Would it be 'Sordid Sentament' or a ultra rare japanese test pressing of 'Low-life'....just interested, cheers.
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None of the above. The rarest and most sought after New Order record is buried at the bottom of my garden with my beloved and sadly departed dog, Barney. The multi-coloured 'Power, Corruption & Lies' is that record, and I believe you'd get at least £200 for it these days.
For me it was the 12 inch Blue Monday, but I got it dirt cheap, so my life's ambition has been fulfilled......now what?
MY EX GIRLFRIEND DESTROYED MY ORDER VINYL COLLECTION WHICH INCLUDED THE QUITE RARE RUN 2..12" AND A WHITE LABEL COPY OF FINE TIME...AS YOU CAN PROBABLY GUESS WE DONT SEE A GREAT DEAL OF EACH OTHER NOW...JUST AS A MATTER OF PERVERSE INTERST HOW MUCH ARE WHITE LABEL VINYLS WORTH??
That totally sucks ... I don't know what I'd do if somebody did that to my collection ... So what did you destroy of hers ?
Originally posted by PAUL TROWELL MY EX GIRLFRIEND DESTROYED MY ORDER VINYL COLLECTION WHICH INCLUDED THE QUITE RARE RUN 2..12" AND A WHITE LABEL COPY OF FINE TIME...AS YOU CAN PROBABLY GUESS WE DONT SEE A GREAT DEAL OF EACH OTHER NOW...JUST AS A MATTER OF PERVERSE INTERST HOW MUCH ARE WHITE LABEL VINYLS WORTH??
What a bitch! 
That's well out of order that is. Completely. Utterly. Absolutely.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned... ;)
Still though what a daft bint, you'd think she'd have simply stolen it then sold it...
Very hard to say, but I remember clearly how proud I was when I got my hands on the Bizarre Love Triangle 12" for the first time, somewhere around 1990.
I knew a DJ who used to work in a club which was closed, and the owner of theclub told him to keep all the records in the DJ booth -- which contained all the disco/club classics you can think of -- and all of those who he already had, he gave them to me.
I still clearly remember the SMOKE scent the 12" had (and still has) because of all these years in a cigarette smoker environment. It was the one and only time where the scent of cigarette smoke put a smile on my face.
Still does.
S.
Originally posted by PAUL TROWELL
...JUST AS A MATTER OF PERVERSE INTERST HOW MUCH ARE WHITE LABEL VINYLS WORTH??
White label pressings only hold their value until the official release hits the shops and even then you'd get no more than £10 for one. That's because they're usually no different from the official release. The only exceptions are when they contain something that does'nt become available anywhere else, an example in New Order's case being the initial white label pressings of Confusion which have a mix which is slightly different to the official release. Your white label of Fine Time is worth around £3 - £4 these days, if that!
Originally posted by Muffy, Karens plaything!! > Originally posted by PAUL TROWELL> > ...JUST AS A MATTER OF PERVERSE INTERST HOW MUCH ARE WHITE LABEL VINYLS WORTH??>
White label pressings only hold their value until the official release hits the shops and even then you'd get no more than £10 for one. That's because they're usually no different from the official release. The only exceptions are when they contain something that does'nt become available anywhere else, an example in New Order's case being the initial white label pressings of Confusion which have a mix which is slightly different to the official release. Your white label of Fine Time is worth around £3 - £4 these days, if that!
THAT MAKES ME FEEL SLIGHTLY BETTER...IF YOU HAD SAID THEY WERE WORTH ALOT OF DOSH....I WOULD HAVE HUNTED HIGH AND LOW FOR THE SILLY COW AND RECLAIMED THE SAME VALUE IN CASH...OR STOLE A FEW THINGS...BUT IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO..ANYWAY THANKS FOR SATISFYING MY CURIOSTY AND EASING MY PAIN...
Originally posted by PAUL TROWELL > Originally posted by Muffy, Karens plaything!!> > > > Originally posted by PAUL TROWELL> > > > ...JUST AS A MATTER OF PERVERSE INTERST HOW MUCH ARE WHITE LABEL VINYLS WORTH??> > >
White label pressings only hold their value until the official release hits the shops and even then you'd get no more than £10 for one. That's because they're usually no different from the official release. The only exceptions are when they contain something that does'nt become available anywhere else, an example in New Order's case being the initial white label pressings of Confusion which have a mix which is slightly different to the official release. Your white label of Fine Time is worth around £3 - £4 these days, if that!
