are new order a gay band?

Julio wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

1963 - "Johnny, don't point that gun at me..." After forming Electronic with Johnny Marr in 1989 I thought Barney had an affair with him when he was still a The Smiths' member. Sorry BS, maybe I was wrong treating you that way

But Johnny Marr wasn't even born in January 1963. I think this song can mean anything to anyone. I think it's about a gay love affair gone horribly wrong. That's just the picture I have in my head about the song. But if somebody else wants to think about it as a song about JFK, or about Johnny Marr, or about a straight love affair, then that's fine to me as well.

Sorry, but you're wrong. He was born in 1963 indeed.

BIRTH PLACE/DATE Manchester, October 31st 1963 BIRTHSIGN Scorpio SIBLINGS Claire, Ian HEIGHT 5ft8ins WEIGHT 8 1/2 stone EYES Brown HAIR Black

What I meant was, he wasn't born in JANUARY. "It was January, 1963, when Johnny came home with a gift for me." I'm not denying that he was born in '63. I'm just saying, he wasn't born in January.

Arigato

somebody lock this thread. please.

leather_girl wrote:

Julio wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

1963 - "Johnny, don't point that gun at me..." After forming Electronic with Johnny Marr in 1989 I thought Barney had an affair with him when he was still a The Smiths' member. Sorry BS, maybe I was wrong treating you that way

But Johnny Marr wasn't even born in January 1963. I think this song can mean anything to anyone. I think it's about a gay love affair gone horribly wrong. That's just the picture I have in my head about the song. But if somebody else wants to think about it as a song about JFK, or about Johnny Marr, or about a straight love affair, then that's fine to me as well.

Sorry, but you're wrong. He was born in 1963 indeed.

BIRTH PLACE/DATE Manchester, October 31st 1963 BIRTHSIGN Scorpio SIBLINGS Claire, Ian HEIGHT 5ft8ins WEIGHT 8 1/2 stone EYES Brown HAIR Black

What I meant was, he wasn't born in JANUARY. "It was January, 1963, when Johnny came home with a gift for me." I'm not denying that he was born in '63. I'm just saying, he wasn't born in January.

Yeah, but Bernard was born in January. It's a combination of the two lover's birthdays! lol. yeah, i know, sorry, I'm being childish.

Nicky wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

Julio wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

1963 - "Johnny, don't point that gun at me..." After forming Electronic with Johnny Marr in 1989 I thought Barney had an affair with him when he was still a The Smiths' member. Sorry BS, maybe I was wrong treating you that way

But Johnny Marr wasn't even born in January 1963. I think this song can mean anything to anyone. I think it's about a gay love affair gone horribly wrong. That's just the picture I have in my head about the song. But if somebody else wants to think about it as a song about JFK, or about Johnny Marr, or about a straight love affair, then that's fine to me as well.

Sorry, but you're wrong. He was born in 1963 indeed.

BIRTH PLACE/DATE Manchester, October 31st 1963 BIRTHSIGN Scorpio SIBLINGS Claire, Ian HEIGHT 5ft8ins WEIGHT 8 1/2 stone EYES Brown HAIR Black

What I meant was, he wasn't born in JANUARY. "It was January, 1963, when Johnny came home with a gift for me." I'm not denying that he was born in '63. I'm just saying, he wasn't born in January.

Yeah, but Bernard was born in January. It's a combination of the two lover's birthdays! lol. yeah, i know, sorry, I'm being childish.

Bernard is married to one of the women from the Round and round video. Personnaly I think it's this one (I found it on P Savilles website)

Imagination Overload!

They might have been surrounded by gay people but they all have "straight" goals to where they are going in life

sorry!

