Something I've had on my mind for a while & it kind of bugs me in a 'I-admire-N.O.-for-not-being-like-that' kind of way.i will also apologise beforehand if anyone has brought this up before.
How many times do you have to re-release a single(adding different formats,ltd editions,new b-sides etc,etc) before it becomes a hit(if it does)? I refer mainly to Editors,a band who I think are ok so I 've nothing against the music as such,though I know there are others(Kaiser Chiefs).It was 3 albums before N.O. released a single from an album,& then another 2 before it wasn't a drastic remix but just a straight edit.I know in N.O.'s case it was more or less total artistic control,so what's the excuse for it? It's hardly fan-love is it?! What does everyone think? I'd like you to all agree obviously! 
Rip-off?
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I know that a-ha's 'Take On Me' was released about 4 times before it broke the charts good and proper, as was Pet Shop Boys 'West End Girls'.
Not much of it nowadays- If you don't get a hit quick you are dead in the water- Capitalism is getting far more merciless and the same principle applies to TV- 'Carnivale' and 'Firefly' being two worthwhile examples!
Craig W wrote: I know that a-ha's 'Take On Me' was released about 4 times before it broke the charts good and proper, as was Pet Shop Boys 'West End Girls'.
Not much of it nowadays- If you don't get a hit quick you are dead in the water- Capitalism is getting far more merciless and the same principle applies to TV- 'Carnivale' and 'Firefly' being two worthwhile examples!
I think it was both West and Girls and Oppurtunities that received two releases. The first two versions were done with Bobby Orlando. The ones that became hits were similar to the album versions.
in the modern music industry you cant do what new order did
you would get dropped after 1 album
neworderdude wrote: in the modern music industry you cant do what new order did
you would get dropped after 1 album
I agree and that's the problem with the music industry at the moment. Unless it's spoon-fed moronic pop to the masses a la X Factor (I can really see Shayne Ward having a long/rewarding career in the music industry - NOT!) or pigeon holed convenient music generes - like Dance, Rap, Urban, R&B, Indie, Metal etc. its not relevant to the music buying/downloading public. I think the last 5 or so years have seen people take less and less risks musically - more than ever before and we are not seeing artists who are wishing to push back boundaries or create new music. We're simply not getting the 'next' Punk-Rock, New Wave, Hip Hop, House, Techno, Drum & Bass, Trip Hop, indie-labels etc. that we saw in the 1980's/90's and change in the music industry is definately needed in the music industry but I don't exactly know what? Not being a musician I suppose its a bit rich to judge and I suppose technologically things have reached a limit with which things sound new, fresh and different. Maybe something interesting will come as part of a link-up with the multi-media technologies in the next few years, but the likes of Simon Cowell etc. need a massive kick up the arse and be shown we're not moronic music buyers who can be brain washed into buying into their X-Factor/Pop Idol philosophy! What do you think?
Craig W wrote: I know that a-ha's 'Take On Me' was released about 4 times before it broke the charts good and proper, as was Pet Shop Boys 'West End Girls'.
Not much of it nowadays- If you don't get a hit quick you are dead in the water- Capitalism is getting far more merciless and the same principle applies to TV- 'Carnivale' and 'Firefly' being two worthwhile examples!
Yeah, we've become an impatient, microwave, I want my dinner in 3 minutes or less, type of society. I'm as bad as anyone there. To think, I might never have heard Take on Me and West End Girls...egads.
It's EDITORS not THE Editors, like Doves and Pixies!
and yeah it's a bit of a joke that they've released 3 of their singles about 4 times each.
FrogChorus wrote: It's EDITORS not THE Editors, like Doves and Pixies!
and yeah it's a bit of a joke that they've released 3 of there singles about 4 times each.
And still don't sound any better...
Snorri xxx
Another to add to the list - Radiohead's Creep. That was released three times with denting the national consciousness. Fourth time lucky, and now they're one of the biggest bands on the planet.
Rather amazing that Creep hasn't become the albatross that it might have been. And here's a question to put this back on a New Order track - is Blue Monday an albatross? Have they (can they?) escape its shadow? Or will New Order always be, to the man in the street, 'that Blue Monday band'?
Jonny Donepoindatgunname wrote: is Blue Monday an albatross? Have they (can they?) escape its shadow? Or will New Order always be, to the man in the street, 'that Blue Monday band'?
No, it's a song, an albatross is a big bird.
Seriously, they keep playing it live so I guess the band are not too concerned. It would help if they made some new records at least half as good.
err how many times has blue monday been re-released? or world in motion? & 1963 was released after being a b side....
like that the preson correcting the name of Editors then spelt their wrong, still, that's probably just me being pedantic.
kasabian are another that re-released til succesful, & scissor sisters & razorlight....
& to be fair to editors, bullets & munich were originally very limited releases (bullets was 500 copies only) so not quite the same.
hibster wrote: err how many times has blue monday been re-released? or world in motion? & 1963 was released after being a b side....
like that the preson correcting the name of Editors then spelt their wrong, still, that's probably just me being pedantic. kasabian are another that re-released til succesful, & scissor sisters & razorlight....
yeah very pedantic 
I've said that in another post about Blue Monday being bigger than the band outside of the N.O. fanbase,& Bernard fucking hates it.But to be fair to BM,when it has been re-released,it's been in 3 different versions,the '95 mix being a complete overhaul,& 1963 was remixed so as to bear only a fleeting glimpse of the original.I know this still doesn't make it right,but it's not the same as all the aforementioned bands is it? Plus,in N.O.'s case,they were already established whereas the other bands re-release & re-release to make that 1st impact or keep momentum