THAT MAKES ME FEEL SLIGHTLY BETTER...IF YOU HAD SAID THEY WERE WORTH ALOT OF DOSH....I WOULD HAVE HUNTED HIGH AND LOW FOR THE SILLY COW AND RECLAIMED THE SAME VALUE IN CASH...OR STOLE A FEW THINGS...BUT IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO..ANYWAY THANKS FOR SATISFYING MY CURIOSTY AND EASING MY PAIN...
the whole thing with values gets me - a white label has to be worth more to the collector than the official relaese as there are less of them, but at the end of the day they are only worth what somebody else is willing to pay
Sticking on the subject of White Label promo's - is there anywhere you can find info on exactly how much they ARE worth? I only have a couple - The dancey tune - where Barney sings "Security" and an old Quando Quango record Love Tempo.
There used to be a site run by one of the regulars at Ceremony which was pretty useful for NewOrder valuations but I think it's offline now.. The best way to get a feel for market values is to check eBay or GEMM.
I have a pretty lengthy list of vinyl wants. For NewOrder, I've got a fair whack so it's more of the really obscure and pricey stuff like the prized NZ red 12" vinyl of the '83 Blue Monday. Or the damned metallic Brotherhood.
For non-NewOrder, I like chasing down crazy stuff that's fun to DJ and sample, like old electro and breaks.. In fact only last weekend I finally picked up a doozy I've been chasing for years- the original Breakdance film soundtrack.. Much sought after, believe it or not.
Other stuff I'd really really like includes early Krafwerk and Orbital vinyl, the original Underworld classics like Rez and Mmm Skyscraper, old skool hiphop, BTB Bug Powder Dust, old Morricone soundtracks, Leftfield remixes, a whole ream of disparate stuff..
If anyone wants to sell/trade, let me know.
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Surely anything by the Stiff Kittens has gotta be a pretty priceless these days!!
(Im sure Hookys got some early demo's in his vault somewhere!!)
also..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=858189074
Originally posted by (IntaDon) Surely anything by the Stiff Kittens has gotta be a pretty priceless these days!! (Im sure Hookys got some early demo's in his vault somewhere!!)also..http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=858189074
Believe me when I tell you there was NO SUCH PRESSING of Movement. This item is a fake!
Originally posted by Muffy, Karens plaything!! > Originally posted by (IntaDon)> Surely anything by the Stiff Kittens has gotta be a pretty priceless these days!! > > (Im sure Hookys got some early demo's in his vault somewhere!!)> > also..> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=858189074
Believe me when I tell you there was NO SUCH PRESSING of Movement. This item is a fake!
lol exposed!!! hehe 
I'd mud wrestle my Grandmother if it meant I could get hold of FACT 300, a cassette of mainly instrumental tracks that eventually became Republic. About 5 were made.
Failing that, I'm still on the look out for a Get Ready advance promo.....
Originally posted by The Death of Art Spells the Murder of Artists does anyone have any idea of the value of a 7" radio only copy of Run2?
Hey D.A.S.M.A.!! , guess what, if you hurry to ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE and make a beeline for SOUNDSEARCH records tucked away in a side street behind the open air market square (behind Icelands), you will find said 7" radio promo (with identical labels to the 12") in a plain white sleeve for £5.00.
I was there last week and snapped up the following: Italian pressing (MINT CONDITION ) of "Procession" 7" in Blue pattern sleeve with inner white bag!! Only £3.00! Two Siouxsie & The Banshees 7"s too - "Arabian Knights" and "Last Beat Of My Heart". I passed on the Run 7" for some godforsaken inexplicable reason because fussy old me felt the white sleeve was not good enough for my tastes. If you're quick it might still be there.....
They've also got a GERMAN 12" of Blue Monday going for only £2.50. Same floppy disc sleeve with thin black inner bag housing the 12" inside. Spotted THREE 12"s or "Round and Round" (original Factory version NOT the Remix 12") each going for £2.50 as well.
This place is a bargain basement goldmine - check it out man!
