Discography: World In Motion...

Can anybody confirm if the Subbuteo Dub has been released on CD? I refer to the 4:09 mins edited version, which is on the UK 12"R (Fac 293R) and contains vocal samples at the end of the intro and at the end of the track. I couldn't find this one in the discography.

Besides that on all my copies (European releases), the No Alla Violenza Mix is a slightly edited version as well and runs only approx. 5:20 mins. This same version also appears on the 2002 re-release cd. To me the full length (CD) version is very hard to get.

By the way, I can't seem to find the 4:05 edit of World In Motion... either in the discography section. This is the edited version used for the video. (Probably this version hasn't been released on any 'audio' format I suppose.)

Hopefully one day there will be an update, as I often take a look at the discography... Keep up the good work!

Shug wrote: http://www.neworderonline.com/Music/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=50

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/wim.html

And it's World In Fucking Motion.

Thanks for the links Shug, but I don't know why you put them here. Of course I could find the World In Motion... release in the neworderonline discography, but I just couldn't find the correct time credits... And from some other threads I'd understood that not all the info given in both discographies you mentioned are complete or correct, so I was just asking for some confirmation on the info...

By the way, personally I'm not very amused when somebody's using the f***-word...

musicoloog wrote: Can anybody confirm if the Subbuteo Dub has been released on CD? I refer to the 4:09 mins edited version, which is on the UK 12"R (Fac 293R) and contains vocal samples at the end of the intro and at the end of the track. I couldn't find this one in the discography.

Nope, not as far as I'm aware, and yes, the online discographies are wrong! The only version that I have of the "edit" is one that I've ripped from vinyl.

musicoloog wrote: Besides that on all my copies (European releases), the No Alla Violenza Mix is a slightly edited version as well and runs only approx. 5:20 mins. This same version also appears on the 2002 re-release cd. To me the full length (CD) version is very hard to get.

The full version (5:40) is avaiable (on CD) on the Canadian CD single and the "Remixes In Motion" promo CD single - both very rare. I *think* that it's also on the German 3" CD single and the US CD single, but I'm away from home, so I can't check until Friday (at the latest)!

musicoloog wrote: By the way, I can't seem to find the 4:05 edit of World In Motion... either in the discography section. This is the edited version used for the video. (Probably this version hasn't been released on any 'audio' format I suppose.)

Not that I'm aware of, no - your best bet to digitise this is to rip it off the "Item" DVD using one of those DVD audio ripping programs!

Thanks Nick for your comments.

I do have the German 3" and 5", both include the 5:20 edit of No Alla Violenza Mix... So I have to wait till the Canadian cd-maxi will be up for auction somewhere. What about the US pressing, every now and then this one surfaces at eBay?

I presume the UK promo won't be available anymore these days...

musicoloog wrote: Can anybody confirm if the Subbuteo Dub has been released on CD? I refer to the 4:09 mins edited version, which is on the UK 12"R (Fac 293R) and contains vocal samples at the end of the intro and at the end of the track. I couldn't find this one in the discography.

Besides that on all my copies (European releases), the No Alla Violenza Mix is a slightly edited version as well and runs only approx. 5:20 mins. This same version also appears on the 2002 re-release cd. To me the full length (CD) version is very hard to get.

By the way, I can't seem to find the 4:05 edit of World In Motion... either in the discography section. This is the edited version used for the video. (Probably this version hasn't been released on any 'audio' format I suppose.)

Here's the current entry for WiM as it will appear in the updated Discography:

7": AU 1990 (Factory/MCA K10109)
7": FR 1990 (Virgin 90613)
7": GE 1990 (Factory/Rough Trade RTD 076)
7": SW 1990 (Factory/MCA FAC 293-7)
7": UK 1990 (Factory/MNW FAC 293-7)

12": UK 1990 (Factory/MCA FAC 293) CSS: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival C10109) CSS: UK 1990 (Factory/MCA FAC 293C) 4:27 World in Motion... 4:48 World in Motion... (the b-side)

7": CA 1990 (Polygram 846 236-7D) [promo]
    4:30    World in Motion...
    4:30    World in Motion...