Retroesque wrote:

Nicky wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

Julio wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

1963 - "Johnny, don't point that gun at me..." After forming Electronic with Johnny Marr in 1989 I thought Barney had an affair with him when he was still a The Smiths' member. Sorry BS, maybe I was wrong treating you that way

But Johnny Marr wasn't even born in January 1963. I think this song can mean anything to anyone. I think it's about a gay love affair gone horribly wrong. That's just the picture I have in my head about the song. But if somebody else wants to think about it as a song about JFK, or about Johnny Marr, or about a straight love affair, then that's fine to me as well.

Sorry, but you're wrong. He was born in 1963 indeed.

BIRTH PLACE/DATE Manchester, October 31st 1963 BIRTHSIGN Scorpio SIBLINGS Claire, Ian HEIGHT 5ft8ins WEIGHT 8 1/2 stone EYES Brown HAIR Black

What I meant was, he wasn't born in JANUARY. "It was January, 1963, when Johnny came home with a gift for me." I'm not denying that he was born in '63. I'm just saying, he wasn't born in January.

Yeah, but Bernard was born in January. It's a combination of the two lover's birthdays! lol. yeah, i know, sorry, I'm being childish.

Bernard is married to one of the women from the Round and round video. Personnaly I think it's this one (I found it on P Savilles website)

It's a bloody MYTH people

we've had this before. it is just an untrue rumour. if anything it was the blond one.

"gay" is an unwieldy qualifier. Gays from Cole Porter to Bob Crewe (produced Frankie Valli) to any number of disco folks (the fellow who invented The Village People-HELLO)have been making music forever. They were gay people making music-like anyone else might from their own situations and experiences. They were musicians and producers who happend to be gay.

The idea is more of an aestetic that influences others to explore because it is good music. Ya see it all the time, influences from various sub-cultures being taken to the mainstream...

from Cole Porter being sung by Frank Sinatra and Ellla Fitzgerald to Johnny Mathis. Rob Halford taking his appreciation of leather culture and making it a hypermasculine image for Judas Preist that influences the hyper macho world of heavy metal.

The guys from New Order have said that one of the first times that inspired them after the death of Ian Curtis was a visit with a gay friend to a gay disco in Manchester. I chuckle at the image, 3 very straight men in this gay club. But the NO hguys said it was music unlike they had ever heard. They had been listening to Kraftwerk in Joy Division and this night prolly put them over tthe top onto the path that would make them New Order. They took music that inspired them and pushed the boundaries. almost 30 years later we listen and are inspired by them. Who Cares where it came from, music just rocks if ya love it.

Patrick Tardif wrote: Imagination Overload!

They might have been surrounded by gay people but they all have "straight" goals to where they are going in life

sorry!

hmmm....straight goals and gay goals............this sounds like something right out of the mouth of pat robertson or GWBush or jerry falwell..

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

PERIOD.

I AGREE WITH THE OTHERS. KILL THIS THREAD.

why bother? a couple of interesting facts have come up although other than that I'm just suprised anyone really has that much to say about it. Yawn.

LOL teory about Bernard and Johnny! You never know I guess! I doubt it - but they are funny coincidences!

NEW ORDER = NOT GAY

Now burn this thread please, the question has been answered.

Sheds on a Plane wrote:

Retroesque wrote:

Nicky wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

Julio wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

1963 - "Johnny, don't point that gun at me..." After forming Electronic with Johnny Marr in 1989 I thought Barney had an affair with him when he was still a The Smiths' member. Sorry BS, maybe I was wrong treating you that way

But Johnny Marr wasn't even born in January 1963. I think this song can mean anything to anyone. I think it's about a gay love affair gone horribly wrong. That's just the picture I have in my head about the song. But if somebody else wants to think about it as a song about JFK, or about Johnny Marr, or about a straight love affair, then that's fine to me as well.

Sorry, but you're wrong. He was born in 1963 indeed.

