the first compact disc 'hidden track'

Manny Grillo wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: As far as later releases in the 90s are concerned, the very fine Super Furry Animals had no less than three albums all featuring a track hidden at the beginning - you had to fast-reverse the search button backwards from track 1 to find them. They were bloody good tracks too - well worthy of inclusion on the normal album tracklisting.

Ash also had a hidden one at the end of their first album 1977 - featuring them puking or summat. :)

On first editions of the Ash album, their first A Side/B side was hidden at the beginning of the album as well as the Sick Party at the end

On the SFA front, I know Out Spaced and Guerilla had hidden tracks at the beginning but which other?

Off the top of my head, Radiator may have had one as well...

SHEDi xxx

Bentley wrote: Front 242's 1991 release "Tyranny For You" contained a hidden song beyond the last track on the CD.

That track scared the shit out of me when I 1st heard it, there I was lying in drunken/stoned stupor about to nod off when this really heavy, industrial, growling stuff comes on! Personally I think that's why hidden tracks were invented. To scare the crap out of stoners and piss heads

darran clarke wrote: the stone roses included a hidden track on their long awaited 2nd (comeback) album in 1994. This sounded like a backward cajun / folk tune on track 99. Ive never met anyone who is actually aware of this track. What actually is the point? Is it just to stop people from playing the CD tracks in a random order?

You have never met me then Darren!! I tend to leave cd's playing as carn't be arsed to press remote. REF: S/Roses cd This is indeed a wierd violin masterpiece none-theless

Well, They Might Be Cunts claim to the first cd hidden track - I've looked at a discogrophy of theirs and there's a 1988 3" cd single called 'Hotel Detective' that has a final, "untitled" track, but since it is not described as a hidden track, it cannot be verified to be the first hidden cd track and is thus disqualified.

And verifiability is more important then truth.

Sorry, THey Might Be Giants, but nobody likes a smarty-pants.

SHOCKING UPSET!!

The Front 242 album is listed on Amazon as being released in Jan/91!!, boldly stealing the claim to fame from New Order and Nirvana. SHOCKER!!

Is this all over now?

No, it's not. Nine Inch Nails' 'Head Like A Hole' CD Single, which was released in 1990 on TVT, had a hidden track at at the end of the disc where some chick says "Nine Inch Nails!!!! Woooo! They're good". It's about 3 seconds long.

However, it DOES meet the requirement of being a hidden track. It isn't listed on the disc or the insert and predates the 'Tyranny For You' album by a few months at least.

wikipedia doesn't seem to help that much

but Songs For The Deaf by QOTSA, has a hidden track where you rewind the CD on track one, about 1:30 to hear some deaf people rubbing balloons. fucking ace idea [rewinding the first track] just thought I'd mention that.

First "hidden" tracks have to be the whole of the 1985 Dire Straits "Love Over Gold" cd that a friend had which wouldn't play anything. How lucky was that!

The one Revenge "hidden track" everyone's missing is the "gig" sample featured at the end of the UK Facd230 release of One True Passion

WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT'S THIS????

He scores!! A triumphant victory for New Order, they retain their title in a tie with Nine Inch Nails.

According to my CD copy of the Beatles "Sargeant Pepper" album (yeah, I like both the Beatles and New Order, it's not a big stretch), the original vinyl album had a recording in the center groove so that any record player without an arm that lifts itself off the vinyl at the end of the side would slip into the center grooves and play the recording continuously. The CD ends with several seconds of that loop. (Sure, the thread is about "the first compact disc 'hidden track,'" but it's basically the same idea.) Somehow I doubt the Beatles were first with that idea, though.

I can't remember what year CDs started coming out, but my favorite hidden track has always been REM's "Superman" off of Life's Rich Pageant, in 1986.

Andrew Sayer wrote:

darran clarke wrote: the stone roses included a hidden track on their long awaited 2nd (comeback) album in 1994. This sounded like a backward cajun / folk tune on track 99. Ive never met anyone who is actually aware of this track. What actually is the point? Is it just to stop people from playing the CD tracks in a random order?

You have never met me then Darren!! I tend to leave cd's playing as carn't be arsed to press remote. REF: S/Roses cd This is indeed a wierd violin masterpiece none-theless

I knew there was a good reason I forgot about this. The Second Coming hidden track is shite. Played again today and the cat even left the room. Really.

Michael Patrick wrote: According to my CD copy of the Beatles "Sargeant Pepper" album (yeah, I like both the Beatles and New Order, it's not a big stretch), the original vinyl album had a recording in the center groove so that any record player without an arm that lifts itself off the vinyl at the end of the side would slip into the center grooves and play the recording continuously. The CD ends with several seconds of that loop. (Sure, the thread is about "the first compact disc 'hidden track,'" but it's basically the same idea.) Somehow I doubt the Beatles were first with that idea, though.

Before that, a couple of seconds of a very high-pitched tone that was supposed to be out of the range of a human's hearing. This was supposed to upset dogs, aparently.

Oh those crazy Mop Heads!

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

Michael Patrick wrote: According to my CD copy of the Beatles "Sargeant Pepper" album (yeah, I like both the Beatles and New Order, it's not a big stretch), the original vinyl album had a recording in the center groove so that any record player without an arm that lifts itself off the vinyl at the end of the side would slip into the center grooves and play the recording continuously. The CD ends with several seconds of that loop. (Sure, the thread is about "the first compact disc 'hidden track,'" but it's basically the same idea.) Somehow I doubt the Beatles were first with that idea, though.