12": AU 1990 (Factory/Festival X14849) + 12": FR 1990 (Virgin 80534) + 12": GR 1990 (Virgin VG2167Z) + 12": SP 1990 (Nuevos Medios 31-512M) + 12": SW 1990 (Factory/MCA FAC 293) + 4:27 World in Motion... 5:51 World in Motion... (the b-side)

12": UK 1990 (Factory/MCA FAC 293R) 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo mix) 4:13 World in Motion... (subbuteo dub) 5:52 World in Motion... (carabinieri mix)
4:12 World in Motion... (no alla violenzia mix)

12": GE 1989 (Factory/RoughTrade RTD 076RT) **/+ 12": US 1990 (Qwest 9 21582-0) + 12": US 1990 (Qwest 0-21582) [promo] + CMS: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival C14878) + CMS: US 1990 (Qwest 9 21582-4) + CMS: US 1990 (Qwest 4-21582) [promo] + CD5: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival D14878) + CD5: UK 1990 (Factory/MCA FACD 293R) [promo] */** 5:52 World in Motion... (carabinieri mix) 5:40 World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix) 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo mix) 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo dub)

12": CA 1990 (Factory/Polygram DJF 369) [promo] 4:21 World in Motion... 5:29 World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix)

12": UK 1990 (Factory/MCA WFAC 293) [white label promo] + 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo mix) 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo dub)

12": UK 1990 (Factory/MCA WFACX 293) [white label DJ promo] ***/+ 5:40 World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix) 5:52 World in Motion... (carabinieri mix)

CD5: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival D10109) CD3: GE 1990 (Factory/Rough Trade RTDCD 076) CD5: JP 1990 (Factory/Nippon Columbia COCY-5102) CD5: UK 1990 (Factory/MCA FACD 293) 4:30 World in Motion... (single mix) 4:14 World in Motion... (the b-side) 5:19 World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix) 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo mix)

CD5: FR 1990 (Virgin 30353) + CD5: US 1990 (Qwest 9 21582-2) 4:30 World in Motion... (single mix) 4:48 World in Motion... (the b-side) 5:40 World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix) 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo mix)

CD5: CA 1990 (PolyGram 246-236-2D) [promo] 4:30 World in Motion...

12": CA 1990 (Polygram 846 237-1) CMS: CA 1990 (Polygram 846 237-4) CD5: CA 1990 (Polygram 846 237-2) 4:30 World in Motion... (single mix) 5:40 World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix) 5:52 World in Motion... (carabinieri mix) 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo mix) 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo dub) 4:48 World in Motion... (the b-side)

CD5: UK 2002 (London Records/WEA NUOCD12) [released June 2002] CDR: UK 2002 (London Records) [promo] 4:30 World in Motion... (radio mix) 4:10 Such a Good Thing 5:19 World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix)

VHS: UK 1990 (Factory FAC 293V) [promo] VHS: US 1990 (Warner Bros. C31042) [promo] 4:03 World in Motion

• Track times may differ. * "Remixes in Motion: the unabridged dance tracks". ** The tracks are in a different order. *** Tracks mislabeled as "World in Motion" and "The B Side".

• Also released on a cassette that came with Ocean's videogame "Championship Football"
• The "No Alla Violenza Mix" exists as 5:19, 5:40, and 4:12 versions, "Subbuteo Dub" as 5:08 and 4:13, and "The B-Side" as 4:48 and 4:14.

Help with verifying track-time for the various releases is very much appreciated... :) It's been confusing.

musicoloog wrote: Hopefully one day there will be an update, as I often take a look at the discography... Keep up the good work!

Don't worry. It's in the pipe. It just takes time since the current update is... well, huge. My draft-copy of the ASCII-file containing the entire Discography has increased about 55kB in size - I'd guess I am about 85% done with the update. As for new scans to the Discography... I haven't counted them yet but we are talking hundreds of new scans. And scans of some really nice and rare gems. You won't be disappointed ;)

The progress is slow but steady.

/TLV

What can I say... it seems 'my wish is your command'! Excellent and fast update.

