Joy Division and New Order are not mentioned in my textbook for Intro to Rock! :nonono: — Forum Archive

2 Jul 2006, 19:54

The guy who wrote the book is an American, of course, a professor from University of Rochester in the Eastman School of Music. I skimmed the book a couple of weeks ago and was very disappointed that my favorite bands are not mentioned. Surprisingly, he did mention The Sex Pistols, Siouxie and the Banshees, The Clash, and The Buzzcocks for the 70's British Punk Movement. No mention of the Manchester craze, whatsoever. Oasis is mentioned.

Has it gone too far if a rock class does not mention JD/NO? Both bands are influential in today's music. And get this, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera are mentioned in their own section for the final chapter pertaining to music 1990 and beyond! :wtf: ! They are not rock for crying out loud! Please, down with the teen idols. They make my ears bleed!

2 Jul 2006, 20:55

IMO, it's probably best that they didn't have any mention of NO and JD in an 'Intro to Rock' textbook. anyways, we don't need a professor to tell us NO and JD have been a massive influence on today's 'ok' bands! :nod:

oh, by the way, what are you talking about!? Britney and Christina are totally awesome(said with a boston accent, of course) :laugh:

2 Jul 2006, 21:06

well mention them and their part in music history and you'll get extra marks for "original" research.

2 Jul 2006, 23:17

NOOLigan wrote: well mention them and their part in music history and you'll get extra marks for "original" research.

correct :bow:

3 Jul 2006, 17:32

Every time I read a review of some band, they always cite either Joy Division or New Order as their influence. No other band gets name-dropped as much, so it seems a bit odd to me that they don't even rate a mention in a School of Rock book.

3 Jul 2006, 19:03

hooky should be teaching that course.. :bow:

3 Jul 2006, 19:05

:abovelol: I'm not saying that you have to be from the UK to like JD/NO, but a Yank would rather put Britney Spears in a music textbook than Joy Division/New Order??? Crazy crap...

4 Jul 2006, 01:38

Maybe they are discussed in more detail in the Advanced Level Textbook, Cozzie... :shrug:

SHEDi xxx

4 Jul 2006, 06:57

Who gives a toss if NO dont get a mention everyone who uses this site knows there bloody great anyway NO are music gods.

10 Jul 2006, 20:46

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: The guy who wrote the book is an American, of course, a professor from University of Rochester in the Eastman School of Music. I skimmed the book a couple of weeks ago and was very disappointed that my favorite bands are not mentioned. Surprisingly, he did mention The Sex Pistols, Siouxie and the Banshees, The Clash, and The Buzzcocks for the 70's British Punk Movement. No mention of the Manchester craze, whatsoever. Oasis is mentioned.

Has it gone too far if a rock class does not mention JD/NO? Both bands are influential in today's music. And get this, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera are mentioned in their own section for the final chapter pertaining to music 1990 and beyond! ! They are not rock for crying out loud! Please, down with the teen idols. They make my ears bleed!

If you have to write a paper for class, try to work them in. You're sure to get a A that way :)

10 Jul 2006, 21:16

If yer prof gives you a blank stare when you mention JD/NO, I give you carte blanche to 1) drop the class, 2) drop kick the prof on the spot 3) burn down the academic building, 4) burn down the prof, and 5) piss on his ashes

That is all :D

11 Jul 2006, 02:02

What on earth were the eligibility criteria for this? Godlike genius aside, the most successful 12 inch record of all time should be enough to get in. A shocking omission. Were Chas and Dave in out of interest?

11 Jul 2006, 02:05

What on earth were the eligibility criteria for this? Godlike genius aside, the most successful 12 inch record of all time should be enough to get in. A shocking omission. Were Chas and Dave in out of interest?

11 Jul 2006, 03:04

I remember I took a class at college called the Art of Listening...and we wound up studying things like different types of instrumental music and really only got as far as 1900s.

We had to do a presentation on a composer, and I picked Elvis Costello who wasn't in our book and edited a bunch of video boots and promos together.

Got an A ;)

13 Jul 2006, 14:53

Well I suppose I can write something about NO/JD, for extra. It's just that we have to do a presentation on a group from the 90s. I picked Metallica.

13 Jul 2006, 15:43

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: I picked Metallica.

Easy one.

1980'S - thrash Black album - watered down metal 1990'S onwards - alternative rock NOT metal Napster business - :evil4: St Anger - attempt to go back to basics but forget solos.

13 Jul 2006, 15:51

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: The guy who wrote the book is an American, of course, a professor from University of Rochester in the Eastman School of Music. I skimmed the book a couple of weeks ago and was very disappointed that my favorite bands are not mentioned. Surprisingly, he did mention The Sex Pistols, Siouxie and the Banshees, The Clash, and The Buzzcocks for the 70's British Punk Movement. No mention of the Manchester craze, whatsoever. Oasis is mentioned.

Has it gone too far if a rock class does not mention JD/NO? Both bands are influential in today's music. And get this, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera are mentioned in their own section for the final chapter pertaining to music 1990 and beyond! ! They are not rock for crying out loud! Please, down with the teen idols. They make my ears bleed!

Was the so called Manchester craze noticeable in Yankland? Probably not. I mean, how many Inspiral Carpets records do you own? Zero, i'd wager.

and i daresay the reason both Britney and Christina were mentioned is because... erm... well, they were two of the biggest artists in the late 20th/early 21st century. Suppose that has something to do with it.

16 Jul 2006, 19:13

OK, I don't own Inspiral Carpet, and it's true that my country didn't notice the Manchester craze. But with my JD/NO CD collection, and the MOJO Manchester issue, I know that I'm a fan of the Manchester music scene. Not bad for a Yank. Manchester and the rest of Britain beat American rock, any day.

17 Jul 2006, 06:58

erm, Cozzie...I think Liam was referring to this...

click me

the Madchester scene wasn't huge over here, as far as I can recall, but I did have the advantage of purchasing most of my stuff at that time from one of those independant record stores that have become so few and far between...and the guy that owned the place turned me on to a lot of the bands from that little piece of time...the videos did get a bit of play on MTV's 120 Minutes, and did garner some radio airplay on the local "alternative" radio station at the time...and at one point, MTV even sent the crew of 120 Minutes to Manchester to do a show from the Hacienda, but it never got the kind of mainstream acknowledgement that say, the grunge movement garnered...seems that basically it was the spotty students over here that took notice...

18 Jul 2006, 09:32

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: The guy who wrote the book is an American, of course, a professor from University of Rochester in the Eastman School of Music. I skimmed the book a couple of weeks ago and was very disappointed that my favorite bands are not mentioned. Surprisingly, he did mention The Sex Pistols, Siouxie and the Banshees, The Clash, and The Buzzcocks for the 70's British Punk Movement. No mention of the Manchester craze, whatsoever. Oasis is mentioned.

I suppose I should stick up for my Rochester brother, but I can't really. Not surprising though. Just a very Americanized view of rock music. Madchester did go on pretty well unnoticed here except by a fringe element (like me). I've heard of just about everything that's not classical, country, or jazz referred to as "rock" so including Britney and Christina isn't too shocking either.