I myself am still searching for probably the rarest New Order LP format after the Double "Substance" gatefold edition: The limited edition metallic-sleeved Factory issue of "Brotherhood" on Vinyl. Mint condition, need I add...
Fast becoming as rare as Rockinghorse shit I believe...
Sorry to fly in the face of another Glaswegians opinion, but there WERE coloured test pressings of "Movement" and a a whole host of other albums/singles - mainly originating from the Rough Trade Deutschland stable in the early to mid eighties. The Fact (sic) that the multi coloured pressing of "Movement" was probably not tried out until several years after its' initial release is neither here nor there; it most probably IS genuine...
i want fac 2! i want fact 400! those are my two one i want,
i have metallic brotherhood not in mint i have the onion skin low life i have all those boxed cassettes fact200c,etc
write me if u want
Originally posted by Steven Brotherdale Sorry to fly in the face of another Glaswegians opinion, but there WERE coloured test pressings of "Movement" and a a whole host of other albums/singles - mainly originating from the Rough Trade Deutschland stable in the early to mid eighties. The Fact (sic) that the multi coloured pressing of "Movement" was probably not tried out until several years after its' initial release is neither here nor there; it most probably IS genuine...
The plot thickens...
Originally posted by Steven Brotherdale Sorry to fly in the face of another Glaswegians opinion, but there WERE coloured test pressings of "Movement" and a a whole host of other albums/singles - mainly originating from the Rough Trade Deutschland stable in the early to mid eighties. The Fact (sic) that the multi coloured pressing of "Movement" was probably not tried out until several years after its' initial release is neither here nor there; it most probably IS genuine...
I always thought the coloured pressings of Movement were one colour affairs not multi-coloured. I've seen blue, red, and green ones over the years. I'll bow to your superior knowledge on this one Steven, judging by your profile photo that would probably be wise, and will now probably bid on the item. Thanks for the info. 
i managed to find EVERYTHINGS GONE GREEN C.D on factory BENELUX, at a flea market in france whilst on holiday. i dont think its worth owt but i was well chuffed for a quid!!!
Originally posted by Oh Look! There Goes The Laughing Martian Again!! I myself am still searching for probably the rarest New Order LP format after the Double "Substance" gatefold edition:The limited edition metallic-sleeved Factory issue of "Brotherhood" on Vinyl.Mint condition, need I add...Fast becoming as rare as Rockinghorse shit I believe...
still after that myself, heard it was available on cd in the limited sleeve too - anyone confirm that?
also like the car carry cases of the early new order cd's
thanks to whomever it was who mentioned the gemm site - had forgotten about that one...
I love my true faith 94 DJ promo with the question mark cut out of the front... my best thing is the 1963 12" white box or maybe the best of slide puzzle... or my Spanish procession 7"...
Never found a copy of Run yet...
I have the gatefold "substance" - the metallic "brotherhood" - the perspex imperial ruler - the "best of" chocolate box - the flicker book - various christmas cards - signed saville artwork - joy division & new order test pressings - umpteen versions of "get ready" and more recently a veritable skip full of promos for "crystal", "60 mph", "someone like you" & "here to stay". I DID have the original acetate for "digital" but sold it when I was short on my mortgage about 5 years ago - a mistake really but it went to a good home...
It was brought to my attentiopn recently that fans are being charged what I would describe as almost fraudulent prices for what are being advertised as CDR "acetates" - these are no more than the initial silver CDR promos that exist in the week before the "production" promos arrive from the pressing plant.
Esprit need to watch themselves as they have already been caught out flogging bootlegs advertised as radio edits on more than one occasion. You have been warned...
How much would a copy of Sordide Sentimentale fetch these days?
I remember reading in record collector ages ago or somewhere that it could be in the region of about £1,000 - is this true?
A mate of mine has a Polish 7" of Blue Monday in coloured vinyl but I have no idea whether its rare or worth anything.
£200 - £250 for SS Atmosphere or as suggested on many prior occasions, as much as you're willing to pay. I know one dealer in England who turns up at the Glasgow SECC fair every year with the same copy still priced at £190. Maybe this year I'll take the bait...