Thanks TLV!

Spotnick wrote: Knowning that Canadian CD Single would be so rare... I would have bought more than one in 1992 when I bought mine.. there were plenty in the bins.

I know what you mean, when I bought my Blue Monday -95 promo cd there were at least 6 in the bins for euro 1 (2 Dutch guilders), I only bought 2!!!

Spotnick wrote: Seems the internet ruined it for everybody :p

Yep, I can only second that. There is one now in eBay, but quite expensive...

TLV wrote:

CD3: GE 1990 (Factory/Rough Trade RTDCD 076)

    4:30    World in Motion... (single mix)
    4:14    World in Motion... (the b-side)
    5:19    World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix)
    5:08    World in Motion... (subbuteo mix)

/TLV

...I just have recognized, that I got exactly that !...

The Saviour wrote:

TLV wrote:

CD3: GE 1990 (Factory/Rough Trade RTDCD 076)

    4:30    World in Motion... (single mix)
    4:14    World in Motion... (the b-side)
    5:19    World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix)
    5:08    World in Motion... (subbuteo mix)

/TLV

...I just have recognized, that I got exactly that !...

That's okay, The Saviour, this release is just 16 years old!

By the way, check your mailbox...

musicoloog wrote: What can I say... it seems 'my wish is your command'! Excellent and fast update.

Thanks TLV!

Actually, it's been updated since the last time WiM timing was discussed, 2004 or 2005. It just hasn't been published...

/TLV

Ahh... I see.. eh read, but I wasn't aware of that. Anyway I'm pleased that I got an answer to my question very fast!

12": AU 1990 (Factory/Festival X14849) + 12": FR 1990 (Virgin 80534) + 12": GR 1990 (Virgin VG2167Z) + 12": SP 1990 (Nuevos Medios 31-512M) + 12": SW 1990 (Factory/MCA FAC 293) + 4:27 World in Motion... 5:51 World in Motion... (the b-side)

I've never heard a 5:51 version of The B-Side... You sure this is the correct timing?

Andy

Mr Discography wrote: 12": AU 1990 (Factory/Festival X14849) + 12": FR 1990 (Virgin 80534) + 12": GR 1990 (Virgin VG2167Z) + 12": SP 1990 (Nuevos Medios 31-512M) + 12": SW 1990 (Factory/MCA FAC 293) + 4:27 World in Motion... 5:51 World in Motion... (the b-side)

I've never heard a 5:51 version of The B-Side... You sure this is the correct timing?

Erhm, it could be that it that says 5:51 on the sleeve/label (not sure where that timing came from). Anyone able to confirm this on the mentioned releases? (I'm miles and miles away from my collection...)

I believe it used to be that the UK 12" was in that bunch as well, but actual measurement of the time concluded that it was the 4:48 version. It's possible that the above releases are identical to the UK one, but until I have more evidence stating that, I will have to go on what's printed on sleeve/label (or what has been in the Discopgraphy previously, it didn't get added by random).

It's interesting then that the UK 7" and 12" are identical track-wise.

As I said... the WiM timing has been confusing ;)

/TLV

Spotnick wrote: Knowning that Canadian CD Single would be so rare... I would have bought more than one in 1992 when I bought mine.. there were plenty in the bins.

Seems the internet ruined it for everybody :p

All of the Canadian CD singles are very rare - 1981:82 (only place released on CD), World In Motion (CD only tracks, apart from UK promo CD), Fine Time (for Fine Line) and Round & Round (used to be for Best & Marsh 12" - now on Retro).

Seriously, Nic, if you see any of these on your travels in bargain bins, pick 'em up and make a fortune on ebay!

TLV wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: 12": AU 1990 (Factory/Festival X14849) + 12": FR 1990 (Virgin 80534) + 12": GR 1990 (Virgin VG2167Z) + 12": SP 1990 (Nuevos Medios 31-512M) + 12": SW 1990 (Factory/MCA FAC 293) + 4:27 World in Motion... 5:51 World in Motion... (the b-side)

I've never heard a 5:51 version of The B-Side... You sure this is the correct timing?