BIRTH PLACE/DATE Manchester, October 31st 1963 BIRTHSIGN Scorpio SIBLINGS Claire, Ian HEIGHT 5ft8ins WEIGHT 8 1/2 stone EYES Brown HAIR Black

What I meant was, he wasn't born in JANUARY. "It was January, 1963, when Johnny came home with a gift for me." I'm not denying that he was born in '63. I'm just saying, he wasn't born in January.

Yeah, but Bernard was born in January. It's a combination of the two lover's birthdays! lol. yeah, i know, sorry, I'm being childish.

Bernard is married to one of the women from the Round and round video. Personnaly I think it's this one (I found it on P Savilles website)

It's a bloody MYTH people

er barney married that chick in the pic??? someone dig out them pics of barneys missus that was on ere a while back. gAY more like fucking mental.

read above. it is a wrong rumour. this is Patti. if anything it was the blond chick, but it isn't true.

Will someone please heed NOOLigan's words: Lock the thread. We can't stand this insanity. This is a very stupid first thread for someone to start.

Ohhhh....:p

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Will someone please heed NOOLigan's words: Lock the thread. We can't stand this insanity. This is a very stupid first thread for someone to start.

No it isn't, there has been quite a lot of interesting discussion on here. Of course you will always get the complete moron who misses the point totally, those who feel threatened by the mere mention of the word "gay" and seem to take it as a personal insult that a band they like can be mentioned in the same breath as the word "gay", but for all of those muppets there are some valid viewpoints and perceptions here.

One thing is for certain, no matter where anyone stands on their interpretation of the question. Gay disco culture has had a considerable influence on the music made by New Order, and continues to do so.

oldmonkey wrote:

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Will someone please heed NOOLigan's words: Lock the thread. We can't stand this insanity. This is a very stupid first thread for someone to start.

No it isn't, there has been quite a lot of interesting discussion on here. Of course you will always get the complete moron who misses the point totally, those who feel threatened by the mere mention of the word "gay" and seem to take it as a personal insult that a band they like can be mentioned in the same breath as the word "gay", but for all of those muppets there are some valid viewpoints and perceptions here.

One thing is for certain, no matter where anyone stands on their interpretation of the question. Gay disco culture has had a considerable influence on the music made by New Order, and continues to do so.

I'm surprised that this thread has stayed so high up the list for this long, but there is certainly no reason for it to be locked!

OK, I stand corrected. Yes, they are well received in the gay community. On the other hand, my Southern counterparts who don't understand their music will label them as such.

I'm in the country, in the middle of nowhere, as an outsider. The South really couldn't understand their music. :\ohwell:

Please someone...destroy this stupid thread.....

pointless!!!

Patrick Tardif wrote: Please someone...destroy this stupid thread.....

pointless!!!

Why, Patrick?

Someone please lock this thread!

It's been answered: New Order are NOT a gay band! Period.

A few people seem very touchy about this - feel threatened guys about having a band you like be possibly construed as a bunch of poofs? Does it make you feel that people will think you are less of a man for liking them?

oldmonkey wrote: A few people seem very touchy about this - feel threatened guys about having a band you like be possibly construed as a bunch of poofs? Does it make you feel that people will think you are less of a man for liking them?

Exactly the opposite actually. They can be straight, gay or bisexual for all anyone cares, it's such a non-issue that it's amazing that people need to discuss this. Whatever their sexual orientation might be doesn't change the music one bit.

I think it's very interesting...

If you want to justify it from an issue point of view (rather than whether or not one member may be bisexual and whether this matters); I've noticed that a lot of NO song's are genderless when talking about relationships, an interesting and almost unique approach to songwriting...

Touched wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: A few people seem very touchy about this - feel threatened guys about having a band you like be possibly construed as a bunch of poofs? Does it make you feel that people will think you are less of a man for liking them?

Exactly the opposite actually. They can be straight, gay or bisexual for all anyone cares, it's such a non-issue that it's amazing that people need to discuss this. Whatever their sexual orientation might be doesn't change the music one bit.

indeed.

It all comes down to the music.