Before that, a couple of seconds of a very high-pitched tone that was supposed to be out of the range of a human's hearing. This was supposed to upset dogs, aparently.

Oh those crazy Mop Heads!

(moderate) Horseshit.

As compact disc uses a PCM sampling rate of 44.1KHz, and Nyquist theory states that the highest recordable frequency is precisely 50% of that sampling rate (i can draw diagrams of why if you like LOL). this means the highest sound possible on a compact disc is 22050Hz, which while on the very edge of human earing is not actually completely beyond it (it's only a perfect 5th above the noise of a CRT television's scanner whine). Of course, there are the ringmod side bands that PCM creates, (a constant ring at the sum and difference of the recorded frequency and the sampling rate), but the DAC's filter those frequencies out as they are pointless to out ears.

oh and not many speakers go much about 20KHz.

I believe canine hearing extends nearly an octave about ours....so those of you with Protool or cubase configured for recording at 24bit 96Khz can record dog annoyances (not withstanding there's sod all that will play them back).

End morning technorant.

Someone here has mentioned a Beatles track on the vinyl version that ends in a locked groove - that would evidently be the vinyl equivalent of the hidden CD track then!

Which gets me thinking - I have a few records where this sort of thing happens. The most memorable being Penthouse and Pavement by Heaven 17 - whereby the final track "We're Going To Live For A Very Long Time" just repeats over and over again :

"for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! for a very long time! ...." unless the pick up automatically lifts off at the end like on some record players, this could go on forever... ;)

Didn't forgotten old late 70s new wavers The Look have something similar with their single "I Am The Beat" - which ends like this: "Beat!! - stomp stomp stomp!!! Beat!! - stomp stomp stomp!!! Beat!! - stomp stomp stomp!!! Beat!! - stomp stomp stomp!!! Beat!! - stomp stomp stomp!!!...."?

Any other locked grooves people can come up with? :)

Danimal wrote: The hidden track was...an answering machine message. In 1987 Depeche Mode put a hidden track at the end of their Music for the Masses CD entitled "Interlude #1: Mission Impossible", well actually at the end of the albums proper songs but before the bonus tracks. On the vinyl it's at the end. If you exclude compact discs, artists infrequently put hidden tracks on vinyl LPs..

My wife has that album too and I've heard it as well - so THAT's the title of it - it's after that really doomy Omen-like gothic instrumental Pimp (title!!!) isn't it? Sounds like the band dicking around in the studio - with what sounds like a football being kicked in the background. Is that right?

There's a hidden bonus track on side 3 of the final virgin, err, vinyl version of Joy Division's "Still": 24 Hours isn't listed on the cover or the label, but it's there!

Of course, we all know that it's even more hidden on the CD version of the album.

Further to an earlier post, I lied - there is no hidden track at the beginning of SFA - Radiator...

SHEDi xxx

Steve Campbell wrote:

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

Michael Patrick wrote: According to my CD copy of the Beatles "Sargeant Pepper" album (yeah, I like both the Beatles and New Order, it's not a big stretch), the original vinyl album had a recording in the center groove so that any record player without an arm that lifts itself off the vinyl at the end of the side would slip into the center grooves and play the recording continuously. The CD ends with several seconds of that loop. (Sure, the thread is about "the first compact disc 'hidden track,'" but it's basically the same idea.) Somehow I doubt the Beatles were first with that idea, though.

Before that, a couple of seconds of a very high-pitched tone that was supposed to be out of the range of a human's hearing. This was supposed to upset dogs, aparently.

Oh those crazy Mop Heads!

(moderate) Horseshit.

As compact disc uses a PCM sampling rate of 44.1KHz, and Nyquist theory states that the highest recordable frequency is precisely 50% of that sampling rate (i can draw diagrams of why if you like LOL). this means the highest sound possible on a compact disc is 22050Hz, which while on the very edge of human earing is not actually completely beyond it (it's only a perfect 5th above the noise of a CRT television's scanner whine). Of course, there are the ringmod side bands that PCM creates, (a constant ring at the sum and difference of the recorded frequency and the sampling rate), but the DAC's filter those frequencies out as they are pointless to out ears.

oh and not many speakers go much about 20KHz.

I believe canine hearing extends nearly an octave about ours....so those of you with Protool or cubase configured for recording at 24bit 96Khz can record dog annoyances (not withstanding there's sod all that will play them back).

End morning technorant.

All I can say is, I can hear that high-pitched tone. Woof!

Danimal wrote: The band "They Might Be Giants" put a hidden track on one of their early 3" CD singles back in 1988 or 1989 (I don't remember which one). The hidden track was...an answering machine message. In 1987 Depeche Mode put a hidden track at the end of their Music for the Masses CD entitled "Interlude #1: Mission Impossible", well actually at the end of the albums proper songs but before the bonus tracks. On the vinyl it's at the end. If you exclude compact discs, artists infrequently put hidden tracks on vinyl LPs. Examples are "Train in Vein" at the end of The Clash's London Calling and an unlisted track at the end of The Beatles Abbey Road, so the practice goes back to the sixites at least.

it wasn't a hidden track it was just untitled

There's the weird bit of nonsense at the end of 'a day in the life' on sgt pepper's, after the orchestral climactic bit, if that counts (is it a 'hidden track' or is it part of the song?) Also the Weedy Burton track on the end of the Cure's 3 imaginary boys lp.