Erhm, it could be that it that says 5:51 on the sleeve/label (not sure where that timing came from). Anyone able to confirm this on the mentioned releases? (I'm miles and miles away from my collection...)

I believe it used to be that the UK 12" was in that bunch as well, but actual measurement of the time concluded that it was the 4:48 version. It's possible that the above releases are identical to the UK one, but until I have more evidence stating that, I will have to go on what's printed on sleeve/label (or what has been in the Discopgraphy previously, it didn't get added by random).

It's interesting then that the UK 7" and 12" are identical track-wise.

As I said... the WiM timing has been confusing ;)

/TLV

The 5:51 timing is probably from the World In Motion website discog - having none of those countries' 12" singles, I can't confirm whether that exists or not, or whether it's just a typo on David's part?

There's also a German 12" single of "World In Motion" (Factory/Rough Trade RTD 076T), which is the "normal" release - i.e. probably similar to the one discussed above, as opposed to RTD 076 RT - i.e. the "Remixes").

Nick King wrote: The 5:51 timing is probably from the World In Motion website discog - having none of those countries' 12" singles, I can't confirm whether that exists or not, or whether it's just a typo on David's part?

There's also a German 12" single of "World In Motion" (Factory/Rough Trade RTD 076T), which is the "normal" release - i.e. probably similar to the one discussed above, as opposed to RTD 076 RT - i.e. the "Remixes").

You'd be amazed how much cross-pollination that has taken place between the discographies throughout the years Anyway, it works both ways... But I don't really think that David listens to each of his acquired items and keeps track of the time.

I have both the SW and GR releases. I may be able to check the sleeve/label next weekend if I remember. My turntable is since long stacked away...

Note taken of the GE WiM. Thanks.

/TLV

I live in the Toronto area so if I see any of the Canadian releases I will pick them up. I know there are always someone here looking for them. It's funny that there was a time where every shop you walked into had the World in Motion.

Cheers!

rekkit wrote: I live in the Toronto area so if I see any of the Canadian releases I will pick them up. I know there are always someone here looking for them. It's funny that there was a time where every shop you walked into had the World in Motion.

Cheers!

That's nice of you, as long as you think of me then first

Here's the correct times (according to Windows Media Player, not the label) on the Canadian CD single:

CD5: CA 1990 (Polygram 846 237-2) 4:31 World in Motion... (single mix) 5:40 World in Motion... (no alla violenza mix) 5:56 World in Motion... (carabinieri mix) 5:09 World in Motion... (subbuteo mix) 5:10 World in Motion... (subbuteo dub) 4:48 World in Motion... (the b-side)

I think the Canadian Blue Monday 1988 CD single had a track exclusively on CD too. The Dub or Instrumental or something? I don't have mine to check anymore.

undertow wrote:

I think the Canadian Blue Monday 1988 CD single had a track exclusively on CD too. The Dub or Instrumental or something? I don't have mine to check anymore.

On my Canadian tape there's a BM dub I never seen anywhere else : BM 1988 (dub version) 7'16.

Hélène's friend wrote:

undertow wrote:

I think the Canadian Blue Monday 1988 CD single had a track exclusively on CD too. The Dub or Instrumental or something? I don't have mine to check anymore.

On my Canadian tape there's a BM dub I never seen anywhere else : BM 1988 (dub version) 7'16.

This one is also on the Canadian cd-maxi and also on the Facdv 73R, mislabelled as Beach Buggy, as well as on the US promo cd... and probably also on some vinyl too

Blue Monday 1988

TLV wrote:

Nick King wrote: The 5:51 timing is probably from the World In Motion website discog - having none of those countries' 12" singles, I can't confirm whether that exists or not, or whether it's just a typo on David's part?

I have both the SW and GR releases. I may be able to check the sleeve/label next weekend if I remember. My turntable is since long stacked away...

I haven't listen to the SW and GR release, but I did check the vinyl and sleeves. No mention of track times. I'd be surprised if they differ from the UK one. The Swedish label usually got the vinyl from UK, slapped on a Swedish label and put it in a Swedish sleeve.

/TLV