay producers of the 70s & 80s that appealed to New Order, ALSO appealed to gay people who listened to ALL of that music.

Some of you need a 10mg Xanax, ffs.

FtotheDoubleOff: I've attended many philosophical/critical thinking (if I can borrow from your slang) lectures thank you.

If you can't see the irony or sarcasm in my post... perhaps this post is perfect for you to display your idiosyncrasies. Ever heard of playing the devil's advocate for the sake of argument? Chill out bro.

MTO is totally on the ball as per usual. Richard Morel is queer. Blue Monday is fashioned using the bassline of Donna Summer's "I feel love" which to this day remains an anthem for all floors, but got it's start on queer ground.

Really, kids. We love dance music, we always have. We christianed disco music so the mainstream can enjoy it.

Dance music is liberating, as it should be.

My edit was done in light of trying to be as pc as possible when using a term to best describe a homosexual. So "queer" it is.

Of course they are gay, silly. So is everyone who is registered on NOOL. Don't you remember providing your card number when you joined?

no... i think the gay band you are thinking of is Depeche Mode.

Depeche Mode is a different band from New Order. New order is a dork band.

pumped full of drugs wrote: no... i think the gay band you are thinking of is Depeche Mode.

Depeche Mode is a different band from New Order. New order is a dork band.

LIke NO, DM are gay, too. NO is gay in a dorky way.

NOOLigan wrote: half of New Order used to be a couple (Gillian and Steve).

I'm probably way behind the times with this question... but are Gillian and Steve no longer a couple?

Adam Santangelo wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: half of New Order used to be a couple (Gillian and Steve).

I'm probably way behind the times with this question... but are Gillian and Steve no longer a couple?

as far as i know they are still happily married. gillian is no longer active in the band, as family comes first.

edit: she is credited as gillian moris in the hacienda classics set, it would seem they are still very much together.

My college classmates would think so. That's because they don't understand good British music, particularly Madchester. I hate ignorance.

Of course they are! they're gayer than Larry Grayson, Danny La Rue, Charles Hawtrey, Morrissey, Graham Norton, Michael Barrymore, Liberace, Freddie and George all rolled together.

Swifty wrote: Well, they are English - the stereotypes are pretty similar!

There speaks a man who does'nt know his English from his French:p

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Of course they are! they're gayer than Larry Grayson, Danny La Rue, Charles Hawtrey, Morrissey, Graham Norton, Michael Barrymore, Liberace, Freddie and George all rolled together.

Liberace was gay???!!

FAC 51 wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Of course they are! they're gayer than Larry Grayson, Danny La Rue, Charles Hawtrey, Morrissey, Graham Norton, Michael Barrymore, Liberace, Freddie and George all rolled together.

Liberace was gay???!!

Yes, he was.

NOOLigan wrote: as far as i know they are still happily married. gillian is no longer active in the band, as family comes first.

edit: she is credited as gillian moris in the hacienda classics set, it would seem they are still very much together.

Thanks, NOOLigan. That's what I thought. Just wondering whether there was some other story to be told.

mysilentface wrote: FtotheDoubleOff: I've attended many philosophical/critical thinking (if I can borrow from your slang) lectures thank you.

If you can't see the irony or sarcasm in my post... perhaps this post is perfect for you to display your idiosyncrasies. Ever heard of playing the devil's advocate for the sake of argument? Chill out bro.

MTO is totally on the ball as per usual. Richard Morel is queer. Blue Monday is fashioned using the bassline of Donna Summer's "I feel love" which to this day remains an anthem for all floors, but got it's start on queer ground.

Really, kids. We love dance music, we always have. We christianed disco music so the mainstream can enjoy it.

Dance music is liberating, as it should be.

My edit was done in light of trying to be as pc as possible when using a term to best describe a homosexual. So "queer" it is.

I thought youre 'alternative' joke was kinda funny myself, bro....fact is this subject has been run into the ground in this forum, and the straight kids have yet to get it. Their defenses go up so quick, that it gets funny to me. I've tried in the past to explain what NewOrder music has meant to gay club dj's, which is at the core of what this thread is about....but they dont listen, they just come up with silly threatds like this so they can re-affirm thier straightness...not that there's anything wrong with that.

They're not a gay band per se - i.e. they're not gay and neither are they catered towards any specific sexualities.

BUT...

Listening to their lyrics, there ARE quite a few hints of..... maybe bisexuality? I mean.... since they're all married. I've always gotten that feeling listening to NO over the years. One song would be "The Perfect Kiss".

But of course, I might just have been interpreting the lyrics wrongly.

if you are the listener and you are gay then you are gay listening to good music.ive never seen new order as a gay band but ive seen new order as a band with a sizable gay following.

Well I was convinced Barney was gay after I heard 1963 the first time and I asked me mum if he was gay and she said: "Possibly, I don't actually know who Bernard Sumner is, but there you go."

1963 is sung from the viewpoint of John F Keneedies wife, so it's not really anything to do with homosexuality. The whole song is basically a joke conspiracy theory.

Barney has 2 sons, and a family (so i guess he's married). This was stated in one of the articles on here (I think it's the beef curry with barney one). Stepehen is obviously married to Giliam nad they have children (one of which is very ill, which is why Giliam had to leave teh band). I don't know about Hooky, but to be honest I couldn't care less.

EDIT - actually Hooky has 3 children nad he was married to Mrs Merton - from the Liverpool Echo article posted here.

Nicky wrote: Well I was convinced Barney was gay after I heard 1963 the first time and I asked me mum if he was gay and she said: "Possibly, I don't actually know who Bernard Sumner is, but there you go."

my theory is that it is about two brothers. it always was. if you'd have a brother like mine you'd understand.

Nicky wrote: Well I was convinced Barney was gay after I heard 1963 the first time and I asked me mum if he was gay and she said: "Possibly, I don't actually know who Bernard Sumner is, but there you go."

1963 - "Johnny, don't point that gun at me..." After forming Electronic with Johnny Marr in 1989 I thought Barney had an affair with him when he was still a The Smiths' member. Sorry BS, maybe I was wrong treating you that way

I thought Morrissey was the gay one from Thre Smiths.

1963 - "Johnny, don't point that gun at me..." After forming Electronic with Johnny Marr in 1989 I thought Barney had an affair with him when he was still a The Smiths' member. Sorry BS, maybe I was wrong treating you that way

But Johnny Marr wasn't even born in January 1963. I think this song can mean anything to anyone. I think it's about a gay love affair gone horribly wrong. That's just the picture I have in my head about the song. But if somebody else wants to think about it as a song about JFK, or about Johnny Marr, or about a straight love affair, then that's fine to me as well.

seehttp://neworderonline.com/Music/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=237

It was Jack Ruby.

leather_girl wrote:

1963 - "Johnny, don't point that gun at me..." After forming Electronic with Johnny Marr in 1989 I thought Barney had an affair with him when he was still a The Smiths' member. Sorry BS, maybe I was wrong treating you that way

But Johnny Marr wasn't even born in January 1963. I think this song can mean anything to anyone. I think it's about a gay love affair gone horribly wrong. That's just the picture I have in my head about the song. But if somebody else wants to think about it as a song about JFK, or about Johnny Marr, or about a straight love affair, then that's fine to me as well.

Sorry, but you're wrong. He was born in 1963 indeed.

BIRTH PLACE/DATE Manchester, October 31st 1963 BIRTHSIGN Scorpio SIBLINGS Claire, Ian HEIGHT 5ft8ins WEIGHT 8 1/2 stone EYES Brown HAIR Black