There are fantastic bootlegs of this now appearing - coming from Japan & Germany so look out for more obvious errors in the cheaper fakes. Find a good source for the original and take as much information with you on any bargain hunt. John Frye has a good original pressing and may be able to help out on this one. Check the weight of the vinyly and the cat numbers in the run out grooves etc., areas that are difficult to emulate perfectly - even for the professional bootleggers. Remember that it costs alot to produce a vinyl "fake" these days. Having said that, pro-boots of the infamous Sex Pistols' "God Save The Queen" on the A&M label are bordering on perfect and have in the past fooled many so called experts.
Originally posted by dave hibell > > > thanks to whomever it was who mentioned the gemm site - had forgotten about that one...> >
It was me. Everyone waxes on about eBay, but I've picked up some rare stuff on GEMM over the past year or two.
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Originally posted by Steven Brotherdale I have the gatefold "substance" - the metallic "brotherhood" - the perspex imperial ruler - the "best of" chocolate box - the flicker book - various christmas cards - signed saville artwork - joy division & new order test pressings - umpteen versions of "get ready" and more recently a veritable skip full of promos for "crystal", "60 mph", "someone like you" & "here to stay". I DID have the original acetate for "digital" but sold it when I was short on my mortgage about 5 years ago - a mistake really but it went to a good home...
I'm fortunate to have some of this stuff also, and the Gatefold Substance really is a showcase piece. I have an original 12" acetate for Thieves Like Us which, erm, smells.. And never gets a spin!
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I'm still hot on the trail for the first four studio albums on cassette - albeit mistakenly mastered BACKWARDS - just so I can then listen to them properly to seek out all the secret subliminal messages that have reportedly been slipped into these versions only (that is, NOT meaning the vinyl versions....).... This I actually read somewhere as absolutely genuine....
Originally posted by depthcharge It was me. Everyone waxes on about eBay, but I've picked up some rare stuff on GEMM over the past year or two.:\pimp2:
And what would be the full url for that site then Monseuir Charge?
ALL I NEED NOW TO COMPLETE MY 'J-D' COLLECTION IS THE 7" OF 'AN IDEAL FOR LIVING' [ I'VE LET IT SLIP THRU MY HANDS ON NUMERUS OCCASIONS] MUST BE PUSHING £2OO MARK,I MANAGED TO PICKED UP 2-COPIES OF 'S S' FOR £110,FIFTEEN YEARS AGO AT A RECORD FAIR IN OXFORD[BOTH IN V.GOOD CONDITION] SO £500 FOR THE PAIR AINT A BAD INVESTMENT [NOT THAT I WOULD SELL THEM].
Originally posted by Clive > Originally posted by depthcharge> It was me. Everyone waxes on about eBay, but I've picked up some rare stuff on GEMM over the past year or two.> > > :\pimp2:
And what would be the full url for that site then Monseuir Charge?
would you believe www.gemm.com?
new order are in top ten most searched for!
Originally posted by dave hibell > Originally posted by Clive> > > > Originally posted by depthcharge> > It was me. Everyone waxes on about eBay, but I've picked up some rare stuff on GEMM over the past year or two.> > > > > > :\pimp2:>
And what would be the full url for that site then Monseuir Charge?
would you believe www.gemm.com?
new order are in top ten most searched for!
Well you'd have thought so wouldn't you! I keep trying that, but just get some weird server error.
The original gold/bronze sleeved "Ceremony" 7" is worth about £4 and as such barely justifies inclusion in the rare record stakes when you consider that an acetate of "Only the Lonely" might cost you £500 or that the master plates of "Blue Monday" might go for nearer £1000...
That GEMM site is a potential minefield for amateurs who have a desire to throw away their hard earned cash on over priced bootlegs & fake "radio" promos etc. Read the descriptions of the items very carefully before parting with your credit card number...
Who the hell is this Johnny-come-lately Clive character and how did he reach 390 posts so fast?
A canny old dog like... erm, Old Blue would've known Gemm like the back of his hand.
Works like a charm!
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Can someone explain to me what an 'acetate' is?
I use acetates for slide presentations but what is it in relation to a record?
An acetate - in relation to vinyl records that is - is a 7, 10 or 12" aluminium disc treated with a temporary wax/acetate coating that then carries the first test pressing from a records master plates. It is then used to check the quality of the pressing and clarity of the mix. Generally, an acetate will be played once or twice only. Any further use will rapidly damage and very quickly destroy the sound on the disc. Recently, dealers have been referring to CDR acetates alot in their sales pitches - watch that one as there is really no such thing as a CD "acetate" - A gold master CD is something quite different and WOULD be very desireable. Silver CDR promos are NOT master CDRs or "acetate" copies.
I'M NOT TOTALLY CONVINCED WITH [GEMM] THERE'S ALOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS WITH THE SAME NAME? I THINK I'LL BUY 'RECORD COLLECTOR' AND DO MY PRICING FROM THERE. P.S HAS ANY-ONE GOT A 'JOY DIVISION' VIYNIL PRICE GUIDE[RECENT] PLEASE.
A definitive New Order and Joy Division price guide was published in 'Record Collector' at the pinnacle of New Order's popularity (approx. 1989/1990). Herein lists all JD and NO material with applicable and relevant prices. If you wished I could e-mail this to you at a cost of 50 pebbles. Or alternativley I could just e-mail it to you for free. Post 1990 New Order became members of the ubiquitous 'CD world' - halting the mass pressing of vinyl, such a shame, and surely you would hopefully agree with me that no CD is really 'rare'.
Being a collector of both bands most notable rare material (and usual pressings) for many years I can honestly say that I have never before, nor since, come across such an accurate and defining list. It is worth having even if it is from 1990.
The Record Collector list is indeed a good one. Not quite as good, but maybe still worth a look is: Recordmaster.com
Originally posted by Pigs Trotter A definitive New Order and Joy Division price guide was published in 'Record Collector' at the pinnacle of New Order's popularity (approx. 1989/1990). Herein lists all JD and NO material with applicable and relevant prices. If you wished I could e-mail this to you at a cost of 50 pebbles. Or alternativley I could just e-mail it to you for free. Post 1990 New Order became members of the ubiquitous 'CD world' - halting the mass pressing of vinyl, such a shame, and surely you would hopefully agree with me that no CD is really 'rare'.Being a collector of both bands most notable rare material (and usual pressings) for many years I can honestly say that I have never before, nor since, come across such an accurate and defining list. It is worth having even if it is from 1990.
This Pig's Trotter seems awfully familiar...
From which sty do you herald?
And how do we go about contacting you for a copy of the aforementioned price guide? And do you accept gravel?
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Originally posted by Kezzie Anyone know if the Buzzcocks 'Spiral Scratch' EP is worth owt? :)
well if it is an original an in mint condition then yes but its been re-issued so many time so you should check.
Originally posted by Ian Pillar > Originally posted by Kezzie> Anyone know if the Buzzcocks 'Spiral Scratch' EP is worth owt? :)
well if it is an original an in mint condition then yes but its been re-issued so many time so you should check.
Ta, Ian. It is indeed an original. I inherited it along with a load of other singles from my very generous uncle when he decided to get rid of all his vinyl (was going through a messy divorce, went a bit mad). Vinyl's in good condition although the cover is a little crumpled around the edges. Do not intend to get rid of it whatsoever (unlike my mad uncle, I'm a hoarder), but have often wondered if it was worth owt :)
Originally posted by Clive > Originally posted by depthcharge> > Hello... Pig's Trotter?
Check yer e-mail, skippy.
A big-ass thanks for that mail, Old Blue.
I hereby officially retract all of those lame remarks I made about your beige pullover, your penchant for the glasshouse and your tennis court prowess.
Cheers!
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Since when is off-brown beige anyhow? ;)
Originally posted by Kezzie > Originally posted by Ian Pillar> > > > Originally posted by Kezzie> > Anyone know if the Buzzcocks 'Spiral Scratch' EP is worth owt? :)>
well if it is an original an in mint condition then yes but its been re-issued so many time so you should check.
Ta, Ian. It is indeed an original. I inherited it along with a load of other singles from my very generous uncle when he decided to get rid of all his vinyl (was going through a messy divorce, went a bit mad). Vinyl's in good condition although the cover is a little crumpled around the edges. Do not intend to get rid of it whatsoever (unlike my mad uncle, I'm a hoarder), but have often wondered if it was worth owt :)
if it says "featuring howard devoto" on it its a reissue, i,ve got an original dont know what its worth though, its like owt , its only worth what somebody else will pay for it,
